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oj hicks
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From: Birmingham, Alabama, USA

posted 09 October 2001 11:45 PM     profile   send email     edit
Rick and I share the same opinion on this monster steel. I also purchased mine from Herby Wallace at a good price. Herby is a prince of a guy to do business with. I play mine through a Nashville 400 (with mods). I have also played it through a Marshal full tube amp. . . great sound! I did an analysis on the degrees of slant on the 1st through 3rd frets and found it to be comprable to my Rick Bakelite 6 string. The strings are very well placed for an 8 string --- considerably wider than the JB Frypan. It is the best sounding lap steel I have ever played.

oj hicks

Rick Aiello
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From: Berryville, VA USA

posted 10 October 2001 07:59 AM     profile   send email     edit
Howdy OJ, nice to see you postin' again. It was that "slant analysis" you did that sold me on the Sierra. I looked for it in My Files but I must have lost it when my system crashed this summer. I'm sure many "die-hard 22" scale players" (I used to be one)would be interested in seeing the relationship between string space and scale length.

Thanks for that email about a year ago!!!!!!

jeffstro
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posted 11 October 2001 05:24 PM           edit
I'd love to see an analysis of scale length! My guitars are 22.5. I've heard that harmonics are sustain are easier to obtain on a 24.5 scale, but that for slants, a short scale is essential. In JB's video course, I think he stated (please don't quote me) that the frets are more mathematically correct for slants on a short scale. If you happen to have a detailed analysis, I'd love to see it! My string spacing is about 3/8 I think.

Thanks!

Rick Aiello
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From: Berryville, VA USA

posted 11 October 2001 07:27 PM     profile   send email     edit
I found a hard copy of the analysis Oakley sent me. I couldn't figure out how to get the diagram posted so I'll try to explain the legend

A= Distance between Fret 1 and 2
B= Distance between Fret 1 and 3
C= Distance between Fret 1 and 4
D= Space between String 1 and 2
E= Space between String 1 and 3
F= Space between String 1 and 4
G= Angle of forward slant from Fret 1 to 3

DIMENSIONS FOR THE THREE GUITARS ARE AS FOLLOWS:
[All dimensions are in inches, as measured on my guitars with a ruler calibrated in 1/32 of an inch. Dimensions may vary slightly from guitar to guitar of even the same make. But this should give some idea of the degree of angle on the bar on the nonpedal guitars under consideration.


A=Frypan=1.1265;Rick=1.1719;Sierra=1.250
B=Frypan=2.2656;Rick=2.3125;Sierra=2.4676
C=Frypan=3.2813;Rick=3.3594;Sierra=3.5937
D=Frypan=0.3281;Rick=0.3646;Sierra=0.3385
E=Frypan=0.9843;Rick=1.0938;Sierra=1.0155
G=Frypan=66.5172;Rick=64.6861;Sierra= 67.6312 (degrees)

Consider a forward bar slant across strings 3 to 1, and from fret 1 to 3. The angle the bar would subtend in that movement is approximately as follows:

The arctan of G is B/E. For the Frypan: 66.5172 degrees; For the Rick: 64.6861 degrees; For the Sierra: 67.6312 degrees. To give some idea of how small the difference in these angles are, comparing the Sierra and Frypan consider the following:

The difference in the angle through which the bar pivots: 67.6312 degrees less 66.5172 degrees =1.1139 degrees difference with the Sierra moving the greater amount.

Or another way of evaluating just how much the tip of the bar on the Frypan would move by holding the pivot point on string 3 at fret one and allowing the hypotenuse of the triangle to be the radius of the arc one is swinging with the bar, the bar on the Frypan would have to move an additional 48 thousands of an inch, just slightly over 1/32th of an inch, and less than 1/16th of an inch. Pretty small

Interestingly, the Rick requires the lesser angle of the 3 guitars, with the Frypan second, and the Sierra a close third. Well, that's about all the damage I can do, Rick. The reverse slants should subtend the same angle from string three to string one if the slant is conducted on the same frets under consideration. So, the Sierra, with the long scale will require greater movement up and down the neck (but not a bunch as it is only about 1 3/4 inches longer from bridge to nut, and the string spacing is almost as wide apart as the 6 string Rickenbacker.

Oakley Hicks.


Thanks again Oakley


[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 11 October 2001 at 07:33 PM.]

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