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Kenny Foy Member Posts: 534 |
posted 12 March 2002 03:39 PM
Was a Sho-Bud pro 2,12 string, double neck a common production steel. I would like to know what year it was made. only been playing for a while and have every intention of NEARLY mastering it. |
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Duane Becker Member Posts: 382 |
posted 12 March 2002 07:49 PM
If you give a little info on the guitar maybe we can pinpoint the date down to an era. Its almost impossible to date Sho-Buds by their serial number so I dont need that. Is it a Pro-II Custom? Thanks Duane Becker |
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Kenny Foy Member Posts: 534 |
posted 12 March 2002 08:48 PM
Thanks for coming backMr becker. Itis The Pro2 Custom, model no. 6165 serial no. 8390 inspected by D. Marr . 12 string dbl neck. thanks Kenny Ray |
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Duane Becker Member Posts: 382 |
posted 13 March 2002 07:56 AM
Kenny, well for starters, the inspected by Duane Marrs tells us that the pedal steel was made prior to 1980, cause Duane Marrs worked at Sho-Bud until 1979 when the Jackson family sold the business. Its really hard, maybe impossible to date the Sho-Buds by their serial numbers, so we have to use other info. The 12 strings were made but they were not as common as the standard 10 string. Hope this helps. Duane Becker |
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RON PRESTON Member Posts: 742 |
posted 13 March 2002 04:28 PM
All I know about the Sho-Bud D-12 was that it was the heavyest mutha I ever packed. My Brother, Austin Preston,(which lives in Orlando, Fl.) has one, and I just don't know how he packs that thing all the time. It is a back-breaker for sure,  but it has a wonderful tone.  |
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Kenny Foy Member Posts: 534 |
posted 13 March 2002 06:31 PM
What does the D stand for as in D 10 or D12? Also Iunderstand the first Sho-Bud was owned or given tothe Warden guy who played for Porter Waggoner.Why was he the lucky one, is he still around, and where is the steel now? That steel has history. thanks KEnny Ray |
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Paul Graupp Member Posts: 3199 |
posted 13 March 2002 07:15 PM
Kenny: The D stands for a Double neck guitar whereas S stands for a Single neck. If memory serves me correctly, the pedal steel that Don Warden used was an S-8 and had only one (two ??) pedals so it was a very basic setup which he played standing up. Since everyone was going for 10 string set-ups about that time, it may have just been easier to make a S-8 as a first entry. I have no ideas about where it went or is now. Regards, Paul |
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chas smith Member Posts: 3168 |
posted 13 March 2002 11:29 PM
The first Sho-Bud went to Ben Keith, it's now owned by Jimmy Roy. |
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Herb Steiner Member Posts: 6119 |
posted 14 March 2002 05:59 AM
The first Sho-Bud did go to Don Worden. I saw it years ago in the Roy Acuff Museum. The second Sho-Bud went to Ben Keith and that's the one Jimmy Roy owns. Cool guitar. SB3 went to Jimmy Day, now owned by Lynn Owsley. SB4 was Buddy's, which is now in the Country Music Hall of Fame Museum. It's the one that Pete Drake had for years with the large metal plaque on the front that covered Buddy's name. ------------------ |
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Paul Graupp Member Posts: 3199 |
posted 14 March 2002 06:06 AM
Herb: How does Bobby Garrett's Sho-Bud; the one BE did the front plate engraving (??) of BG's name on; fit into this sequence ?? I remember reading that BE really wanted the sound BG had with his Sho-Bud. Wouldn't that mean the Bobby had a Sho-Bud before Buddy ?? Regards, Paul |
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Paul Graupp Member Posts: 3199 |
posted 15 March 2002 01:48 PM
BUMP for Mr. Steiner !! |
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Paul Graupp Member Posts: 3199 |
posted 17 March 2002 09:04 AM
Where is Herb when you need him ?? Last Bump. |
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Herb Steiner Member Posts: 6119 |
posted 17 March 2002 10:03 AM
Paul I've been busy with a local music festival and haven't been online much. Sorry. The info I got was what I remembered Buddy saying about those guitars. I think I read it on his website. I certainly could be mistaken. However, Buddy could have wanted the tone of Garrett's guitar regardless of when it was built in the sequence of early SB's. It doesn't necessarily mean that Bobby's guitar was built BEFORE Buddy's, only that when Garrett's guitar came out, BE decided he wanted THAT particular sound. I will email Buddy and ask the man himself, if he isn't already lurking. ------------------ |
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Paul Graupp Member Posts: 3199 |
posted 17 March 2002 12:41 PM
Thanks Herb !! And I'm sure glad you're busy as that's a good sign !! Regards, Paul |
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PAUL WARNIK Member Posts: 1417 |
posted 17 March 2002 01:13 PM
My second Sho-Bud was a model 6165 D-12 Pro-II that I took delivery of in 1976 it was my dream guitar back then but quite a disappointment for the then 16 year old-it too had a sticker underneath from Music City Manufacturing that was signed having the final inspection done by Mr Marrs-well he must have been having some eyesight problems-there was a huge gap between the wood and the endplate on the rear left and when I screwed the legs in-all four of them wobbled-after going back to Sho-Bud a few times and a heated phone call to Shot it was finally made acceptable-my mentor at the time-Mike Rio was also playing a D-12 Sho-Bud so it made it easy for me to sit in at his gigs-after that every Sho-Bud that I ever bought was sold soon after-in hindsight I should have bought an EMMONS but what can I else can I say-I was a huge fan of Lloyd (still am) and he played Sho-Bud-this was the same guitar that was later destroyed-go back and see the story about that in the Forum thread about "The Destruction of Older Steels" |
