INSTRUCTION STRINGS CDs & TAPES LINKS MAGAZINES

  The Steel Guitar Forum
  No Peddlers
  Jerry Byrd’s Cold Cold Heart Tab in Diatonic Tuning

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
your profile | join | preferences | help | search

next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Jerry Byrd’s Cold Cold Heart Tab in Diatonic Tuning
Jack Byrd
Member

From: Kalamazoo, Michigan

posted 03 January 2002 06:48 AM     profile   send email     edit

Through the kind help of Andy Volk the tab for Cold Cold Heart referenced in my posting concerning his diatonic tuning is now available for all to download. The tab consists of three pages so you will have to download all three to get the complete song. As I stated in the referenced posting on his diatonic tuning, Jerry consented to posting this tablature of a very popular tune so that those of you who are interested in learning more about how to play using his diatonic tuning would have a song familiar to many to start out on and maybe you can now learn what this tuning will do for you and the many possibilities it has. Good luck in your endeavors at learning and playing Cold Cold Heart in his diatonic tuning. Just click on the following links and you will have it in his own handwriting.

http://picturehost.net/av/003.jpg http://picturehost.net/av/004.jpg http://picturehost.net/av/005.jpg

Paul Graupp
Member

From: Macon Ga USA

posted 03 January 2002 08:00 AM     profile   send email     edit
Jack; Thanks a million to you and Jerry for the tab. I have printed a copy for me and one for Frank, the guy who sent his regards to Jerry via me a few weeks back. Thanks Again !!

Regards, Paul

c c johnson
Member

From: killeen,tx usa

posted 03 January 2002 08:12 AM     profile   send email     edit
I heard from Jerry a few days ago. He states that he was informed that he is the last surviving member of the Renfro Vally Barndance and so it looks like he could go at anytime. I wrote back that if he dies on me I'll never speak to him again. Lets all hope that Jerry has man many years left. A great friend.. CC
Philip Bender
Member

From: North Vernon, IN, USA

posted 03 January 2002 08:58 AM     profile   send email     edit
Jack,
Thank you so much for your efforts on Jerry's Diatonic tuning. He is and has been my Idol for over 50 years, since the days on the Midwestern Hayride on WLW.
Just a note on the tuning, in that as you can see on the tabs, the firts 12- 11 slant on the diatonic is much easier to get than on the C 6th tuning, and follows on through with most of the work. But as has been said, muting is the key, and I still do not have it down yet.
Again thanks to you and your brother for all you have done,

Your friend,
Phil Bender

Andy Volk
Member

From: Boston, MA

posted 04 January 2002 08:22 AM     profile   send email     edit
I'm kinda surprised this thread isn't flooded with responses. Seems to me it's an unprecedented event when Jerry Byrd, probably the most revered steeler alive, offers up the key to the kingdom ... the first tab he's ever made available for his diatonic tuning. People have been wondering for 50 years how he does it and now we know. Big thanks to Jerry & Jack for this info. As I've put the time into the JB diatonic I really see a richness and playability I haven't been able to discover in the Leavitt tuning. As a song, Cold Cold Heart has never been one of my favorities. But as a road map for how to think about JB's diatonic tuning these charts are priceless.
Rick Aiello
Member

From: Berryville, VA USA

posted 04 January 2002 10:07 AM     profile   send email     edit
I'm just glad that those who have never seen one of JB's Pro-Arrangements have a chance to see one. Those hand written babies are "PRICELESS" but ironically they are quite inexpensive.

For those who want to see his total offerings:
http://www.scottysmusic.com/byrdsonglist.htm

Although these are listed on Scottys site - you have to get them from JB himself.

I'll have to leave the Diatonic stuff to y'all - most of it's allure is lost on me 'cause of this lump of flesh I call my right hand.

Fernando Fernandez
Member

From: Cadiz,Spain

posted 04 January 2002 10:51 AM     profile   send email     edit
Wow!!!!!!!
Thanks to Jerry and Jack Byrd one more time!!!
This TAB is really a treasure.
Dave Mayes
Member

From: Piedmont, Ca.

posted 05 January 2002 05:32 PM     profile   send email     edit
Jerry has a C6th arrangement of this tune in his Pro - Arrangements Catalog. They're somewhat similar to each other and a comparison between the two nicely demonstrates some of the characteristics the tunings share.
I for one hope Jerry will consider including the remainder of his Diatonic arrangements in his Pro - Arrangements Catalog.
Keith Grubb
Member

From: Petaluma, CA, USA

posted 30 January 2002 08:48 AM     profile   send email     edit
Hey Guys,

I'm wodering how everyone is doing with this tab. I just recently tried this tuning out and I think it is very rich. Does anyone know how Jerry plays the 4 or 5 string chords on string 6, 5, 4, 3 and 1? Anyways, I love this tab and only wish that Mr. Byrd would release any other diatonic tab that he has.

