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Al Moss
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From: Kent,OH,USA

posted 15 April 2006 12:41 PM     profile     
Nice, long article on R.R.
http://www.readthehook.com/stories/2006/04/13/coverrandolph.aspx

COVER- Pedal power: Can Robert Randolph 'steel' success?
The Hook - Charlottesville,VA,USA
... be thrilled about the exposure he's giving the instrument, but there are also those who want to see it represented by music more typical of its Americana roots ...

Roger Kelly
Member

From: Mount Carmel, TN. 37645

posted 15 April 2006 01:08 PM     profile     
quote:
"A lot of those guys in Nashville hate my guts," says an emphatically disappointed Randolph. "All these redneck dudes calling me every name in the book."

Do you think maybe he's been reading the Steel Forum?

Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 15 April 2006 01:59 PM     profile     
lets set the record straight..the author called me and had me on the phone for probably an hour..He reads the Forum, Robert reads the forum.

I did say ,that to me , with this style of music , all the songs sound the same..but I did not say that I would not buy his records because of that.

That was clearly a misquote..I told the author there were many artists where the music sounded the same to me and I am at a point in my life that I do not buy much music anyway..a handfull of CD's each year.. ..if that...

I told the author I am a huge Eric Clapton fan too,but have not bought a Clapton Cd in years...

I told him that Roberts energy reminded me of both early Johnny Winter, who he never heard of and the the late Dwayne Allman...

To me, thats a huge compliment, as I really like both of those guys..

I told the author that I thought Robert was breaking new ground..but at the same time he should not be considered the first to step away from Country Music with the Pedal Steel.

That was the primary point I was making with the author. Period.

I told the author that I thought Roberts band was great,playing in a very funky groove..

I also told the author that I would certainly go out and see Robert play if he were in my area..

The author didn't know who Paul Franklin or David Lyndley were..but he did know who Dire Straits and Jackson Brown were.

Robert, if you are reading, the author makes it almost seem like I was dissing you..not the case...

He sure left a lot of stuff out...

to the author..I would have thought a few more positive remarks would have shown up...


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Bobby Lee
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From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 15 April 2006 02:17 PM     profile     
quote:
Randolph's debut, Live at the Wetlands, ...
I believe that was The Family Band's debut. The Word was the first Robert Randolph CD. It's still my favorite.

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Donny Hinson
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From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 15 April 2006 03:08 PM     profile     
Why is it constantly brought up that some (older steelers?) don't like what he's doing? Why bring up the fact that some Nashville musicians don't like him?

Who cares?

Is there some ninny that thinks those types of statements are important?

I'd be willing to give big betting odds that Janis Joplin hated Kitty Wells, and Jimi Hendrix hated Jimmy Capps.

So what?!

(Shucks, a lotta people don't like me either!)

PS: Robert...if you ever come to Glen Burnie, I'm an old dude, and I'll jam with 'ya. I can't jump around much, but I can still pick a little R&B.

Rick Collins
Member

From: Claremont , CA USA

posted 15 April 2006 04:26 PM     profile     
quote:
"All these redneck dudes calling me every name in the book."
...racist statement, if I've ever heard one; and it's inaccurate.
Charlie McDonald
Member

From: Lubbock, Texas, USA

posted 17 April 2006 07:05 AM     profile     
quote:
... the pedal steel guitar has all the sex appeal of a picnic table....

Spoken like a true music critic.

I'd still like to see the forum be more inclusive:

quote:
"There are a lot of idiots who will say, 'He's not playing country, I won't even listen to that,'" says Prior. "That's just ignorance."

It's all too true.

We might be able to have a good discussion if RR felt comfortable to be here. As it is, his experience in the music field is criticized. Not a very inclusive atmosphere.
One should walk a mile in his shoes before criticizing his opinion.

David Doggett
Member

From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 17 April 2006 09:03 AM     profile     
First steel in rock'n'roll - Bill Haley's steeler (he's identified on the Forum somewhere, but I forget). Then there's Chuck Berry; then all those country rock steelers in the '60s and '70s. Steel is a minor part in rock, but it's a long history. First blues steeler - The Black Ace and many others in the '20s and '30s, L.C. "Good Rockin'" Robinson in the '60s, and a few other players here and there since, both black and white. Again, itís a minor part, but a long history. Finally, the first electric guitars were steel guitars. So the electric guitar is really an offshoot of electric steel guitar.


