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Bob Hoffnar
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posted 06 March 2001 06:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Hoffnar     
One thing that is fun is to think in sounds or noise. Drop the whole specific pitch issue. Add gestures and shapes to the music. This can come in very handy in many practical and artistic ways. We steel players tend to think in terms of small complex details when many times painting in large brush strokes would work better.

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Don McClellan
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posted 06 March 2001 09:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Don McClellan     
Yes, Toots Thielman the great jazz chromatic harmonica player also plays guitar. I saw him perform in San Francisco about 20 years ago and I was blown away.


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posted 06 March 2001 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry Bell     
Toots Thielemans is a GREAT all round musician and one of the most recorded ones in the business. Not only did he compose 'Bluesette', one of the truly memorable jazz standards, play that haunting harmonica part in the score for 'Midnight Cowboy' -- along with several really cool collaborations with Harry Nilsson, and other solo and collab projects too numerous to mention (see link), his reputation and career was begun as a guitarist in the Django Reinhardt mold (he's Belgian -- what else could he do? ). He played guitar with the Benny Goodman and George Shearing ensembles.
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=B66gc81xrxfhh
(be sure to click on the 'More' buttons to see a truly astounding discography -- a 'Who's Who' of jazz)

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posted 06 March 2001 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Earnest Bovine     
I saw Toots last week in Los Angeles, playing with a quartet. His harmonica playing and musicianship were a joy to behold. Most of all, he was a soulful improviser who was obviously a gentle and beautiful soul.
He played guitar only on the last tune, which was his big hit Bluesette. His guitar playing was quite good, but I don't think it's good enough to make his international reputation as his harmonica playing did.


Jeff A. Smith
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posted 06 March 2001 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff A. Smith     
Well, this part of the conversation has given me something too. I've expressed an interest in developing my ability to reproduce melodies that come from an outside source.

The thing that hangs me up about that is that unlike melodies that I come up with myself, with outside melodies I am not intimately connected with the note by note process, from the inside out. When I'm inside the melody as it is developing, I'm there with the instrument and stand a pretty good chance of going from interval to interval. There is an intimate emotional connection, as well.

This obviously is not the case with an alien invention that somebody else plops down on my doorstep. I know that in music schools they sit in a class and take down melodies that the instructor plays for them. I'd like to be able to get at the thing that quick, except play it back on the instrument.

It hit me this morning that if I SING the melody when I first receive it, (maybe from a television commercial or something), that would be a great way to get inside of it and develop a more intimate emotional connection with it. Maybe if I do that enough I'll develop the ability to reproduce outside melodies quickly, beyond the simple blues phrases and such I could do now.

Probably obvious to you Berklee guys, but it was a little light bulb for me. Might make it fun, too.

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posted 06 March 2001 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff A. Smith     
The actual literal way the voice technique has been descibed above is as a way of gaining a connection with what is in one's mind.

Another use suggests itself, which is probably well known to many of you, but the idea struck me with particular force this morning.

I don't really have much problem playing what is in my own mind, unless I make some unnatural effort to be totally original. The effortful quality usually insures that whatever I come up with will not only NOT be original, but that nobody would be interested in hearing it anyway.

Where I have a problem is when I want to play some alien thing from outside myself, like a T.V. commercial, or something. It seems to me that singing the thing first would bring it inside me, and allow me to become connected with it emotionally, and see it from the inside, where I can understand the intervallic structure and reproduce it. Maybe after doing that long enough I could do away with the voice intermediary.

At least it sounds like a fun way of going about it.

Jeff A. Smith
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posted 06 March 2001 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff A. Smith     
The actual literal way the voice technique has been descibed above is as a way of gaining a connection with what is in one's mind.

Another use suggests itself, which is probably well known to many of you, but the idea struck me with particular force this morning.

I don't really have much problem playing what is in my own mind, unless I make some unnatural effort to be totally original. The effortful quality usually insures that whatever I come up with will not only NOT be original, but that nobody would be interested in hearing it anyway.

Where I have a problem is when I want to play some alien thing from outside myself, like a T.V. commercial, or something. It seems to me that singing the thing first would bring it inside me, and allow me to become connected with it emotionally, and see it from the inside, where I can understand the intervallic structure and reproduce it. Maybe after doing that long enough I could do away with the voice intermediary.

At least it sounds like a fun way of going about it.

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