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dixieflyer unregistered Posts: 79 |
posted 26 July 2000 08:30 PM
"luxury liner" and "elite hotel" are two of my favorites. Hank Devito and Albert Lee worked together like magic on Luxury Liner. Listen to the interplay on "Tulsa Queen" |
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Pat Jenkins Member Posts: 643 |
posted 27 July 2000 10:06 AM
Just got Emmy Lou's box set...some awfully nice stuff...had a chance to see Emmy Lou several times when the Hot Band was still in-tact...Steve Fishel and Frank Reckard were two of my favorites...was a real disappointment when she switched to the bluegrass band...Pat |
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Bob Carlson Member Posts: 1063 |
posted 27 July 2000 11:41 AM
I keep telling everyone how great Albert Lee Is and that he Is deserving of playing on the same stage as Buddy Emmons. Guitar Player Magazine always has a plastic record in it of someone playing something different and really great.(They used to anyway.)I still have one dated October 1987 of Albert playing "Fun Ranch Frolics".And It Is something else.The B string Bender wasn't real big yet and not many players used It,but Albert did and at the end of the record he explained how he did It all. I have It on a CD also but I can't put my hands on It right now .Now all 10,000 guitar pickers in Nashville sound like Albert Lee.I'm not really sticking my neck out to far when I say that because If they deny It, I'll play the record for them.But I guess we've all copyed somebody. Bob Carlson. I have about all of Emmylou's LP's and a CD of her Greatest's Hits, and her Hot Band was "HOT".I think that Is part of the reason I have about all of Emmylou's LP's...... ------------------ ? [This message was edited by Bob Carlson on 27 July 2000 at 11:46 AM.] [This message was edited by Bob Carlson on 27 July 2000 at 11:55 AM.] |
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dixieflyer unregistered Posts: 1063 |
posted 27 July 2000 01:28 PM
Bob, Albert is always so tasteful...Always says what needs to be said, and nothing more Robby Thomas |
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Jonathan Gregg Member Posts: 178 |
posted 27 July 2000 01:40 PM
That band was everything rockin' country could ever be. My roommate for a while was Frank Reckard's brother, but with all due respect, that almost-original band (after Albert replaced James Burton) was unsurpassed. Ricky Skaggs, DeVito, Rodney Crowell, Albert... man, I saw that band about six times in the summer of '76 and I couldn't get enough. I actually shook Albert's hand at one of his very first gigs with the band; they didn't even do "Luxury Liner" yet, but when the album come out I wore it out copping Albert's licks on that tune. I didn't get that classic one where he parses out the E9 chord until about a year later. I understand that one of his first gigs in the States was with Buddy Emmons. I'd love to catch the Everlys with them both. Anyone know if they're coming east? |
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Lefty Member Posts: 742 |
posted 27 July 2000 06:18 PM
I am an old fan of hers. I think that the Albert Lee, Hank DeVito years, and James Burton years were some of her best. I saw them every time in town. I think Frank Reckard was excellent also. She always has a great band. The Nash Ramblers were unreal, what a lineup. I saw her when an unknown band named "Alabama" opened for her, and did a cover of "Green River" by CCR, just before their first hit. The Ballad of Sally Rose tour was excellent also. Hope to see her many more times. |
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Bob Carlson Member Posts: 1063 |
posted 27 July 2000 08:09 PM
"The Ballad Of Sally Rose" Is a true story of her birth and early years up to Gram Parsons, and that she had still not got over him.He was into the stuff real bad and she left calif.She was flying back while he was out in the desert dying. He had always said he wanted to be cremated but his parents would not allow It. His body mysteriously disappeared from the Funeral Home one night and It Is believed that his wishes were carried out.I have the book of Gram's Life and It's Interesting. Bob Carlson. If you are an Emmylou fan you need to buy,beg, or borrow the LP Sally Rose and not only listen to every word of every song,but also read every word of the linner notes. ------------------ [This message was edited by Bob Carlson on 27 July 2000 at 08:12 PM.] |
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Al Moss Member Posts: 170 |
posted 28 July 2000 09:20 AM
