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Bill Llewellyn Member From: San Jose, CA |
posted 01 March 2004 04:15 PM
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I just got permission from a friend to let others listen to this demo track his acoustic band did recently (they're working toward a fully polished CD). He asked me to add steel to it, so the Jerry G imitation you hear here is me.  Comments welcome!http://www.rahul.net/thinker/audio/mp3/Teach_demo.mp3 [Edited 11/17/04: Below is an updated version of the demo; also see my post on Page 2 of this thread.] ------------------ [This message was edited by Bill Llewellyn on 18 November 2004 at 06:21 AM.] |
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA |
posted 01 March 2004 04:20 PM
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Great job, Bill! You're no longer a steel guitarist impersonator. You've now reached the point where you're impersonating a guitar player impersonating a steel guitarist!  DUCKING FOR COVER.------------------ |
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Jim Peters Member From: St. Louis, Missouri, USA |
posted 01 March 2004 04:43 PM
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Great job Bill! Very close but you put your own stuff in it too. That is still a great song, we cover it in a csny band that we do 3 or 4 times a year. Maybe next time we play out, I'll try my hand at it too. Jim Peters |
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Bill Llewellyn Member From: San Jose, CA |
posted 01 March 2004 04:47 PM
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One thing I did learn when studying that track in order to 'clone' it (loosely) is that his pulls were all done with the A, B, and occasionally C pedals. No knee levers used. So the changes aren't terribly complicated, but I know I would never have come up with them. |
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Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y. |
posted 01 March 2004 09:10 PM
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Excellent job Bill. You sound great. |
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Jim Palenscar Member From: Oceanside, Calif, USA |
posted 01 March 2004 10:19 PM
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Very nice job, Bill! |
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David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand |
posted 02 March 2004 03:27 AM
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I don't care what anyone says this is a nice steel part by JG. And this is a very nice version from you Bill. Much of Jerrys nice music and some of you too. Good tone too, the steel is the best recorded instrument in the mix... |
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Chippy Wood Member From: Elgin, Scotland |
posted 02 March 2004 03:58 AM
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Nice one Bill. ------------------ |
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Allen Peterson Member From: Katy, Texas |
posted 02 March 2004 05:05 AM
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Very nicely done. I too, have had the opportunity within the last month to play this song with an acoustic band. We haven't recorded it though. JG obviously did not know the rules. He often used the C pedal by itself without the BC combination, particularly in the ride. Imagine that! |
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Jack Francis Member From: Mesa, Arizona, USA |
posted 02 March 2004 05:19 AM
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NICE JOB! Great tone. |
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Bill Llewellyn Member From: San Jose, CA |
posted 02 March 2004 07:15 AM
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Thanks, guys. It was fun. I'll get a chance to refine my steel work for the actual finished CD as well. I'm glad the tone seems acceptable (to borrow a phrase from Jim Cohen), too. All I did was run my MSA direct. That is, my SuperSustain pickup into my Goodrich L120 pedal, then through a SteelDriver II, through a Lexicon MPX-100, then into my computer. The reverb is a combination of the MPX-100 and the "eVerb" plugin in my recording software. (That eVerb plugin is amazingly powerful.) I appreciate all the comments! ------------------ |
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Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 02 March 2004 08:53 AM
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Incidentally, I heard TYC by JC just yesterday on the elevator music at a local restaurant! I hadn't heard it in a long time, but it reminded me of my original impression, that whether the steel part resulted from the limitations of the player; or if it was deliberately played down to meet the expectations for the instrument during that era; it was a a not unpleasant, and a hauntingly supportive adjunct to the song. As a musician, I like it's simplicity, but more importantly, the civilian listeners (and buyers of records) obviously liked it! |
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Joe Henry Member From: Ebersberg, Germany |
posted 02 March 2004 08:56 AM
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quote: Just my idea but JG might have picked that up by listening to some ´60s country records... the great Ralph Mooney also frequently uses the E to F# change on its own and not always in the "B+C pedal" context. Sorry Bill my computer is giving me problems - I could not listen to your track yet but I´m anxious to hear it. Regards, Joe H. |
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CrowBear Schmitt Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France |
posted 02 March 2004 09:02 AM
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a job well done Bill  |
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Dave Horner Member From: Heath, Texas, USA |
posted 02 March 2004 09:06 AM
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Bill, I love that song and I think your steel playing on the track is superb!! Great job!!
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Dave Boothroyd Member From: The Malvern Hills |
posted 02 March 2004 09:24 AM
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Beautifully played Bill. The Manchester accent on the Graham Nash part needs work though!
