posted 28 January 2001 07:46 AM         

I did notice that a Paul Franklin tape (no tab)is available on Ebay. Any comments on that tape?

posted 28 January 2001 11:00 AM         

I don't seem to use them too much unless I'm trying to do a minor chord 2 frets back from the open position. However, it always is a bit of a revelation when someone shows me (though the tablature page) how to use the BC pedals in a way that I hadn't considered before.

Sorry to climb on board here, Stan, but maybe we could get ideas for instructional material here as well as some direct ideas for all of y'all.

posted 29 January 2001 09:04 AM         

1____C______________F__________________
2______________________________________
3____3b___2b___1b___1__________________
4____3c___2c___1c___1__________________
5____3c___2c___1c___1__________________
6______________________________________

When going from a G chord to a C, use them on frets 8,9, and 10, as follows.

1___G______________C___________________
2______________________________________
3___10b___9b___8b___8__________________
4___10c___9c___8c___8__________________
5___10c___9c___8c___8__________________
6______________________________________

You can also stay on a C chord, and just do licks at frets 8,9,10, as follows

1___C_______________________________________
2___________________________________________
3___8____8b_____10b_______8b______8_________
4___8____8c_____10c_______8c______8_________
5_____8_____8c______10c______8c_____8_______
6___________________________________________

Stay on an F chord

1____F_________________________________
2______________________________________
3___13__13b__15b__13c__13______________
4___13__13c__15c__13c__13______________
5___13__13c__15c__13c__13______________
6______________________________________

and stay on a G chord

1____G_________________________________
2______________________________________
3___15__15b__17b__15c__15______________
4___15__15c__17c__15c__15______________
5___15__15c__17c__15c__15______________
6______________________________________

And combine positions together

1___C__________________________F____________
2___________________________________________
3___8____8b____15b_____13b_____13___________
4___8____8c____15c_____13c_____13___________
5_____8_____8c_____15c_____13c____13________
6___________________________________________

And finally, go through a I,IV,V (C,G,F) progression.

1__C_________F__________G_________________________________C__
2____________________________________________________________
3__8____8b___13b___13___10b_________10b_~_9b______8b______8__
4__8____8c___13c___13___10c_____10c_10c_~_9c_9c___8c__8c__8__
5____8_____8c___13c__13_____10b_10c__________9c_______8c_____
6___________________________10c______________________________
7____________________________________________________________
8____________________________________________________________
9____________________________________________________________
10___________________________________________________________

or

1__C______________F_______________G_____________________________C____
2____________________________________________________________________
3__10b___8b_~_8___15b___13b_~_13__15_15b_16b__17b_22b_22b_21b_20b__20
4__10c___8c_~_8___15c___13c_~_13__15_15c_16c__17c_22c_22c_21c_20c__20
5_____10c____________15c__________15_15c_16c__17c_22c_22c_21c_20c__20
6____________________________________________________________________
7____________________________________________________________________
8____________________________________________________________________
9____________________________________________________________________
10___________________________________________________________________

This is the basic framework for the most common styles of using the B,C. There are many variations in picking patterns, of course. There are also other picking styles as well. Things that Ralph Mooney does with single note picking, Rock and Roll licks, and so forth, but I believe most of what you hear on commercial country recordings is along these lines.

[This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 29 January 2001 at 09:26 AM.]

posted 29 January 2001 03:45 PM         

Thanks,

posted 29 January 2001 06:51 PM         

Mark, I must very respectfully dissagree with you. The movement you are talking about is done by a lot of players. They lower the E's with LKR. Still they roll off C while holding the B pedal down and engage the knee lever lowering the E's.

It does tend to go in the opposite direction from what one normally does with knees and feet, but just a whole heap of players have learned to do it.

Here is one even more incredible. There are some players who have the BE set up ABC, YET they lower the E's on LKL And raise the E's on LKR!! Believe it or not. If I am not mistaken I seem to recall that maybe JayDee maness does this. But not 100% sure. I just know that there are players who do.

Go figger huh?

God bless you,

posted 30 January 2001 07:11 AM         

Another Rugg-ism, an intro (forget which song), D7 to G:

2-10L--10L--10L------|
3-10---10B--10---10B-|
4-10---10C--10---10--|
5----------------10A-|

posted 30 January 2001 09:09 AM         

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Mark, I must very respectfully dissagree with you. The movement you are talking about is done by a lot of players. They lower the E's with LKR. Still they roll off C while holding the B pedal down and engage the knee lever lowering the E's.

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posted 30 January 2001 12:07 PM         

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I'm thinking of "Walk of Life" particularly. He kept the country sound out of it by not using A&B together.

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There is much more A+B stuff in that solo than there is B+C. That said, there is some way cool B+C usage ( e.g., Meas 5-6 )but the thing that struck me is that Paul DOES rock on and off the A pedal and plays virtually the same patterns that he plays on Nashville sessions. It's the phrasing and the groove he's into that makes it sound different. A musician's musician. And a world class solo.

My li'l ole opinion as usual.

Oh yeah, the other interesting thing about this solo is the little figure where he combines B+F. Only other person I've heard/seen do that was Jimmy Day. Do y'all ever combine the B pedal and F lever????? Paul uses it as a I to IV7 going from the E chord with A+B at 7th fret to B+F at the 8th (I'm working from memory here, but I believe this is correct). Interesting ankle contortions for that one.

LTB

[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 30 January 2001 at 12:15 PM.]

posted 30 January 2001 12:50 PM         

NO MATTER WHAT SET-UP you have, learning to make the physical movement of an outside rock and inside knee or the opposite, which is an inside rock and an outside knee is a must. For example on an Emmons type set-up those moves would apply to raising and lowering the E's. (LKR is the lower, LKL is the raise) If you are over AB pedals with your foot or BC pedals with your foot the moves are the same. Remember to apply ankle movements to any two adjacent pedals.

The F lever, B pedal on this set-up would be an inside rock, outside knee over AB. The use of the move takes learning to do as Michael Johnstone instructed. Let the heel come off the floor to let the ankle have more mobility. The same movements over BC would give you different interval arrangements over the strings. EVEN though different strings may be raised and lowered the movements are the same. The only different would be the left foot having to move to the left or right to be over AB or BC.

Learn your guitar as it is but realize that the inside/outside movement applied to the B & LKL physically takes place on ANY SET-UP. The determining factor is what the set-up of the guitar is.

posted 30 January 2001 01:25 PM         

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Do y'all ever combine the B pedal and F lever?

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I'm not familiar with the song you mention by Dire Straits, but I'm quite sure this pedal combo had been used by many people. One of the most common uses is to use it on string 5,6,8 as a way to create a transition from a I to a IV. For example

     G     G7/    C
           G9
5___10a____12_____11a________________
6___10b____12b____11_________________
7____________________________________
8___10_____12R____11R________________