And by the way, RR's "redneck" statement is antiracist. There's a huge difference. It's like the first blow in a fight being felonius assault, and the second blow being legal self-defense. Too bad the second blow is necessary in this case. For those who don't care for his characterization, what have you done to make it unnecessary? The bigoted scorn heaped on RR is a great shame to the Forum and the steel guitar community (itís still happening in this and another thread today). Some things just never seem to change.

Tommy White
Member

From: Hendersonville,Tn., U.S.A.

posted 17 April 2006 09:13 AM     profile     
Robert and whom ever,
I'm not familiar with the dudes in Nashville of which you mention in your article, if I understand the context of the blanket statement correctly.
I will tell you, the community of professional steel guitarists I know in Nashville continue to praise and admire your success, appreciate your contribution in reaching a vast audience with pedal steel guitar and wish you the very best.
All the best,
Tommy White
Frank Parish
Member

From: Nashville,Tn. USA

posted 17 April 2006 10:03 AM     profile     
Sorry but I don't see RR statement as racist at all. Sounds like you're fishing to me. I've went to see RR last year and would go again if he comes here. I can tell you it's a great show and he's a great showman breaking new ground and there's nothing wrong or racist about that. As much as he's been dissed here,how could you blame him for that statement?
Bill Hatcher
Member

From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 17 April 2006 10:28 AM     profile     

I always look for the details to substantiate the remarks of high profile people make when they play race cards.

First of all, did the writer or Robert Randolph name anyone who expressed there PERSONAL hatred of him or did they give a list of all those many personal names that he was called??? No.

What you have here is the typical victim mentality thing. "Someone" says they don't like my music, so that means they don't like me.

"Someone" says they don't like the way I play the pedal steel guitar so that means they don't like me.


You can look back through all the threads about Robert Randolph that have been on this forum and you will read of my support for him and his furthering the pedal steel guitar.

I however, cannot support him in this statement that he made. Maybe there will be some more info about this come to light.

Mark Eaton
Member

From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA

posted 17 April 2006 10:58 AM     profile     
Nearly every news story or interview situation that I have had first hand knowledge of, has had some of the information to be incorrect, misquoted, or shortened to "sound bite" status to be taken out of context, or in its brevity-not giving the whole story.

Hopefully my experiences are the exception-but I have had a number of situations in my life where I have thought after reading something in a newspaper, etc.: "Hey I was there that day and that's not what so-and-so said at all!"

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David Doggett
Member

From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 17 April 2006 12:06 PM     profile     
Here are some details, Bill H. RRs playing has been called "garbage" here on the Forum, and over in the current Endorsements thread it is called "cacaphony." There are other choice comments, but I don't think we need to dig back and document them all. The fact is, no other steeler in history has been denounced the way RR has been. There are a number of white steelers who have recordings of some very experimental non-country stuff, yet I cannot recall one word of criticism about any of them. There is simply a gentleman's agreement that seems to inhibit nasty comments about other steelers' playing, except for RR. One would have to be blind not to draw the obvious conclusion. But I don't think it is all racism. Some of it is the same kind of resentment and envy directed at current successful white stars who don't play traditional country.

Thanks to admirable statements like Tommy White's above, it seems clear that RR's quote may be a little off the mark. Regretably, he may be confusing derogatory statements made here on the Forum from all over the country (and abroad) with Nashville pros, most of whom seem supportive of him. This is the tragedy - that a very small minority with a few poorly chosen words can create such a bad impression of all of us. I hope Robert and others reading will realize that the vast majority of steelers on the Forum and in Nashville completely support him playing the steel guitar any way his spirit moves him.

Jeff Colson
Member

From: Rockford Illinois, USA

posted 17 April 2006 12:11 PM     profile     
Almost makes you not want to give interviews or your opinion on anything anymore. Tony gave an honest opinion and only the parts that bring controversy get ink. A friend of mine locally started a website to oust a local politician the media came to do a television interview with him and long story short they made him look like a fool. He is a very intelligent person, but they only showed bits and pieces of him saying things after their commentary that made him look like an idiot. Seems like a trend !
David Doggett
Member

From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 17 April 2006 12:28 PM     profile     
If it's a trend, it's a really, really old one. You just can't believe everything you read. In addition to Tony's misquotes, we don't know what RR really said. The only defense against bad press is to go out and create some good press - it's the old "market place of ideas."
Ben Jones
Member

From: Washington, USA

posted 17 April 2006 01:22 PM     profile     
I agree with most of what your saying Dave but couldnt let this slip by

"There are a number of white steelers who have recordings of some very experimental non-country stuff, yet I cannot recall one word of criticism about any of them."

