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Eric West
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From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 20 November 2003 03:34 PM     profile     
This last week playing live in stereo with my xt I noticed that a lot, if not all of the "effects" especially the compressor and "fuzz" effects, including the amp modellers might be better served by a Stereo VP to be in line directly from the axe. I noticed Boss makes one thats Hi imp.

Anybody got experience with this?

EJL

Brad Sarno
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From: St. Louis, MO USA

posted 20 November 2003 03:45 PM     profile     
Eric, I'm confused. Why stereo? Don't you want your volume pedal early in the chain before any of the signal becomes stereo. OR,do you want post effect volume control where the signal has been made stereo with effects? Typically you wouldn't use your steel guitar volume pedal after any reverb or delay effects because your pedal movement would cause the reverb or ambience to rise and fall un-naturally. Please elaborate.

Brad Sarno

Donny Hinson
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From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 20 November 2003 05:10 PM     profile     
Unless you have a stereo pickup on that guitar, the stereo volume pedal idea is kinda wasted. And to my knowledge, Boss doesn't make a decent volume pedal for steel guitar, stereo or otherwise.
Bob Hoffnar
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From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 20 November 2003 05:25 PM     profile     
If you are using a stereo FX processer you can plug your steel directly into your fx and then run the stereo outputs through your pedal. This can optimise your fx and give you more control of reverb tails or lagging delay repeats.

If you have a problem with unnatural reverb sound because of your volume pedal in that position my diagnosis would be that you might be using your volume pedal too much.

What I use it for is to have an extra pot ready to go if one gets scratchy.

It has come in handy.

Bob

[This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 20 November 2003 at 05:31 PM.]

Eric West
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From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 20 November 2003 06:25 PM     profile     
OK Bob I have used compressors like te Dan Armstrong Orange Squeezer and the Overdrive units like the old Boss Tones over the years. Those two applications were always B4 the VP.

I noticed that that the RV3 worked the best B4 the VP.

Now.

I've got the Pod, which is stereo when using two amps. The Compression and overdrive features MUST be after the VP along with all the other models, reverbs etc.

If It were "Perfect", it would have a loop I could plug into and come out of before the volume pedal. It's evidently not, but I've toyed with the idea of having the left and right outputs into and out of a stereo volume pedal.

Obviously stereo chorus, and reverbs are routinely put in *after* the VP, or I'd heard more about it.

I've got a post in over at Line 6, and with the "foot pedal" bank that's available for guitars, I guess you CAN do this. If there is a volume pedal loop IN the pedal board connector, I'm guessing it might be able to be "tapped into".

I'm going to be doing some research on that. It would mean that there could be a "volume pedal loop" made from a modified pedal board connector cable fitted with a couple 1/4 inch connectors.

I'm going to find out.

Thanks.

EJL

David Deratany
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From: Cape Cod Massachusetts

posted 20 November 2003 07:27 PM     profile     
I have found that the strength of the effects varies with the level of the input signal, and that it is especially noticable with compressors and fuzz tones. For that reason I put them first. But I do like the delay after the vp, so that the vp doesn't shut it off. Your results, of course, may vary
Eric West
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From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 20 November 2003 07:45 PM     profile     
Well like I said it's time to dive into the book and see if the pedal board connecting wire carries a set of wires I can put through the EB VP and put the "volume sensitive" effects like the comp and fuzz before it without ruining the stereo A and B outputs, or putting ALL of the effects before a volume pedal.

Boy reading a paper book is a real PITA. A guy could get a Paper Cut..

EJL

Larry Dahl
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From: Geneva, FL USA

posted 21 November 2003 09:48 PM     profile     
Other than the effects getting a full strong signal, the greatest advantage of a stereo volume pedal is to reduce noise on stage between songs(in clubs wherer lights and electricity produce noise). I have been using a stereo Franklin volume pedal for quite a while, and it is last in line to the amp. Between songs my pedal is up and I have no noise. When the band plays you can't hear any noise because, well, the band is playing. OK, you mihgt hear noise on the pickup notes. I use the amps reverb, but if I used an external reverb, I would probably have it last in line. I wish that the new pedals by Hilton or Goodrich were available in stereo.

Paul Osbty
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From: Seattle, Washington, USA

posted 22 November 2003 02:48 AM     profile     
I have the original POD, but the XT may be the same.

You have to use the pedal board supplied by Line 6 to get full use of a volume pedal. I use one with mine.