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Buddy Emmons Member Posts: 1403 |
posted 17 March 2002 02:05 PM
The confusing part of which Sho~Bud was number one, two, or any number is that I cut the cabinets out for Don, Ben, Jimmy, and myself in that order. Don Warden was the first to walk out the door with a single eight Sho~Bud and there's a chance that Sonny Curtis ended up with the double eight I had set aside for Ben Keith; that part is hazy and Sonny would be the only one to know. No one was aware of a Sho~Bud pedal steel until Don went out on the road, so after we finished the first two guitars, we stopped and waited for feedback. It wasn't too long after Don came back that we started getting orders, so I set the third and fourth cabinets aside and went to work. That's where Shot's and my interpretation of the sequence of the guitars differed. His count was tied to the order of completion and mine was based on the order I built the cabinets. So in that light, the third and fourth cabinets became the six and seventh guitars… or whatever number. As for Bobby's D-12, it had to have been built at least a year or so after we started because the first guitars had eight strings, I graduated to nine, and finally, to a double ten. Each stage required the remaking of patters for necks, endplates, key heads, plus other adjustments. I don't remember going overboard for the D-12, except that I might have said I liked the sound Bobby was getting with the 12 string tuning or something like that. But if Bobby or I told someone I went bananas over the sound of the guitar, then that's the way it happened. In all honesty, we were just happy to build a pedal steel that worked. It was 1957, and as far as our untrained ears were concerned, all the Sho~Buds sounded alike. That same naivete was the cause for my later selling my Touch My Heart Emmons guitar to Dickie Overby. |
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Ed Naylor Member Posts: 1827 |
posted 17 March 2002 04:26 PM
I am looking at an original Sho-Bud sales flyer, and it shows the original and states it is owned by Sonny Curtis.It shows a D9 and owned by George Edwards. It also shows a Triple 8 owned by Johnny Hurd, and a pic of aD10 owned by BUDDIE EMMONS. I own aTriple 9 and also the JEFF NEWMAN D12 that is featured on the Sho-Bud instruction course. I also have in my collection the D10 finger tipper that was owned by Johnny Paycheck. Ed Naylor Steel Guitar Works |
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Buddy Emmons Member Posts: 1403 |
posted 17 March 2002 06:09 PM
Ed: Yes, three guitars all have the word original in the ad, which could mean whomever's name is included in the ad could have been the first person to purchase that particular model. If so, Sonny would have had the first double neck, which was the second guitar we built. In the section B, there's a good chance of George Edwards' nine string Sho~Bud being the guitar I used for the cover photo of the Midnight Jamboree album. Shot was always selling my guitars out from under me and the time of the album release matches the period of the brochure. |
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Paul Graupp Member Posts: 3199 |
posted 18 March 2002 06:15 AM
Herb: You were right !! he was LURKIN' at us and that is so KEWEL as some say on the Forum. Man you gotta love it !!  I'm still laughing at his High Vacumn Factor !!  Regards, Paul |
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Buddy Emmons Member Posts: 1403 |
posted 18 March 2002 07:19 AM
Actually, it was through a series of events and the miraculous timing of my compadre, Herb Steiner's e-mail that brought me to the table last night. After I had submitted my responses, something just didn't feel right so I thought about it and finally finished the following comments at 3:30 last night. I don't want to wear everybody out on this but I do want it right, so it goes as follows: After a lot of thinking tonight I came up with what I believe to be facts a little closer to the bone regarding the four Sho~Buds. First, I excluded Ben, so I obviously didn't reserve a cabinet for him. His only connection with that particular D-8 was while he was at the shop looking at the new guitar and I was prodding him for a name to come up with. The part that made it hazy regarding Sonny Curtis was that the first double eight had the standard E9th pedal changes and Sonny's setup was reversed. By that, I mean his tuning was A open and when he pressed the pedals, it lowered it to E9th. After a little thought, I realized it would have been easy enough for Shot to disassembled the pull rod and route a reverse pulley to do the job. The major difference was instead of setting Jimmy's and my cabinet aside, I finished them along with assembling cabinets for the new orders, because at that stage it was important to Shot that Jimmy had a guitar he could take on the road. Otherwise, the rest of the story is much the same: Shot's count was for guitars sold and mine was for the order in which I built the cabinets. So, we're back to Jimmy's and my guitar numbers three and four. So Herb; the course of history might have taken a dogleg left for a moment but your reputation for having the facts remains in tact. I'm hoping you slept well. |
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Herb Steiner Member Posts: 6119 |
posted 18 March 2002 09:12 AM
E Thanks for setting us all straight. But as far as my night-time peace of mind goes, I actually haven't slept all that well since puberty  .------------------ |
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