The Gram Parsons biography authored by Ben Fong Torres is really quite comprehensive and an excellent detailing of the development of his music and the connection with Emmy Lou. The newest "Gram" disc is a project called the Gram Parsons Notebook, (presently only available for order on the net), which was completed from a journal,notebook of lyrics that secretly remained untouched for some twenty years. This disc is pretty darn good. Excellent players and singing. Al Perkins is presented in liberal doses and his playing is simply so great. |
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Lefty Member Posts: 742 |
posted 28 July 2000 03:50 PM
The "Ballad of Sally Rose" concert was one her best I have seen. I saw it at a small venue called "the Moonshadow Saloon" about the size of a school cafeteria, with a great sound system. The show was quite a production. She wore the Sally Rose outfit from the album cover, and played the black Gibson J-200 with the rose on it, which was new at the time. She had had Mary-Ann Kennedy and Pam Rose singing back-up for her. She came out and did the entire Sally Rose album, took a break, and then came out and did an hour and a half of old songs. Great show. The CD is hard to find. I have the album, and several programs from the show. I have been unable to find the "Return of the Grievious Angel" in stores as of yet. |
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chris ivey Member Posts: 1105 |
posted 28 July 2000 04:04 PM
i've seen many emmylou concerts as my friend wayne goodwin played fiddle and sax in the later years with her....but no band ever turned me on as much as the first time i saw james burton, ricky scaggs, rodney crowell, hank de vito, emory gordy, glen d. hardin, ron tutt(sp.?), and emmylou doing their thing.....my god!!! |
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Bob Carlson Member Posts: 1063 |
posted 31 July 2000 12:31 PM
Lefty: You'll most lickly have to get it from Sierra Records.That,s where I've got all my Gram and Emmylou CD's. Sierra Records "That's All It Took" was the first song they sang togather,and Gram was hooked.Also there's a good chance "Country Baptizing" was the first song Emmylou sang solo on a recording.My favorite Gram & Emmylou song is "Drug Store Truck Drivin Man".Good luck, ------------------ |
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wayne yakes md Member Posts: 650 |
posted 01 August 2000 08:02 AM
I would like to see Albert Lee with the twin steels of Hank Devito and Neil Flanz rippin' it up with Emmy Lou! |
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Bob Carlson Member Posts: 1063 |
posted 01 August 2000 10:10 AM
Did you know James Burton's first big break came when he played with Ricky Nelson on the Ozzie and Harriet show? Bob Carlson ------------------ |
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Lefty Member Posts: 742 |
posted 01 August 2000 05:03 PM
Thanks Bob Carlson. I believe Sierra is the label that "Muleskinner" album I got with Peter Rowan and Clerence White is on. I found a web site for "High Sierra", but I don't know if it is the same. I think the first album Emmylou sang on was that "Guilded Bird" obscure album (solo) were she sang some cover folk songs. I saw it in the Salavation Army store one time, and did not buy it ($1.00), to this day I don't know why. She does not speak very highly of that album, though, but I would still like to here it. I have the live radio broadcast on record with "Country Baptizing", I need that CD. Hey Bob, the $100.00 question is what guitar did James Burton play on the first Ozzie and Harriet, the red Tele? I believe it was a Gretsch 6120. |
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dixieflyer unregistered Posts: 742 |
posted 01 August 2000 06:37 PM
Yeah Bob, from my understanding, his first signature lick (james burton) was "hello mary lou" Robby |
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Jon Light Member Posts: 6528 |
posted 01 August 2000 06:48 PM
Hey guys--I'm not at all knowledgeable about Emmylou's discography or the Hot Bands. I have a tape copy of a live album that includes -Moving on -It's not love but it's not bad -Grievous angel -Restless etc...... -Devil in disguise -Buckaroo .....among other stuff. Can you give me an idea of the date and the personnel? I've wondered for the longest time. |
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Steve Feldman Member Posts: 2983 |
posted 01 August 2000 07:54 PM
quote: I thought that both Jas. Burton and Glen Hardin played with Elvis (the King). Was that before Ozzie and Harry? [This message was edited by Steve Feldman on 01 August 2000 at 07:55 PM.] |
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Michael T. Hermsmeyer Member Posts: 341 |
posted 02 August 2000 02:00 AM
