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Steven Welborn Member Posts: 666 |
posted 25 April 2000 10:48 PM
P/P brethren...when I more or less switched from all pull and therefore gave up split tuning, I gave up the G#-F# change (opted for G#-G). I'm going to reclaim the G#-F# change on pedal 4. I think it should work dandy there. Maybe better, as feet can express more ways than knees. Maybe I'd prefer the Franklin change instead, I don't know, but I sure miss that single wholetone lower. Anyway... a question for push/pullaholics: How have you managed to get that or other neat changes that split toonies get? |
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Ernie Renn Member Posts: 2657 |
posted 26 April 2000 04:24 AM
Steven; The way I added the split changes on a '77 Emmons PP, was to get a Crawford Cluster put on. It ended up being a 9x9. I traded it in to get a new Legrande when they first came out. In hindsight, I should have kept it. (What else is new?) BTW: You CAN get split tuning on a push-pull! It takes a little extra doing, but it can be done. You have to thread the end of lower rod and put on a half tone tuner. So the rod goes thru and pushes the raise finger back. You tune it with the half tone tuner. I believe Sonny Garrish had a split on his PP. ------------------ |
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Curry Coster Member Posts: 83 |
posted 26 April 2000 04:43 AM
Ernie- Hi. Do you have a drawing or anything about how to install the split you were talking about? I think that would be great to have on my '67. I used to have a split on my LeGrande, but I sold that guitar when I got this P/P. Thanx, Curry |
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C Dixon Member Posts: 5912 |
posted 26 April 2000 05:48 AM
Buddy Emmons had a P-P with splits all over it. In fact, a picture was posted on the forum a year or so ago. I don't recall who posted the picture. It does require quite a bit of engineering. For most of us, there is a unigue and simple thing that can be done on a P-P, NOT possible on an all pull. Here is an example: Put the G# to F# lower on say RKL. Then install, on the A pedal, a bellcrank in line with the 6th string. Install in this bellcrank an Emmons type "half-tone tuner". Then put a raise rod (with collar), in this tuner. Attach the other end to the "raise" finger of the 6th string. Now engage the A pedal and the knee lever lowering the 6th string from a G# to an F#. And reach under the guitar and tune this half tone tuner to keep the 6th string from going below a G note. While it will not permit the split to G creating an open E minor chord, it DOES allow a G note if the A pedal is down. So one can have that pretty A7th. IE, E, C# and G on strings 4, 5 and 6. Combined with the F lever (raising the E's) or E lever (lowering the E's), some pretty 9th chords and different inversion of a 7th chord is possible. Try it. You may like it. Also, you can do this. Take the 4th pedal and install a bell crank so as to pull the 6th string. Again install a half tone tuner in it. Now combine that pedal with the knee lever lowering the 6th string from a G# to an F#. Tune the half tone tuner so as to have a G note on the 6th string. You now have a E minor chord if the 4th pedal and knee lever are engaged. So while you cannot have the typical split doing it this way, it does come close. So you can have the G# to F# change AND have the G note too. What you cannot have this way is the split with the B pedal as "all-pulls" can do, without doing it the way the other posters suggested. If you have any questions, feel free to call me at 770-448-8455. I have done the above, and I wil be happy to help you. God bless all of you always, carl |
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Ernie Renn Member Posts: 2657 |
posted 26 April 2000 06:21 AM
Curry; Sorry, but, no I don't. I talked with Ron Lashley several times on the subject. I reread my post and you DON'T have to thread the rod. I think you have to put a collar on the rod and then put the half-tone-tuner in backwards to butt up against the lowering finger. Go to the: Push-Pull Changer Diagram on the Carter website and look at what I'm trying to get across. The rod has to go thru the lowering finger to push on the raise finger. Carl; The pictures of Buddy's split tuning push-pull guitar are on: THIS PAGE. ------------------ [This message was edited by Ernie Renn on 26 April 2000 at 06:25 AM.] |
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Curry Coster Member Posts: 83 |
posted 26 April 2000 07:44 AM
Thanks, Ernie--I'll give it a try and let you know how it works out. Curry |
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Bill cole Member Posts: 694 |
posted 26 April 2000 08:06 AM
If you get hold of Jimmy Crawford in Nashville he knows every thing there is to know about the Emmons Push Pull |
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