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Topic: Nashville 112 report
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Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 18 March 2005 01:02 PM
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Jay, your JBL's are probably 8ohm so you'd see a loss in power. The stock speaker is 4 ohms. Other than that, it's a good idea. But, honestly, that speaker in the amp is pretty special, as many are discovering. Brad Sarno |
Gary Lee Gimble
Member From: Gaithersburg, Maryland
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posted 18 March 2005 01:38 PM
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Hey Mr. Jessups, why don't you plug your banjo into the 112 and pick some Adcock lics. After 30 minutes of banjo pickin, strap on the steel. Now we ain't takin "yuk" anymore, huh! Who told 'ya? |
Dave Zirbel
Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA
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posted 18 March 2005 01:48 PM
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I have to admit that after playing through a Webb for so long that it took a while for this amp to grow on me. Each time I use it I like it more and more. It works good for my Dobro, too, and I still get asked to turn down-even in my "loud" band.I like this little unit. Dave Z[This message was edited by Dave Zirbel on 18 March 2005 at 03:22 PM.] |
Darvin Willhoite
Member From: Leander, Tx. USA
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posted 18 March 2005 03:20 PM
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I agree with Brad that the stock speaker is pretty good. I had a 4 ohm Black Widow laying around that I put in mine, and I can't tell a nickels worth of difference in sound, but I can tell several pounds of difference in weight. As soon as I get time, I'm taking it back out and putting the stock speaker back in. Mine didn't need any break-in either, it sounded great right out of the box.------------------
Darvin Willhoite
Riva Ridge Recording
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W Franco
Member From: silverdale,WA. USA
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posted 18 March 2005 05:29 PM
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Well last night was a trial by fire for sure for this little amp. I've been playing through my 6oo watt, dual 15 inch JBL speaker system for quite a while now week after week. So the owners and a lot of people that go there every week Know with I usually sound like. Common comment about that system is "very sweet". Well I certainly asked the regulars to listen and give me an assessment from the front of this new amp. The most comments I received was crisp and full. Certainly with the amp right next to me it sounds like the cabinet is just full of sound. That low end really resonates in that open back cabinet. It has a lot of lower mid's if you're not careful. The little thing is just full of power, it sounds like it's going to, for lack of a better term "honk" its self to death in no time. I really like it and so do the listners. [This message was edited by W Franco on 18 March 2005 at 05:31 PM.] |
Jay Jessup
Member From: Charlottesville, VA, USA
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posted 19 March 2005 05:00 AM
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Well getting the 'honk' out is what I am trying to accomplish. I have been able to get some good tone out of it but no matter what I do with the mid-shift I still get the honk. I suppose it's worth mentioning that all I have played through recently are either a 60's Standell or a Sho-Bud so mayabe I am expecting more from this amp than it's willing to give? It's a cute little amp and I really want it to work for me. I am going to try using my Mesa pre-amp today and if I can get a good tone use that for a while 'till the speaker breaks in, the other option is the JBL but it is 8 ohm which won't be a problem at home.
Gary, I don't have a pickup in that banjo anymore maybe I could just mike it and rip it out for a while, have to wait for the girls to head out of the house tho!! Has Julian arrived yet? what-cha think?
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Randy Beavers
Member From: Lebanon,TN 37090
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posted 19 March 2005 06:20 AM
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Since nobody has posted Johnny Cox's settings yet, I'll tell you what I learned from him. He took the settings I already had, then turned the mids OFF. I mean as far to the left as the knob would go. Then he adjusted the presence control between -6 and -9. The amp sounded very "tubey."His 2 amp setup, he stacked them and used the top amp's preamp settings. Ran a cable from the top amp's pre-amp out, on the back, to the power amp input on the lower amp. He started with both amp's post gains set the same. Then adjusted the lower amps post gain to give him the lows he wanted. However the lower amps post gain stayed fairly close to the top amp's. Everyone in the room thought this was the best combination of all that we tried. But as human nature will have it, we will go on trying to find something even better. |
Jack Stoner
Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 19 March 2005 07:07 AM
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Randy, the only way you can set the mids to "off" is to have it at the 0 position. If the knob is all the way to the left it is getting max cut (attenuation) of the selected frequency. The "paramid" control is not like an ordinary "mid" control. The paramid either cuts or boosts whatever frequency is selected. If the control is set to 0, it's neither cutting or boosting any frequencies, you can set the frequency control wherever you want and it won't make a difference. |
Randy Beavers
Member From: Lebanon,TN 37090
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posted 19 March 2005 12:22 PM
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Jack, the mid control is for cut or boost as you said. The shift is what determines the frequency to be cut or boosted. I said he used my settings other than the mid and presence settings. The Shift was left at 750 to 800 hz. So that would mean the mid was turned to -15.[This message was edited by Randy Beavers on 19 March 2005 at 12:25 PM.] |
Rick Collins
Member From: Claremont , CA USA
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posted 19 March 2005 03:15 PM
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Who is having a lot of success with this amp for the Fender sound, Stringmaster and Custom? I'm using a Webb 614-E with the 4 ohm JBL, now. I must set the "Selector" switch on (3) or I get no acceptable sound with this Webb amp for the Fenders.There is no place in my area where I can try the N-112 before buying. Many thanks, Rick |
Jack Stoner
Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 19 March 2005 04:42 PM
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Randy, "mids turned off" or set to -15 cut is two different things. At -15, whatever frequency was selected would be attenuated by 15 DB. It would be amost like having a notch filter and cutting out the selected frequency. Being an amp tech, I probably look at it different. |
Jay Jessup
Member From: Charlottesville, VA, USA
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posted 20 March 2005 05:32 AM
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Randy,
I tried the mid cut at 800/-15 like you (very clearly, I thought?) suggested and it does help, in fact I think it is what Wanda Cooper said Billy suggested I try when I let them know I was less than thrilled with the tone.