If you hook it up to a computer and use the editing software, the volume pedal can be placed before or after the "pre-amp". This allows you to have a driven sound regardless of the pedal position (when set to After). This can be set for every Preset.

When you pull back the pedal, in both modes, reverbs and such will naturally decay.

George Kimery
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From: Limestone, TN, USA

posted 22 November 2003 05:26 AM     profile     
I would like to be educated about stereo. To have true stereo, wouldn't you have to either have a stereo pickup with 2 hots and a ground or 2 pickups, each acting as a right and left channel? If you are taking one signal and trying to make stereo out of it, aren't you really just getting Hi-fi and not true stereo? You would need 2 amps or at least an amp with 2 seperate channels also, right?

[This message was edited by George Kimery on 22 November 2003 at 05:54 AM.]

Erv Niehaus
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From: Litchfield, MN, USA

posted 22 November 2003 07:02 AM     profile     
I think the closest you could come in a "stereo" volume pedal would be one with two outlets. I have a couple of them, a Goodrich and an Emmons. I don't use the two outlets for stereo though, I use one to go to a tuner.
Erv
Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 22 November 2003 09:55 AM     profile     
Franklin makes a true stereo volume pedal.
Brad Sarno
Member

From: St. Louis, MO USA

posted 22 November 2003 01:59 PM     profile     
One input and two outputs isn't stereo, it's mono with two identical outputs. A true stereo volume pedal would have two inputs and two outputs that are totally isolated from eachother. I'm guessing the Franklin stereo pedal has two pots ganged together. Ernie Ball makes a true stereo pedal too but they feel funny when you sit down and use them. I think they're angled for standing up and playing normal geetar.

Brad Sarno

Paul Osbty
Member

From: Seattle, Washington, USA

posted 22 November 2003 05:24 PM     profile     
Eric, you will be able to run your POD in stereo, straight to the mixing board, if you use the Line 6 pedal as I explained.
John Floyd
Member

From: Somewhere between Camden County , NC and Saluda S.C.

posted 22 November 2003 06:40 PM     profile     
I have one of the Ernie Ball Stereo Volume Pedals and Brad you are right, its practically useless for steel. Too Tall, however it has a switch where you can change it over to panning from left to right.
The other disadvantage is that with 4 jacks you have tied 4 ground points together and created one hell of a ground loop.

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[This message was edited by John Floyd on 22 November 2003 at 06:43 PM.]

Eric West
Member

From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 23 November 2003 03:40 AM     profile     
Had a gig so missed most of this.

THe xt has a right and left output for amps or boards, 1/4in jack. I currently have the volume pedal before it.

The stereoness is not the guitar it's the stereo effects, like some delays, auto pan, and a couple others and only when using two amps. Reverb tremolo and chorus at least I'd think would be best After everything.

Problem being, and indeed it might be able to be solved by a Line 6 pedal, which goes internally )and I STILL haven't had time o read which effects it can put in front of the pedal though I will tomorrow.) and put the compressor, and overdriven "muff tones".

I'll keep the ernie ball in mind and briefly toyed with adding another pot and two jacks on my old trusty EB. If anything like the PSGs, a Franklin would doubtless be the State of the Art.

I'm gonna read more after I come to this afternoon.

Long fun gig..

EJL

Larry Dahl
Member

From: Geneva, FL USA

posted 24 November 2003 02:00 AM     profile     
Eric,
The Franklin stereo volume pedal is essentially a copy of the emmons, but just a fraction wider, so as to allow two pots with their shafts cut short to fit against each others shaft. Naturally, the strings wind around the collars from opposite sides. There are two ins and two outs=stereo. I have two of these pedals. Years ago I drilled holes in the face of the pot covers, and I occasionally spray cleaner in there, then recover the hole with a piece of duct tape.
Eric West
Member

From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 26 November 2003 10:40 PM     profile     
Here's the deal on the Pod xt Volume Loop:

To use it you MUST get a shortboard pedal board and use their volume pedal.

It is a "voltage controller" done digitaly somehow rather than a pot.

That's the only way to use the most often "pre pedal effects" such as distortion, and compression BEFORE the volume pedal.

Oh well.

The compressor is liveable post pedal, and if I need good pre pedal distortion I can always hook up my Boss Turbo before the VP.

Took a call to two techs to get them to "info up" on it.

Happy T Day to all.

EJL

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