[This message was edited by Dave Boothroyd on 02 March 2004 at 09:25 AM.] |
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Allen Peterson Member From: Katy, Texas |
posted 02 March 2004 09:29 AM
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Joe, You're probably correct. I hadn't thought of that. |
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Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada |
posted 02 March 2004 11:03 AM
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I like it! Thanks for posting the link, Bill. |
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Roy Thomson Member From: Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada |
posted 02 March 2004 11:14 AM
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You got the "feel" the notes and the pedals. The whole band captures that song beautifully. |
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Walter Stettner Member From: Vienna, Austria |
posted 02 March 2004 11:32 AM
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Great stuff, Bill! Kind Regards, Walter ------------------ |
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Jeff Lampert Member From: queens, new york city |
posted 02 March 2004 11:37 AM
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Wonderful rendition of the song. The steel is terrific. And the singing is impeccable. The whole sound was alive. It was easily one of the best overall works that I've heard on the SGF. ------------------ |
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Dave Van Allen Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth |
posted 02 March 2004 11:53 AM
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very nice I could always hear that West Coast "bounce" in JG's playing...Mooney, Brumley...Owsley...(not Lynn... the other one) |
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA |
posted 02 March 2004 01:44 PM
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quote:You give a whole new meaning to "going direct", Bill. I can't wait to hear your "unplugged" album. ------------------ |
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Bob Carlucci Member From: Candor, New York, USA |
posted 02 March 2004 03:16 PM
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Bill ... Very cool!... I hope you had your black T shirt with a pocket or at LEAST a tie dyed one on when you played that. Jerry would be proud!.... best of luck... you are well on your way! bob |
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Jeff A. Smith Member From: Angola,Ind. U.S.A. |
posted 02 March 2004 03:40 PM
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That's a good sounding MSA, Bill. |
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Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 02 March 2004 04:04 PM
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Congratulations, Bill. That sounds really nice and I expect that you must feel proud. |
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Charlie Wallace Member From: Marina, California, USA |
posted 02 March 2004 04:20 PM
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Hey Bill, Good job! Just enough Jerry to suggest the original and plenty of great tone. |
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David Doggett Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA |
posted 02 March 2004 05:20 PM
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Oh...now I hear what Jerry was trying to do. That's gorgeous, Bill. If that is the rough cut, I can't imagine how good the final will be. On the other hand. You may have mixed in the steel the way we love it, but those boys singing might say, "Hey, the steel is stealing the show!" |
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Bill Llewellyn Member From: San Jose, CA |
posted 02 March 2004 05:30 PM
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Yeah, the steel is loud  but I did the mix so the band members could hear the steel well in the three key places (intro, bridge, and outro) and pick my playing apart. (They already have ideas for improvements.) It does kind of jump out of the speakers at you. b0b, I guess I recorded direct, indirectly. |
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David Cutter Member From: Duluth,GA |
posted 02 March 2004 06:56 PM
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Bill Very nice! I don’t think I have ever heard anyone cover that song. The steel is way cool. I bet the J Man is grinning. Best of luck! David |
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Doug Earnest Member From: Branson, MO USA |
posted 03 March 2004 06:56 AM
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I'll add my congratulations for a job well done by the whole band. That's one of my favorite songs. As someone suggested on here before, I think its time we all listened to the words also..... |
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BobG Member From: Holmdel, NJ |
posted 03 March 2004 07:09 AM
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Great job!..you nailed it. ------------------ |
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David Doggett Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA |
posted 03 March 2004 10:07 AM
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Bill, the mix is perfect. Don't mix that steel down, and fight like heck to keep them from mixing it down. I think one of the reasons steel has supposedly lost popularity is because these days Nashville mixes the steel down until it sounds like it's being phoned in from the next county. An upfront steel part is a revelation for a lot of modern listeners. |
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Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 03 March 2004 10:15 AM
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The current commercial approach to the steel guitar isn't all bad, at least from a financial standpoint. One season with a theater show paid me for a new steel and a new amplifier, plus, carpeted my entire house which made my wife very happy, and was a legitimate deduction on my tax return.... ......and no one ever knew that I was there! [This message was edited by Gene Jones on 12 March 2004 at 04:31 AM.] |
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Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC |
posted 03 March 2004 11:28 AM
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Really nice..Jerry would be proud ! Thanks for posting the tune, it brought back some great memories.. Sometimes we all get so wrapped up in trying to play the difficult stuff when it is quite apparent that the simple stuff may be an equal challange , to capture the feel and essence of the song as you did is not to be taken lightly.. excellent playing.. "It's not how many notes we play but how well we actually play the notes !" [This message was edited by Tony Prior on 03 March 2004 at 11:32 AM.] |
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Bill Llewellyn Member From: San Jose, CA |
posted 11 March 2004 07:28 AM
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I sent the demo link to friends and family members who live near and far. One responded with this comment: quote:Hmmm. I think I'll do a custom mix with the PSG panned mostly to the left and the band mix mostly to the right. That will make my playing embarassingly exposed, but it should help make it clear which instrument the steel actually is in the mix. ------------------ |
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Gordon Black Member From: burns,oregon,usa |
posted 11 March 2004 03:45 PM
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Bill, great job! Reminds me of what drew me to the steel in the first place. Love it! |
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA |
posted 11 March 2004 05:02 PM
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Bill, you need to bring a CD of everything but the steel part to the jam, so that you can give us all a mini-concert performance! ------------------ |
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Bill Cook Member From: Montgomery, Alabama, USA |
posted 12 March 2004 12:51 PM
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BEAUTIFUL |
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Chuck Walker Member From: Cody, Wyoming, USA |
posted 13 March 2004 10:44 AM
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Bill, for those of us new to the instrument, your demo is truly inspirational. I can only hope to be as accomplished after five years! I moved to Wyoming from Portola Valley back in '96 after spending 30 years with HP. Wish we had both come to the PSG a few years earlier and could have gotten together. Please post purchase info on this CD when it is finally released. Terrific job!!! Chuck |
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