I also tried the Mesa studio preamp and this is what I found, sounded about the same so I activated the 5 band EQ section, left high and lows flat, made a pretty good cut at 750, sounded better but still had the 'honk' made a cut at 240, honk's gone! The honk also went away with the -15/800 cut but I thought the amp was still a little thick sounding. I am sure I have beat this topic to death so I am just gonna go play it enough to get that speaker broken in. |
Jay Jessup
Member From: Charlottesville, VA, USA
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posted 20 March 2005 05:34 AM
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whoops-double post I guess I can't delete it myself?[This message was edited by Jay Jessup on 20 March 2005 at 05:36 AM.] |
W Franco
Member From: silverdale,WA. USA
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posted 20 March 2005 10:58 AM
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Just tried that setting. It basically took all of the honk out. Very clean with good low end clarity. All I am using is the Hilton strait into the amp with reverb on about 3.5. The high seemed just a very little bit bitey but the black box should sweeten that up. That adjustment that Johnny does really is quite amazing. Very touchy, just a little up from -15 takes the effect away real quick. I even messed with the shift to see if anything worked any better. By the way I have E-66's on my Fessy. Less than 750 took away some of that nice low end. I think that setting is a real keeper. Thanks a lot you guys. |
Roy Ayres
Member From: Starke, Florida, USA
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posted 20 March 2005 11:48 AM
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After using my 112 at the Panasoffkee jam (with Jack Stoner) and at Ernie Cawby's Monday Night Gospel Barn twice, I have developed enough confidence in mine that I will be using it at the Deep South show in Gulfport, the Southern Illinois show in Benton, Ill. and at the Saluda. S.C. show. My Nashville 1000 has been relegated to the bedroom as my practice amp. I use the same settings on both amps and get a tone that seems to my subjective evaluation to be the same. I love it!------------------
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Browse my Photo Album and be sure to sign my Guest Book.[This message was edited by Roy Ayres on 20 March 2005 at 11:55 AM.] |
Tony Rankin
Member From: Miamisburg, OH USA
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posted 21 March 2005 07:18 PM
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Randy,I tried Johnny's settings and they sound great to me. Thanks for posting them. Tony |
Dave Zirbel
Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA
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posted 06 April 2005 09:02 AM
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I love this little amp! It hasn't let me down yet. It is warm and punchy and has plenty of power. If I have to play any louder than the N112 can handle, I'll put a mic on it. The only thing I use besides the reverb and volume pedal is a Matchbox 60. I turn the mids to zero and the shift straight up, but I think the mids on zero cancels out the shift. The only problem is on my last gig I got some feedback with the pre and master gains both on 5. I was skeptical at first and never knew about "speaker break in time" but the thing is a lot smoother sounding now compared to when I first got it. Dave Z ------------------
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Al Terhune
Member From: Newcastle, WA
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posted 15 October 2006 11:02 PM
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I thought I had remembered reading what Randy had said about Johnny cutting the mid down all the way "off" with the presence taken down to almost off, too. It's the best setting for me.Al |
Mike Brown
Member From: Meridian, Mississippi USA
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posted 16 October 2006 07:58 AM
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Here is an article that I wrote a year or two ago about the eq circuit of the Nashville Series of amplifiers; http://www.peavey.com/media/pdf/steelguitar/nashvilleseries_tonecircuit.pdf Understanding the eq circuit may help you in locating that "sweet spot". |
Tony Harris
Member From: England
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posted 16 October 2006 09:51 AM
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For those players who've experienced it - or for Mike Brown who may know technically what happens - what does the speak do as it 'breaks in'? I've heard about this in hi-fi speakers. Does it gain top? Lose Top? Gain bottom end? Mids?..... In what way does it get better? |
Mike Archer
Member From: Church Hill, Tennessee, USA
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posted 16 October 2006 11:31 AM
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ive used several amps in the past
evans webb fender i gotta say the nash112
is the best yet and the most bang for the buck you can spend big bucks for the custom
jobs but mabe not be as happy
for me im staying with the 112 |
Mike Brown
Member From: Meridian, Mississippi USA
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posted 17 October 2006 08:50 AM
