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HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 26 March 2002 05:34 PM     profile   send email     edit
If you should never send a boy to do a man's job, then you should never send a Dobro player to a steel guitar convention.

What does that mean? Darned if I know but now that you're here, you might as well read on.....

One thing that is prevalent on this forum is that when somebody discovers something great, they want to let the world know about it. That's just what I'm doing here.

As much as I love the steel guitar, with or without pedals, I am first and foremost(maybe foreleast the way I play)a Dobro player. "Dobro" being known as any resonator just as "Kleenex" is any tissue. I was not expecting to attend the Dallas Steel Show and be completely blown away by resophonic guitars.

I believe that we are in a golden age of lutherie and there are many custom builders of resophonic guitars who excel in this field turning out exceptional instruments. I am not here to make comparisons nor to dissect price stuctures. There are other threads for that. This is about Benoit guitars, some of the most beautiful resonators that I have ever seen and heard. I spent more time playing various Benoit resonators at the show, then I have in the last two years. It's nice to come back to your roots.

Carroll Benoit uses some of the finest and exotic SOLID WOODS. The finishing touches and thought that goes into these is tremendously apparent. Carroll is a fine gentleman and a pleasure to know.

" A thousand words could be worth a picture." That's what Jody Carver taught me and so here are some pictures..

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HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 26 March 2002 05:59 PM     profile   send email     edit
This is the 10 string that Carroll built. With the collaboration of Roy Thomas (Pedalmaster Steel Guitars) and Maurice Anderson, this turned out to be an exceptional instrument.



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HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 26 March 2002 06:44 PM     profile   send email     edit
This photo of the 10 string was taken by Kenny Davis.

Brad Bechtel
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posted 26 March 2002 08:10 PM     profile   send email     edit
Oooh. Aaah. Thanks for the photos!

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HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 26 March 2002 08:15 PM     profile   send email     edit
Brad, maybe a cold shower is in order..
Kenny Davis
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From: Great State of Oklahoma

posted 26 March 2002 10:07 PM     profile   send email     edit
Howard - Don't forget this one -

What surprises me about Carroll's guitars, is the standard features that you would normally pay extra for on other custom instruments. Also, he has the best reso website around, full of great pictures and information. He and his wife Anita are also a joy to visit with, and I look forward to seeing them in Dallas each year.

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Mike D
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From: Phx, Az

posted 27 March 2002 06:44 AM     profile   send email     edit
Wow! Thanks for the pics, I for one can never get enough of great guitar porn. Maybe a cold shower IS in order.
Gene Jones
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From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 27 March 2002 07:30 AM     profile     edit
Howard....I know that we were trying to find each other but never did...we must have passed in the hallways more than once..maybe next time, and give Jody my regards. Gene
Rick Garrett
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From: Tyler, Texas

posted 27 March 2002 02:25 PM     profile   send email     edit
Those guitars are absolutely some of the most beautiful craftmanship I've ever laid eyes on. Talk about tone. WOW Reece had that thing sounding like a little piece of heaven. FINE!!!

Rick Garrett

Buck Dilly
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From: Branchville, NJ, USA

posted 27 March 2002 03:34 PM     profile   send email     edit
So you bought one, right?
HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 29 March 2002 12:56 PM     profile   send email     edit
Gene, I'm sorry that we didn't get a chance to meet and shake hands. I have always enjoyed and learned from your posts. Jody always speaks highly of you...or maybe he was high when he spoke of you. I can never tell with him...

Buck, yes I did. There was no way that I was leaving Dallas without a Benoit resonator.

Jon Light
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From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 29 March 2002 01:06 PM     profile   send email     edit
Boy, he really does have a fine website. It's fun browsing it and trying to choose your favorite wood options. So which guitar did you get, Howard? How may strings? What wood combination?

------also--none of the pictures, here or on his site, satisfy my curiosity. The 'saddle' or 'yoke' look of the face of his two tone tops--what am I seeing? Spliced together woods? Inlay? I can't make it out.

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HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 29 March 2002 08:16 PM     profile   send email     edit
Hi Jon. I'll make a correction here if you've read this previously. The guitar in the first photo is redwood burl with maple inlay on both sides of the fretboard. It is one fantastic sounding guitar. I bought a six string engelman spruce with flamed California walnut which I'll post a photo and speak about with regard to sound and my reasons for picking that one shortly.