Lefty, James Burton played many guitars on the Ozzie and Harriet show including the red tele. The band also endorsed Rickenbacker instruments during the show's running. Somewhere, I have a picture of James playing a Rickenbacker steel on the show. Where's my hundred dollars? Ha Ha! Did you also know that the Jordinaires did all of the backup vocals behind Ricky Nelson, and that the guys just lipsync'd to the music? Steve, James Burton left Emmylou's Hot Band in the mid 70's ('75 I think) to join Elvis' touring band and worked with the King until Elvis died in '77. You can see him play his pink paisley tele on Elvis' "Aloha from Hawaii" concert. By the way, Emmylou is one of my all-time favorite country artists, and everyone that has ever worked for her over the years (Hot Band or Nash Ramblers) deserves the term "Hot" as far as I am concerned. But, Albert Lee sure did put his unique signature on a lot of her music. He truly is one of the best "country" guitar pickers that will ever live, as is James Burton. ------------------ [This message was edited by Michael T. Hermsmeyer on 02 August 2000 at 02:11 AM.] |
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Al Moss Member Posts: 170 |
posted 02 August 2000 09:51 AM
In response to Jon's question about his identity free Emmy Lou tape. It sounds like you have a copy of the live record which was called "Last Date"(1982) and has been only recently reissued on Emminent Records.-same label that put out Emmy Lou's newer live one, "Spyboy". The Hot Band on this record is Steve Fishell- pedal steel and dobro, Frank Reckard-elec. gtr., Barry Tashian singing harmonies and acoustic gtr., John Ware - drums, Mike Bowden- bass, Wayne Goodwin- Fiddle and stuff, and Don Johnson -keys. The "Zelig" of cool country, Phil Kaufman is also credited as "Road Manager Deluxe". A really nice record and an Emmy Lou/Gram duet is revisited here with "We'll Sweep Out the Ashes (in the morning)". |
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Patrick Smith Member Posts: 747 |
posted 02 August 2000 10:27 AM
Michael, Actually, and I may be mistaken, but I think James was with Elvis, as bandleader and guitar player, from the time Elvis resumed playing live shortly after the comeback special until his death. I believe Emmylou actually scheduled tours around Elvis' tour schedule to allow James to do both. I've known James since about '91 or so when he and Louise moved back to Shreveport, next time I see him I'll ask him, but I'm pretty sure that's accurate. PMS PS-BTW James is STILL pickin' his @$$ off!...and it ain't all chicken' Pickin' |
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RickRichtmyer Member Posts: 2522 |
posted 02 August 2000 10:43 AM
I was fortunate enough to see Emmylou perform live about once a week for about a years of so at a club in Bethesda, MD called "The Red Fox." This was around '73 or '74. At that time her band was called "The Angel Band" and consisted of Danny Pendelton - Steel Guitar (He played on the Starland Vocal Band's Afternoon Delight, Bruce Archer - guitar, Tom Guidera - bass, and Mark Cuff - drums. That group played on two cuts on her Pieces of the Sky album. The first time I heard her live after she had hit the big time, Albert Lee had just replaced James Burton on guitar. There were two shows at the Warner Theater in DC that night and the first was aired live on WHFS radio (I have a copy of that show. It was great!). I was listening to the show on the way to the theater and I recall thinking how absolutely incredible JB sounded. I always greatly admired his playing, but I couldn't recall ever hearing him play such hot licks. Of course when she finally introduced the band and said that the guitar player was Albert Lee, that sort of explained why it was so hot. I'd never heard of Albert before that and during the show that I saw, I was mesmerized. He was an awesome player and still is. I still kind of wish I'd seen her with James Burton, though. Maybe both. ------------------ |
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Jon Light Member Posts: 6528 |
posted 02 August 2000 01:37 PM
Al Moss--thank you kindly for the info. |
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Bob Carlson Member Posts: 1063 |
posted 02 August 2000 02:01 PM
Steve Feldman, That’s been a long time ago. I think,,,, Ozzie and Harriet was waaaaaay before Elvis. Also I think James Burton was the first string bender, before ------------------ |
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Lefty Member Posts: 742 |
posted 02 August 2000 03:47 PM
Micheal T. : I believe the key word was "first" Ozzie and Harriet" show. I have a picture decribed as Ricky's singing debut on the show, and James is pickin a 6120 (if this is correct), so no $100.00, bud. This "Last Date" has just been re-released on CD, I have the album, but will buy the CD this weekend, a great album. I read back when Albert was playing with here her would take off on a solo, and she would shout "Look at that caveman go", and go he would. |
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dixieflyer unregistered Posts: 742 |
posted 02 August 2000 07:21 PM