-Jerry Garcia?

I admit as an outsider to this website when i first came here I found some comments about RR to be bordering on predjudice...racial predjudice, predjudice against that which is different or unknown...thats a shame.

Bill Hatcher
Member

From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 17 April 2006 01:24 PM     profile     
DD. Your quotes mirror what I said. The remarks were made about his playing NOT about him. Randolph's remark was aimed at people---not their playing or their music.

He has never been personally attacked here. His music/playing have. His music/playing and his person are totally separate. Randolph is playing the race card and claiming that people hate HIM. What image does the phrase "redneck dudes from Nashville hate me" conjur up. If I was a steel player from Nashville I would be ticked off big time at what he said.
Tommy White was extremely gentlemanly in his post.

Dave Mudgett
Member

From: Central Pennsylvania, USA

posted 17 April 2006 01:43 PM     profile     
If Tony is misquoted, perhaps Robert's quote is not exactly accurate either. Press accuracy is not 100% by any means, as most of us have learned the hard way. Sometimes honest errors occur, sometimes it's an honestly misinterpreted paraphrase, and sometimes the reporter/editor has an agenda that creeps in. I'm not saying that happened here, but I don't think we should overreact.

Of course, there has been considerable negative discussion relative to Robert's playing here. I suppose that happens whenever anybody breaks the mold others put on them. He would not be incorrect to say that there are some steel players out there that who have said they don't care for his playing. It wouldn't take much of a phrase twist to come up with the attributed quote, although it doesn't seem to me that such attitudes are restricted to Nashville.

But Robert - if you're reading, know that many steel players, including many traditional country players, support what you're doing 100%. I know I do - I'm not in Nashville, but I think you have more friends there than you realize.

PS - Tony, I'm sure you know that when you talk to reporters for a long time and give them a lot more than they can use, that invites invite cherry-picking of quotes that put across the theme-du-jour. Or course, you know they never want to quote anything remotely controversial, since it might improve their circulation. Hey, maybe they're thinking - "How can we spice up an article about the pedal steel guitar, an instrument that has all the sex appeal of a picnic table? Ahh... here's a nice juicy controversy."

David Doggett
Member

From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 17 April 2006 02:22 PM     profile     
Oh, yeah, I forgot about Jerry Garcia. I was thinking more of the nonpopular experimental stuff of some Forumites, that some country purists probably can't stand, but yet have never criticized. I think JG and RR prove you have to reach a certain level of popularity before the real cheap shots start flying. Yet even with JG, the objections seem to have been more about him being overated rather than musically flawed. Did anyone ever call his music "garbage" or "cacaphony?" I'll admit, some of the JG controversy came before I joined the Forum, and I haven't really paid much attention to it. It seems sort of a joke. The RR epithets seem much more bitter and unfunny.

Bill H., you're drawing a fine line that I don't know if I can locate. I don't know of any serious musicians that wouldn't take it completely personally if their music was called "garbage" and "cacaphony." These comments seem to be both ad hominem, as well as directed at the distinctly African-American style of RR. They are so insulting that it is hard for me to imagine that the writers have any kind feelings toward RR as a person.

Jim Sliff
Member

From: Hermosa Beach California, USA

posted 17 April 2006 03:45 PM     profile     
Anyone who thinks that negative comments about RR here have not been at least in part racially motivated need a serious wakeup call.

Kevin Hatton
Member

From: Amherst, N.Y.

posted 17 April 2006 04:03 PM     profile     
Dave Dogett, your out of line. Robert Randolph's "Redneck" statement is blatantly racist and blankets a whole community of mostly white steel players in Nashville. You are embarrassing your self. If its true, it a reflection of his character. Nobody hates Robert, they just don't like the hype that goes along with him being considered the greatest steel guitar player alive (which he is not). Personally I'd still pay to see him if he would just wouldn't play into the left wing media hype about his status.
I've heard Randolph is a great guy. Robert, nobody hates you here. I think that you are incredible at what you do. Its just the hype thats getting people edgy.
"Randolph has succeeded where fifty years of other players have failed"? Thanks alot clown. I guess we can take down all the Hall Of Fame plaques at Scotty's convention now. Just another reporter who hates country music and the people that play it. Robert you've got to stop this kind of reporting.

[This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 17 April 2006 at 04:07 PM.]

[This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 17 April 2006 at 04:13 PM.]