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Andy Volk
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From: Boston, MA

posted 30 March 2002 05:14 AM     profile   send email     edit
I have a flamed Koa Benoit with an Englemman Spruce top with very subtle, beautiful Curly Koa binding. I bought mine last year based on talking to a number of people on the phone - including Reece Anderson. Everyone raved about 'em. If you compare the details in the craftsmanship and exotics to other builders I think you'll find that while not inexpensive, Benoits are currently underpriced. As I've said in other threads, you really have to see and hear these guitars. They're among the finest I've ever seen or played.
HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 31 March 2002 11:17 AM     profile   send email     edit
Here are photos of the spruce/walnut that I chose....


HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 31 March 2002 12:34 PM     profile   send email     edit
Ok, " Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder ", so when the honeymoon is over, there had better be substance, otherwise it's ebay or divorce court.

What I'm lightheartedly saying here is that "sound matters." In making my choice I was as objective as I could possibly be.

If you go to ebay, you'll see the imported Dobros in various colors. Why would a red $399.00 Dobro have 10 bids while the green one right below it has two bids? It must be the cone,...yeah right. It's mass market consumer appeal, " flavor of the month ."

Now, I've never been attracted to a blonde... ....resonator guitar that is . It was always the sunburst or deeper color for me. I had to put that out of my thoughts, in order choose the best quality of sound and tone for me, regardless of asthetics. Not an easy thing to do.

When I first met Carrol, he explained and showed to me the various tone woods. I marveled at their appearance but I deliberetly did not memorize which wood was which. I decided to remain oblivious (not difficult for me) equating the beauty of the wood to which guitar it was. I did not want to be predjudiced by exotic names, rarety,or expense of such. I wanted to make my choice based solely and purely on sound and tone. What I look for is resonance, clarity, separation, and presence. There must be a certain amount of brightness and bass without being overly heavy on those ends, along with a good middle range of tone.

I spent many hours on the Friday of the Dallas Show comparing the 9 various resonators. By Saturday it came down to two. I will say that there was not one that did not have excellent qualities of my criteria listed above. I was looking for "stellar" quality, for me, anyway. There were others who had their opinions of what was best and it was interesting. A beautiful f-hole resonator, while not the sound for me, was constantly being played by a fellow who couldn't put it down. Everyday he was there playing that one only.

It came down to two guitars; the spruce/walnut and the redwood with maple inlay that is in the very first photo. They are both fantastic sounding. The redwood/maple is more pleasing to my eye than the spruce/walnut. As much as I played the redwood and tried to convince myself that it was " my huckleberry ", there was just something about the walnut that had a little bit more of an edge, for me. The sound was equal but the walnut just seemed to feel, handle, and play just a little smoother, to me. It's difficult to even put this into words. It's like you own six pair of jeans. They're all the same style, cut and size. You bought them all at the Gap, BUT, there's one, just one pair that you favor for some reason. Maybe your belly doesn't quite hang over the beltline like the others. Maybe your butt looks just a little better in them, so you think. It's that type of thing.

So, I made what I honestly thought was the wisest, most objective decision. No regrets. I'm thrilled, as if it's not too apparent.

Whoever ends up with that redwood though, will be one happy camper......

Mike Black
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From: New Mexico, USA

posted 31 March 2002 02:31 PM     profile   send email     edit
Hi Howard glad you made it home safe. It was very nice to meet you. Hope Easter is good for you. Got any more Cigars?
I set one of these Benoits on my lap, now Tab Tabscott I'm not, but they sure do sound nice. Very well built and good tone.
Everything you said is true, but I got an old (like 28/29) Dobro I inherited from my pal "Buck" Wayne Johnston, it was actually given to me by Buck's and my pal and the owner, Tom Turman. To have another Reso (though that 8 stringer would have been allowed under the grandfather clause )in the house is out of the question. You think Noel's Custom is expensive? A 100 grand wouldn't buy this old guitar. I can't even think about this axe with out getting weepy. And that goes ditto for those old triples you seen. Money can't, no, won't, really buy anything!
Hey Ricky Garrett, It was a real pleasure getting to meet you! I got a great shot of you and Wolf. As soon as I can down load it I'll send you a jpg.
The TSG Jamboree was a first for me. Not enough Western Swing to keep me happy but the bar was real handy And getting the pleasure of hearing Janee Keener on the Fiddle was grand! I love good fiddlin and she plays. And fellas she ain't hard on the eyes either! Now if she was only 40 and not 20.....(a hot fiddle playin' girlfriend? maybe in my dreams!) My only beef was starting the Dance at midnight, the place was empty. That ought to start at 10 and go to 1. My other only beef, was where was all them cowgirls you was telling me about?
I really had a great week. Dancing to the GREATEST Western Swing Band on the planet with Rich O'Brien's beautiful wife Valerie,on my birthday no less! Getting to meet and greet not just steel players, but Steel LEGENDS. I mean CATS, Tom Morrell, Speedy West, Walter Haynes, Pee Wee Whitewing, Jackie Thompson, Denny Mathis, Ralph Mooney, Billy Robinson, Ben Jack, Skip Montee, Bob Sies, Johnny and Joan Cox, Lynn Owsley, Dewitt Scott, Deacon Anderson, Bob Knight (you do pick, don't you Bob?). I even met THE Internationaly World Famous Smiley what's his name? and Mr SS Hawiian hisself, Ricky Davis. Gene Jones, sorry I missed you!
BTW. the trip to meet Jr Blankenship was a gas. I'd never been "Panhandlin" before but the line of that song that says "I ain't seen nothing but flat since I don't know when" ain't a lie. I haven't seen anything that flat since Ally McBeal! LOL
Goombah you seeing this? I know I know, "it's gonna cost me more than I think"!