Thanks Jerry and Jack,

Keith

Dave Mayes
Member

From: Piedmont, Ca.

posted 30 January 2002 10:51 AM     profile   send email     edit
Keith,
I think it would be safe to say that Jerry handles that chord situation with a thumb strum across the lower four strings, quickly followed by the first or middle finger catching the top note. It takes a little practice to make the chord sound like a fast uninterupted (space) stum. Good Luck.
jeffstro
unregistered
posted 30 January 2002 12:11 PM           edit
Jack,

Thanks again for being the link between JB (our hero) and the steel guitar forum!

I have most of his catalog arrangements, and would love to see Diatonic tab and info available in the catalog. I also can't wait for his autobiography. I'm sure you'll let us know when it's avialable.

Mahalo!

Keith Grubb
Member

From: Petaluma, CA, USA

posted 30 January 2002 12:29 PM     profile   send email     edit
Thanks Dave,

I tried that approach to playing the 5 note chords initially and couldn't think of a better way to do it. So it looks like I'm on the right track. Just give me a few months and I might sound halfway decent.

Keith

Jack Byrd
Member

From: Kalamazoo, Michigan

posted 30 January 2002 03:48 PM     profile   send email     edit
In a recent communication Jerry informed me that the posting on the forum of his tab in the diatonic tuning for Cold Cold Heart was the first public release he has done for that tuning. As I stated before he said he has not included the diatonic tab for the 6-8 songs that he has it for in his catalog because no one has really mastered the tuning and it wouldn't be ecomonically advantageous to him to do so. He has given the tab for the tuning to a very few players he thought could master it but they couldn't. For those of you who want the tab, I would suggest you contact Jerry and see if you can get enough of you together to influence him to go ahead and add it to his catalog. His address is;

Jerry Byrd
P.O. Box 15026
Honolulu, Hawaii 96830

I know he would like to see it carried on by someone so maybe there is someone out there that will master it and carry it forward.

Rick Garrett
Member

From: Tyler, Texas

posted 30 January 2002 05:35 PM     profile   send email     edit
Diatonic tuning question? Is it E-C-B?-A-G-F-E

Cant tell if its a B or a D. Thanks in advance for your help.

Rick

Jack Byrd
Member

From: Kalamazoo, Michigan

posted 30 January 2002 06:15 PM     profile   send email     edit
Jerry's diatonic tuning is E C B A G F E
Paul Graupp
Member

From: Macon Ga USA

posted 31 January 2002 06:42 AM     profile   send email     edit
Jack: From way back in the time machine.....
I recall reading somewhere that Jerry had an eight year old student who one time played for a "packed house" and there wasn't a dry eye in that crowd !! He must have been very good !! Who was that boy and what became of him ?? Jerry mentions teaching the young ones and maybe there is one of those who can; or has; mastered the muting on this tuning......

Or it may be, like other legends, The Curies; Tesla; Edison and Einstein; Jerry is a once only happening. You can count on one hand the steel guitarist's who can truly be said to play in the "BYRD TRADITION !!" C6th or any tuning for that matter........

Best Regards, Paul

Dave Mayes
Member

From: Piedmont, Ca.

posted 01 February 2002 08:25 AM     profile   send email     edit
I started to work on this arrangement last night, and was smugly thinking to myself...."this ain't so hard". Then I got to measures 5,6, and 8 of the 2nd page: (palm harmonics section)... and ...OMG..Jerry plays those slant chords as palm harmonics !? Maybe Jerry just got a little sloppy in his notation ? - (yeah, right). Just hoping for an out. Any thoughts?
Rick Aiello
Member

From: Berryville, VA USA

posted 01 February 2002 09:09 AM     profile   send email     edit
There is no mistake in the notation

He often employs slant PH in his arrangements - this isn't just a "diatonic tuning" manuver.

Probably the most difficut passage I've encountered is the following palm harmonic work from one of my favorite songs (Strings 1 and 2.. C6)


17 17 15 15 13 13 12 10
17 17 16 16 14 14 12 10 12 11 10
12 11 10

followed alittle later by

15 15 13 13 12 12 10 8 7 6 5
16 16 14 14 12 12 10 9 8 7 5

The reverse slant work that high up is tough enough ... I usually just "skip" the PH part of this passage myself...I'm just a coward.

I hope he doesn't mind me putting this up

[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 01 February 2002 at 09:49 AM.]

Andy Volk
Member

From: Boston, MA

posted 01 February 2002 01:33 PM     profile   send email     edit
Chords played in harmonics very high up the neck laced with vibrato have a visceral, chalk-on-the-blackboard effect on me. I start to twitch and my filings vibrate. I avoid that particular maneuver as both player & listener. Must be a central nervous system thing.
Jack Byrd
Member

From: Kalamazoo, Michigan

posted 23 February 2002 01:01 PM     profile   send email     edit
In a recent communication with Jerry he discussed palm harmonics which are a part of his Cold Cold Heart tab that was posted in his diatonic tuning. Some questioned how he was doing these in a slant position. Here is his reply.