Bobby Lee
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 17 April 2006 04:30 PM     profile     
quote:
Yet even with JG, the objections seem to have been more about him being overated rather than musically flawed. Did anyone ever call his music "garbage" or "cacaphony?"
Yes, country players on this forum have made similar remarks about Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead. I'll be the first to admit that their music is an acquired taste. At first it sounds cacaphonous and disjointed. You have to listen carefully sometimes to "get it".

I suspect that Robert was misquoted. Above we see that Tony Prior was misquoted. There are several other things in the article that sound out of character for Robert (throwing back tequila shots?), as well as the technical mistakes (calling Wetlands his "debut" album).

I suggest that this is another case of a journalist exploiting his subject to boost his own career. Either that or pure journalistic incompetence.

We shouldn't dwell on this.

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Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 17 April 2006 04:41 PM     profile     
There HAVE been blatant racial slurs of Robert Randolph, here on the Forum. Mostly by a guy who no longer posts, so I won't call his name. Out of the thousands of members of the Forum, I KNOW several who feel that RR got where he is because of his color---As if the REAL musical community had affirmative action.
This is obviously gonna be another long Robert Randolph thread, and I won't bore myself by reading it any further. Instead, I think I'll be listening to the greatest steel player ever---
BUDDY EMMONS.

[This message was edited by Stephen Gambrell on 17 April 2006 at 04:43 PM.]

Bill Hatcher
Member

From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 17 April 2006 04:45 PM     profile     
DD. I completly understand.

This is an unfortunate thing this article. I hope that RR will recant his statement or at least put some good spin on it so that everyone can understand where he was coming from.

Edit. Musicians who have had their music called garbage?? Try Stravinsky or Coltrane or Bach or Satie--it is quite a long list. I have read plenty of reviews by critics trashing plays, movies, shows, concerts etc. They never trash the person, only the work of the person.

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Ben Jones
Member

From: Washington, USA

posted 17 April 2006 04:52 PM     profile     
"Personally I'd still pay to see him if he would just wouldn't play into the left wing media hype about his status."

-that is the funniest thing i have ever read on this forum. Damn those lefties and the media they control! Always plotting to hype certain steel players in an effort to ruin this great country and turn it commie!

Ron Kirby
Member

From: Nashville ,Tennessee USA

posted 17 April 2006 04:53 PM     profile     
It's very CLEAR!! Most people like his pickin!! So Let the man pick & have FUN !! Most pros,in NASHVILLE don't care what a reporter reports. That's why, they're called PROS.!!!

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Rick Garrett
Member

From: Tyler, Texas

posted 17 April 2006 05:04 PM     profile     
Edited to keep the peace in b0b's house.

Rick

[This message was edited by Rick Garrett on 17 April 2006 at 06:05 PM.]

Bill Hatcher
Member

From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 17 April 2006 05:25 PM     profile     
Garrett. Since you took offense to my position on this, please look up some of the quotes here on the forum you speak of where someone has actually called Randolph himself any sort of a name outright and post it. I would like to see it.

NOT the comments about his playing or his music, but a blatant attack on him as a person.

Rick Garrett
Member

From: Tyler, Texas

posted 17 April 2006 05:30 PM     profile     
Hatcher, I'm speaking about the overall opinions of his music in general. There's no way you or anybody else could classify those statements as anything BUT racist or redneck. No way man. YOU look up the statements on the forum and see what they say. If you, or any other "traditional" styled picker had half of the comments made here concerning your picking as RR has you'd never contribute to this forum again. I stand by my comments.

Rick Garrett

P.S. I haven't "took offense" to anything. I simply think those statements are ludicrous.

[This message was edited by Rick Garrett on 17 April 2006 at 05:32 PM.]

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Bill Hatcher
Member

From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 17 April 2006 05:54 PM     profile     
You are still missing my point. I just looked through several years worth of postings on RR and have not found one instance where someone out and out called him a derogatory name. Plenty negative said about his music and his steel style.

Randolph made a statement that people in Nashville hate HIM. He did not say they hate his music. There is a big difference.

Mark Eaton
Member

From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA

posted 17 April 2006 06:02 PM     profile     
Perhaps Robert is referring to episodes in his life that have nothing whatever to do with The Steel Forum.

Has this ocurred to anyone?

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Rick Garrett
Member

From: Tyler, Texas

posted 17 April 2006 06:04 PM     profile     
Bill, I'll give you that BUT you gotta admit if any traditional steeler on this board had as many negative comments made about their particular style and art, they would most definately take exception to it.