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HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 31 March 2002 03:55 PM     profile   send email     edit
Hi Mike. It was good to meet you too. It was a gas. Those maduros they had at the gift shop were pretty good. I also enjoyed meeting many forumites whether I have corresponded with them previously or not. And yes, the music was the best.

Interesting to me is what is being played on resonators. Rob Ickes is certainly carving a niche for himself as he is taking the "Dobro" beyond it's usual boundries. I'm fascinated by steel players who are laying down their styles on acoustic, implementing steel techniques in their playing. Gary Morse, a steel player, has put out a fine CD, "Resophonic Rodeo," of western swing (mostly) on 7 string. As mentioned several times, Maurice Anderson on 8 & 10 string with virtuosity and a subtle delicacy of performance. At the show I had purchased a few CDs of Tom Morrell and the Time - Warp Tophands and there is a good amount of Dobro playing by Tom. He plays with immpeccable clean tone and has a Djangoesque (is that a word?) style on some of the tunes. Well, if it's all in the hands as they say, then I gotta get me some of them things!

Mike, glad your trip to the Panhandle was a success. I'll catch up with you via email..

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HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 31 March 2002 04:16 PM     profile   send email     edit
On another interesting note, I had the opportunity to meet and speak with Robert Randolph yesterday. He was playing last night in NY and I was dropping off a non pedal steel to him, but that's another thread. Anyhow, we were shooting the breeze and he mentioned that he wished he had his Dobro with him. I would have loved to see and hear him play that. He plays six string. He said that he just gotten back from San Francisco. Hmmmm, was'nt that a song,? " I left my Dobro in San Francisco."...

Several times in the past I've mentioned this and I'll mention it again. Anyone who would like to try any instrument that I own, acoustic or electric, you're welcome to do so. I have a shop in NYC (nothing to do with music) and a large private office where I keep a small Fender amp. So if you're in NY, passing through, visiting, or running from the law, feel free (ha) to send me an email to arrange this.

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Mike Black
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From: New Mexico, USA

posted 31 March 2002 05:01 PM     profile   send email     edit
Howard, Tom uses a 6 stringer built by Bob Venn of the famous Roberto Venn school of Lutherie in AZ. Glad you picked up some of the How the West was Swung series. When I first got on the steel the guys were telling me I had to have pedals and play E9. I was almost convinced and was looking at an older Sho~Bud. Then I heard Vol #4, Pterodactyl Ptales. I wore out that tape pretty quick. I was floored, that was EXACTLY what I wanted to play. When I found out he used an old Bigsby with no pedals I made up my mind to NEVER use 'em.
One thing that Tom doesn't really want is an old timey tone. And he dosen't treat Western Swing and Cowboy music like it's a dead gendre. His playing and style are all that WS has come thru in the last 50 years. On a recent drive to Seattle with Vol#12, Stylin', in the CD player it dawned on me what Tom is.
Here's my thought: Tom Morrell is Duke Ellington introducing Joaquin Murphey to Miles Davis, playing like Barney Kessel, thinking like Bud Powell, with the soulful simplicity of Bobby Koefer and the graceful delivery of Frank Sinatra, all done to a Bill Evans arrangement of a Cindy Walker song!
Over the last 7 or 8 years Tommy and I have become friends and I treasure his friendship. At the Dallas show I bought that incredible Bigsby and it's sitting to my right, 3 feet away plugged into an old Fender Super amp. With Bucks Dobro and now this steel I am a blessed man.
I told Tom in a private moment at the Jamboree what he and his friendship ment to me. My respect and admiration for his playing and his comitment to keeping Western Swing vibrant and really swinging. I told him what I felt about him selling me his old Bigsby and what my plans were for it.
I told him the bit I'd thought up on the way to Seattle, he laughed. I also told him I hope one day to be worthy of this guitar.
The first melody I found on that E tuning of his was an old tune I heard Sinatra sing, "Autumn in New York" I was sitting at the bar to his right, he was talking with some people to his left. He overheard me trying to figure that melody out. He over heard me even though he was in another conversation and laughed again. "Hoss, he said, the best you can do on it is find the melody, it's a hard song with lots of changes. It's in F, it goes to G minor then to A minor when you figure that much out call me and I'll give you some more of it."
I'll never know exactly why he let me of all people have that steel. But then maybe the fact that most beginners are working on Cold Cold Heart and I'm tring to figure out a Sinatra song is where the answer lies