Actually I am not doing it as they think. They are filling that in themselves. Let me explain. Most of the time, although I can do three string strums occasionally, where it fits, mostly I do either single or two string harmony. Now there is one way I do it that the leader of the two strings, like playing the first and second string, the second string would be harmonic and the first string would be open. So you get a different sound then, but the way I do it with my hand when I want both strings to be a harmonic I just tilt my right hand (picking hand) down a little bit to where I use the thumb pick on those two strings, as the second string is picked first and the top string last. So by moving my hand over a little bit I can get both strings as harmonic if I wish.

Now on three strings usually you do it on a straight line. A slant, depends on the tuning. But I can do it by my picking hand, if I’m doing a forward slant for instance, say first string on 7th fret, 2nd on 6th and 3rd on 5th, you’ve got the 5,6,7, stair step. So I take my thumb pick and go on an angle, the palm of my hand which makes the harmonic goes on an angle from left to right, the same angle the bar is held in, and that’s not easy to do but I do it in some places. Now, I do another thing that I discovered during a session in Dallas, Texas. I can pick the top string by using my first finger pick (index finger pick) and picking backwards with that pick. The top string is harmonic and the bottom two open; I can pick three strings much easier. The bottom strings are either open or harmonic. I did this on Golondrina on the Hi-Fi guitar album. I just stumbled on it that day during the session, and it came out beautifully. That is another trick you guys can cogitate over. But the top strings are harmonic and the bottom strings are open or the other way the bottom strings are harmonic and the top strings are open. And they are a lot easier to do this way than the other, I can play in real high register as on that record and I can get every one of them just as clear as a bell. So that’s the deal on harmonics.

Jack Byrd
Member

From: Kalamazoo, Michigan

posted 23 February 2002 01:04 PM     profile   send email     edit
Keith and Dave,
The way Dave described playing 4 or 5 string chords is how Jerry plays them.
Dave Mayes
Member

From: Piedmont, Ca.

posted 24 February 2002 12:39 PM     profile   send email     edit
Jack,

Thanks so much for relaying my "harmonics dilemma" to your brother. And a big thank you to Jerry for so generously expanding on the subject of harmonics.

P Gleespen
Member

From: Lakewood, OH USA (I miss Boston!)

posted 12 November 2002 07:05 AM     profile   send email     edit
This is so VERY cool, I just thought I'd give it a bump, for those who missed it the first time around...
John Kavanagh
Member

From: Kentville, Nova Scotia, Canada

posted 12 November 2002 07:45 AM     profile   send email     edit
What does the > sign mean? I can't quite read his explanation on the scan. Looks like "spirt string"...
Rick Aiello
Member

From: Berryville, VA USA

posted 12 November 2002 08:17 AM     profile   send email     edit
The > (turned down) ... followed by the line .....

Tells you to pick THAT note or combination (under the <) and play the remaining notes (under the line) via the slide (gliss) ...

Pausing long enough to "sound" those notes without pickin' 'em.

[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 12 November 2002 at 11:54 AM.]

Jeff Strouse
Member

From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA

posted 12 November 2002 03:30 PM     profile   send email     edit
By the way, Jerry now has about 11 Diatonic tabs added to his catalog of arrangements!

John Bechtel
Member

From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.

posted 13 November 2002 12:58 AM     profile   send email     edit
I've been playing around with the Diatonic tuning for quite a few years. To me, it is one of J.B.'s greatest contributions to the world of steel guitar! The very first tune that I started with was "Come A Little Closer". It seemed to be the less complicated at the time. Then I also moved on to Serenade To Nalani and Waltz Tropical, Danny Boy, Stranger On The Shore and many others. However, I didn't have tabliture to learn anything that I do on either non-pedal nor pedal-steel except my initial Hawaiian Guitar 6str. lessons back in '48. Everything I've learned in both styles has come from listening. Thanks to the recording industry! I've been playing for 54 yrs. and started on non-pedal guitar but, have also played pedal steel since about '54, and still like the Diatonic so much that I simulate it on my pedal-steel by lowering the C on my C6th to B and on another change raises the E to F which gives me the tuning on 5 strs. rather than 7strs., But; I try to do it in a way that does not betray the non-pedal sound! So, I'm kinda cheating a little. I always say "instead of imitating a pedal-steel on the C-Diatonic, I'm imitating the C-Diatonic with the pedal-steel. It's really hard to distinguish between them, if I dare say so myself! But, if you have any doubts, you can ask Scotty, because he has a (poor-quality)home made tape that I sent him and he has heard my work. Long live my friend, Jerry Byrd! Keoni Nui {"BigJohn"} Nashville, TN.
Ray Montee
Member

From: Portland, OR, USA

posted 13 November 2002 09:54 PM     profile   send email     edit
John, I was messing around one day on E9th and stumbled onto the diatonic tuning by using one foot pedal and a knee lever. At this moment, I can't recall which ones they were but it was right there and sounded pretty decent. I have the standard Emmons set up.

All times are Pacific (US)

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | Catalog of Pedal Steel Music Products

Note: Messages not explicitly copyrighted are in the Public Domain.


Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46

The greatest musical hands in the world, now on CD!
"Legends of the Incredible Lap Steel"