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Tony, I compare the breaking in of a speaker to a new set of tires for your automobile..................................At first, new tires make the ride still and a bit bumpy, then after a few thousand miles the ride is quite comfortable and the vehicle handles well. Then, when the tires start to show wear and tear, it is time to change them out with new ones. Naturally, a set of tires will wear out sooner than a speaker, but it is the same principal. I believe that all can relate. Mike Brown
Peavey USA |
Brint Hannay
Member From: Maryland, USA
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posted 19 October 2006 11:51 PM
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I hate to be a lone dissenter, but I wonder if there's anyone out there who feels like I do. I was impressed by all the testimonies on the Forum enthusing about the NV112, so I bought one when I had a small group/small venue gig coming up in a few days. Trying it out at home, with a GFI SD-10 with stock GFI-II pickup, A Super Pro with stock PUs, and a Pro III with stock PUs, I found that the tone varied from unpleasantly nasal to hideously nasally ugly, no matter what I did with the tone controls, and I tried literally everything. From full cut to full boost and everything in between at every frequency spot on the mid frequency control, every setting of treble control with all the above, likewise the presence control. Luckily, the guy at the music store I bought it from was a friend--I couldn't get rid of it fast enough! It doesn't have a footprint significantly smaller than, say, a Steel King, and as far as weight is concerned, I use a hand truck. For those that like or love their 112s, that's fine--I just wonder if I'm the only one who doesn't like it. Who knows, maybe the one I got was defective--but it was in a sealed box.[This message was edited by Brint Hannay on 19 October 2006 at 11:53 PM.] |
Chris Bauer
Member From: Nashville, TN USA
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posted 20 October 2006 06:00 AM
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Sonic tastes are obviously pretty individual things, Brint, but my money is on your having stumbled onto one of the rare defective amps. |
Ernie Renn
Member From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA
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posted 20 October 2006 12:20 PM
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Buddy had it set like this with the Zum (8-28-06):
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My best,
Ernie
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Mike Wheeler
Member From: Columbus, Ohio, USA
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posted 23 October 2006 05:54 AM
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I tried the Johnny Cox settings that Randy Beavers mentioned above, and was amazed!! Very cool sound with my Dekley U12. I think I'll keep on using them. Thanks, Randy!! |
Roger Kelly
Member From: Mount Carmel, TN. 37645
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posted 23 October 2006 06:34 AM
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I just bought a pair of PV Nashville 112's from Bobbe Seymour a couple of weeks ago and have been using both 112's though my RV-3 for a "Stereo" type sound. I am using the settings that Johnny Cox uses, per Randy Beavers post above, and find that I can get
a real good clean sound from the 112's. I place my speakers about 3-4 ft apart behind me on stands. My RV-3 settings are Mode-7,
Balance 8-9 o'clock tweeked to conditions/taste, Tone-11 o'clock, R.Time-12 o'clock. These are Ballpark settings. What works for me........ may not be for you.
One Nashville 112 was enough for me to use in small rooms. Plenty of volume and headroom.
Two 112's will be able to handle any place that I may be playing in the future, I believe.
My report on the 112 is that you get a Great looking, light weight relatively speaking,
settings easy to adjust, clean sounding Steel Guitar Amplifier, along with knowing that Peavey customer service is second to none, if you ever need help from the factory, makes this Amplifier the best "bang for the buck" on the market today..... in my opinion. |
Mike Brown
Member From: Meridian, Mississippi USA
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posted 23 October 2006 02:13 PM
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Almost 100% of the replies and comments that I have received or read from players has been of a positive nature. It only shows that our circuit designs are are "in the ballpark of subjective sounds". Hopefully next time we will knock it out of the park!
Thanks for your support of Peavey products!
Mike Brown
Peavey Electronics Corporation |
PAUL WARNIK
Member From: OAK LAWN,IL,USA
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posted 25 October 2006 01:35 AM
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I like mine  Thanks to Dyke Corson (Corson Music-Champaign,IL) for the great price!-I know some dedicated Peavey players will dispute this but IMHO this is the best product that Peavey has developed for pedal steel players in the last 20 or more years of their operation-Can't believe there was a time I lugged around a Session 500 and a Session 400  |
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