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HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 31 March 2002 05:40 PM     profile   send email     edit
Mike, I'm enjoying " How The West Was Swung " very much. You're right, there's a smooth classy sound to this series. I really like the " Uptown " CD. What tuning is Tom using on his Dobro?
Mike Black
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From: New Mexico, USA

posted 31 March 2002 05:50 PM     profile   send email     edit
DBGDBG
My old dobro has an E in there, DBGEDG
Make sure you scoop the whole series of How the West was Swung. Also I highly Recommend Craig Chambers 3 WR releases for more of Tom's playing.Check out the WR web site at www.westernswing.net
Another obscure tape that has Tom and Guitar great Leon Chambers on it is a tape by John Stout called "The End of the Line" You might be able to get it from Ernest Tubb's record shop. Come to think of it that tape was lost when my car was stolen last summer!

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Andy Volk
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From: Boston, MA

posted 31 March 2002 05:56 PM     profile   send email     edit
Yeah, Mike, Pterodactyl Ptales really turned my head around too. He just soars through the changes like Tal Farlow on "I can't give you anything but love" and then turns around and plays with consumate taste on the ballads. It's not fair to have that much talent! His blocking is so clean that Tom's resophonic playing often sounds like standard acoustic guitar. Chris O'Connor's vocals on "Uptown" are world-class too.

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Mike Black
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From: New Mexico, USA

posted 01 April 2002 10:18 PM     profile   send email     edit
Andy, listen to Vol #11 in between the girl singers are instros all done on Dobro. I'm getting away from the original topic of Benoit resos (Buy one Today) here so I'll lay out. As Bob would say "Take it away Howard...."
HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 02 April 2002 08:43 AM     profile   send email     edit
I'm sure it's more like " Take Howard away."

Good of you to drop by, Mike. Stop in for a maduro and a bock anytime.

Mark van Allen
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From: loganville, Ga. USA

posted 02 April 2002 11:51 AM     profile   send email     edit
Howard, thanks for the pics and info on those beautiful axes. Looks like a builder I'll have to check out for sure. Reading your post I think I see what I've been doing wrong though, I've always chosen my Reso guitars for how they make my butt look...
Larry Tresnicky
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From: Colleyville, Texas, USA

posted 03 April 2002 06:48 PM     profile   send email     edit
Howard, It was a pleasure to meet you in Dallas - Just got back from upstate N.Y. & didn't have time to visit (maybe next trip)
Benoit"s Dobros: I bought our 1st Benoit, for my wife, Phyllis 3 years ago at the Dallas show (the only one he had on display)
We flew to his home (shop) & had a custom gold plated, engraved Madagascar wood (front & back) made to order, not knowing how it would sound or look. As you will probably concur,not only is it one of the finest looking dobros around but the sound is even better than it looks. Anyone at the show that had the good fortune to hear "Reese" Anderson playing in Benoit's room will attest to to that (he was playing that dobro)

P.S. What about those kick butt MSA flag caps?

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HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 04 April 2002 05:35 PM     profile   send email     edit
Larry, likewise, it was a pleasure meeting you both. The Madagascar ebony with the gold engraved coverplate is a work of art with beautiful full tone. I have never seen anything like that before. I think that we are all happy campers. Hope to see you both again sometime in the near future.

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