THATS RIGHT BOB, James encouraged Clarence White play tele. years before Clarence and Gene parsons came up with the B-Bender. There has been an ongoing dispute about Merle Haggards "mama tried" and who played the lick. Many say it was Roy Nichols but i still say it was James Burton |
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Jim Smith Member Posts: 6399 |
posted 02 August 2000 07:49 PM
I thought I heard that Phil Baugh played those rides. |
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Bob Carlson Member Posts: 1063 |
posted 02 August 2000 09:41 PM
dixieflyer, I read an article in Country Music Mag (20 Questions) and I won’t swear to it but I feel quite sure he said he played on Hag’s first recordings.And I'd bet a nickel that's Burton on "Mama Tried" Also that’s where I read about the small banjo strings on the bottom three. Don't have time now, but later I'll tell you how Gene and Clarence came up with the idea for the B Bender. Bob Carlson ------------------ [This message was edited by Bob Carlson on 02 August 2000 at 10:01 PM.] [This message was edited by Bob Carlson on 02 August 2000 at 10:05 PM.] |
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Brian Herder Member Posts: 194 |
posted 02 August 2000 10:00 PM
For the record -"Tulsa Queen" is James Burton...the Tele he used on Ozzie and Harriet was an early black gaurd, repainted red (pickgaurd and all, I believe). He was shown with a Rickenbacker Capri from time to time on the show, and also the Grestch 6120 (and a Fender Jazzmaster in the Travelin Man segment), but maintains that he only used the Tele for recording etc...tho' I have a picture of a Ricky Nelson concert from the late 50s and he is playing the Capri...and the steel was shown in a promotional photo, but never used on the TV show...his first big break was the Louisiana Hayride at 14yo (he started playing at 13, joined Ricky Nelsons band at 17) and his first signature lick was Suzy Q by Dale Hawkins...and he started in Elvis' band in 69 at the Riviera in Vegas for the live "comeback", and played in The Hot Band simultaneously...until he left because of conflicting schedules (I think)...checks are fine, but I would prefer cash... |
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dixieflyer unregistered Posts: 194 |
posted 03 August 2000 10:14 AM
Brian, Im sorry buddy, but i say its Albert... You can tell by the way he twins Hank on steel. Thats his b-bender work up and down. |
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dixieflyer unregistered Posts: 194 |
posted 03 August 2000 10:19 AM
Bob, The story i heard goes... Clarence and Gene are in the studio and Clarence was playin and mentioned he wished he had a third hand to bend behind the nut. |
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wayne yakes md Member Posts: 650 |
posted 03 August 2000 11:07 AM
Emmy Lou got launched playing with Gram Parsons and th Fallen Angels. That live CD from 1973 has Neil Flanz on Steel and playing loud and proud! Emmy Lou sings "Country Baptizing" on that CD. Being that she was a "Fallen Angel" with Gram, she probably formed the "Angels" for her band! |
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wayne yakes md Member Posts: 650 |
posted 03 August 2000 11:12 AM
As far as the greatest guitar player of all time, you have to go along way to get past Ken "Thumbs" Carllile(remember when he would get standing "O's" from the crowd at Scotty's Convention and Emmons would say from the mic,"Truly amazing!"), Lenny Breau, Hank Garland, and Leon Rhodes! |
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Brook Langton Member Posts: 13 |
posted 03 August 2000 11:38 AM
I'm not sure about this, but it's one of the rumors I've heard through the years. Someone told me that Ricky Nelson lost James Burton in a tag football game. By the way, my former bandmate, Bob Woodruff, had Burton play on both his solo albums (it's great stuff). |
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Bob Ruggeri Member Posts: 25 |
posted 03 August 2000 03:11 PM
This is a great thread. James and Clarence are my heros; I always considered Albert Lee, as grat as he is, a protege of James's. Albert Lee's first band, I believe, in the States was Heads, Hands, and Feet, an interesting rock outfit. A friend saw them in NYC in early 70's and said that they were real different but very good musicians. Albert played guitar and piano.... I saw Emmylou and the Hot Band many, many times in the North East in the mid-70's. I saw one of Albert Lee's first gigs with the band, in Albany New York at the Palace Theater. We were all dying to see James again, but it was announced that Albert Lee was filling in for him since "James has bronchitis..." Albert was fine, but was just beginning to get the hang of copping James licks for the gigs. During an encore EmmyLou did "Shop Around" and Albert, who