Rick

Bill Hatcher
Member

From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 17 April 2006 06:23 PM     profile     
RG. I went back and spot read the majority of the RR threads in the Steel Players section. 2004 seems to be the boiling over point in the Texas Death Match between Robert Randolph and the Two Left Pedal Mashers Society. I still have not found any personal name calling directed at RR. I found plenty of negativity about his music and his Stephens bar and kicking his chair and such. I found that the general race card that most of the nay sayers played is that Randolphs race caused a stir among the press people and that was more of the reason why he was receiving such wide press. The Pedal Mashers could not fathom that a person could actually get up in front of an audience and play nothing from their ground zero of Pedal Steel knowledge which is loosely totally based around Buddy Emmons. That is the crux of the negative comments about RR. He was receiving positive critical review without playing the instrument in a style that the Pedal Mashers have ingrained into their heads is the way it is SUPPOSED to be played.

It was very refreshing to read some of the positive comments, some from the heavy Nashville players. Your comments on RR were positive also.

Until I hear more info on his statement, I remain very disappointed in what he said.

Rick Garrett
Member

From: Tyler, Texas

posted 17 April 2006 06:37 PM     profile     
Bill, I'll give you that again, BUT you gotta admit if any traditional steeler on this board had as many negative comments made about their particular style and art, they would most definately take exception to it.

As an aspiring hack steel picker, I can say without a doubt the MOST personal thing anybody could insult me with, would be my playing ability or lack thereof. So, you can't blame RR for being hurt by the comments here even though he may have said it in the wrong manner. Probably as someone already suggested, his life history possibly made him feel that way. Thanks for your understanding and willingness to discuss this in an amiable fashion.

Rick

Bill Hatcher
Member

From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 17 April 2006 06:41 PM     profile     
Yes sir. I will admit that most musicians don't take words from critics very well, but when you are a high profile pro, you have a larger bulls eye on your back than the rest of us.

I forgot to add the barbwire around the ring in the Texas Death Match.

Ben Jones
Member

From: Washington, USA

posted 17 April 2006 07:04 PM     profile     
"Perhaps Robert is referring to episodes in his life that have nothing whatever to do with The Steel Forum.
Has this ocurred to anyone? "

-I dont think it has, but that is an excellent point.

Curt Langston
Member

From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***

posted 17 April 2006 07:58 PM     profile     
quote:
Robert Randolph's "Redneck" statement is blatantly racist and blankets a whole community of mostly white steel players in Nashville.

I feel like there are some of those "mostly white steel players", that have some deep seated insecurity towards RR. Perhaps even some repressed envy. Like his style or not, he is out there promoting the steel guitar, while most of us are bickering about whether or not he is even considered a player.
Ironic, is it not? RR is actually out being seen having a good time with steel guitar, while the rest of us argue behind computers whether or not he can play.
BTW, ever notice how he smiles while playing? Not too many steel players can smile and laugh while they are wailing away with the band. Most of the pictures of other steel players that I have seen show a very serious, almost strained expression.

RR my friend, keep up the good work! I appreciate your contribution.

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Curt Langston
Member

From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***

posted 17 April 2006 07:59 PM     profile     
quote:
... be thrilled about the exposure he's giving the instrument, but there are also those who want to see it represented by music more typical of its Americana roots ...

Then get out there and do it!

Chris LeDrew
Member

From: Newfoundland, Canada

posted 17 April 2006 08:03 PM     profile     
I seriously doubt that RR gives a $#%^ what anybody says on this forum, unless the posts are from the famous pros. Fortunately, the pros on the forum (Tommy White, for instance) praise and support him. So I think he knows where he stands in the eyes of his fellow successful full-time professional steel players.......that's if he cares.
Tommy White
Member

From: Hendersonville,Tn., U.S.A.

posted 17 April 2006 08:12 PM     profile     
This will be my last reply on the subject.
Kevin Hatton,
I am of an accord with every word you've written and I could not have said it with anymore conviction, articulation or kindness. Thank you.
Bobby Lee,
Your reply rings true with all genres of music. I also believe your last reply is the most logical and intelligent way of digesting any art form.
Tony,
I believe you and support you all the way.
I have been misquoted in print countless times and have had to endure the harassing embarrassment for years following, even though untrue. Language always appears more somber and inflicting when printed. Don't worry about it.
As I said in a previous reply, I and many other professional steel guitarists here wish Robert much success and would hope only the best for him as with any musician who chooses to help in the effort to expand the steel guitar audience.
Sincerely,
Tommy White


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