seemed like more of an R&B player then, started to take off. As for James, the next issue of Rolling Stone had a full page review of Elvis in St. Louis as the featured concert of the month. The show was the same night as the Emmylou Albany concert. Elvis simply tore the place up, according to the review which also said that James Burton floored the crowd with "glass-etching solos". I guess he got over the bronchitis all right. James was always so tasteful. I saw an Emmy Lou show in Saratoga where Bob Warford sat in with James - that was a lot of Fender bending that night! (What ever happened to Bob Warford? Someone told me that he was a brilliant guy who had a PhD and was some scientist at Vanderbilt. Another awesome player.) As for Clarence: there was innovation, technique, and excitement. The way I heard the story of the birth of the string bender, according to Gene Parsons, was Clarence said to him during a Byrds session that he wished he had a pedal steel (!) to do one string bend. That led to their development of the bender. Yes, Marty Stuart said that his life changed when he heard Clarence on "One Hundred Years from Now." Marty owns Clarence's Tele with the bender; you'll see it on TV every so often. As much as I love Marty, I don't hear much Clarence out of it. Tony Rice has Clarence's accoustic Martin. |
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Al Moss Member Posts: 170 |
posted 03 August 2000 06:17 PM
I beg to differ on the national origin of Head Hands and Feet. This was actually a British band with three albums to its credit between 1970 and '73. The first and second, "Head Hands and Feet" and "Tracks" were on Capitol and the third, "Old Soldiers Never Die", on Atlantic. Also, I seem to recall that Albert credits as a major influence the playing of Jimmy Bryant, Bryant's over the top wackiness is pretty apparent in Lee's playing. It is difficult then to omit the importance of other great players formative to Albert's vocabulary such as; Denny Wright (gtr.w/Lonnie Donnegan), Cliff Gallup, Scotty Moore, Johnny Burnette, Chet Atkins, and of course Hank Garland. And finally, I think that when Albert came to the States, he came first to L.A., super sideman but band free, and had a connection with one of the Everly's (Don?) with a regular night at the Palomino Club. |
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Lefty Member Posts: 742 |
posted 03 August 2000 06:32 PM
Sorry Dixie flyer, but I believe Brian is correct about Tulsa Queen, it was James Burton, he get credits on the album. But Brian I believe every picture I saw of the red Tele it had a white pickguard, maybe replacment. No money for you. |
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Brian Herder Member Posts: 194 |
posted 03 August 2000 09:22 PM
Lefty, I think the Tele you are speaking of.. is the mid 60s red maple cap- the one on the cover of "Corn Pickin' and Slick Slidin' " - the instrumental lp he did with Ralph Mooney (Ralph is pictured with a Fender 800 with the Jazzmaster style pick ups)-James is also pictured with Rick Nelson around '67 playing a red Tele with an early Strat neck...but the Ozzie and Harriet guitar was a 52 or 53 "black gaurd" painted in a Caddy red I believe..pick gaurd and all ( the guitar looks strange on the b&w shows).. " Tulsa Queen " is a great example of James Burton's 70s era palying....all fingers, taste and talent. |
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Bob Carlson Member Posts: 1063 |
posted 03 August 2000 09:33 PM
Like I said on another reply.Opinions are like Belly Buttons.We all have one.But this one is getting to deep for me.To many people saying to many things they can't back up. Bob Carlson ------------------ |
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John McConnell Member Posts: 87 |
posted 03 August 2000 09:46 PM
I was lucky enough to see the original Hot Band at the Boarding House in San Francisco around the end of 1975 I think. James Burton and Glen D Hardin were unbelievable as were the rest of the band. Emory Gordy, Hank DiVito John Ware and Rodney crowell. Still one of the best shows I have ever seen. Great band and great venue. I was playing with the late Artie Sparer at the time and we were all his guest at the show. Great Great Great John McConnell, Yuba City, CA |
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Dan Tyack Member Posts: 3552 |
posted 04 August 2000 02:33 AM
My personal favorite Emmylou recording was her first, with Burton, and Ben Keith on steel. Especially that song Too Far Gone and the Beatles cover (here there and everywhere?) with Amos Garrett on guitar. Speaking of James Burton......Is anybody out here as crazy about his dobro playing as I am? I love what he did on that Merle Haggard Jimmy Rogers tribute album. ------------------ |
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