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HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 19 August 2002 08:55 PM     profile   send email     edit



HowardR
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posted 19 August 2002 08:56 PM     profile   send email     edit

HowardR
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posted 19 August 2002 08:59 PM     profile   send email     edit

HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 19 August 2002 09:01 PM     profile   send email     edit


and there you have it..."The Phoenix"

George Keoki Lake
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From: Edmonton, AB., Canada

posted 19 August 2002 09:37 PM     profile     edit
Absolutely stunning!!! Wow, I can only drool at the sight of such an awesome instrument. Congratulations !!!!
Jody Carver
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From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 19 August 2002 10:49 PM     profile     edit
Howard
I will find it difficult sleeping tonight,,
I'll dream of your guitar. Just your guitar
not you. use it in good health and I wish
you nothing but the best with your new baby.

Jody

CrowBear Schmitt
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From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

posted 20 August 2002 01:12 AM     profile   send email     edit
Howard, if your chops are up to par w: an axe like that you're definitely on your way to the Holy Land.
Congratulations...
Jon Light
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From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 20 August 2002 03:53 AM     profile   send email     edit
*****sigh****

even the case is exciting.

Man, congratulations.

Andy Volk
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From: Boston, MA

posted 20 August 2002 04:11 AM     profile   send email     edit
Especially form the back, it seems to say "mmmmm, come up and see me some time."

Congratulations, Howard.

Walter Jones
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From: Athens, Ohio USA

posted 20 August 2002 06:34 AM     profile   send email     edit
Intruders Beware, either Howard has come up with a new style bar to go with a great looking guitar or, those look like 12 ga slugs sitting on the bottom shelf right beside the guitar. Insured by Winchester.
Andy Zynda
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From: Wisconsin

posted 20 August 2002 06:35 AM     profile   send email     edit
My God man, have you no pity? You can't just flash a holy grail at someone and expect them to be able to ever look at another axe the same way again do you?
Well??
Do you ??!

I've been playing for 36+ years, and that is hands down, the most outstanding guitar I've ever laid eyes on. If it sounds even half as good as it looks, you have a milestone in the history of the guitar.
Congratulations, and yes, I'd be happy to be a beta tester!!

-andy-

HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 20 August 2002 07:34 AM     profile   send email     edit
Andy, I would consider you for a beta tester but the job has been given to Jody Carver, the master.....

Walter, yes, insured by Winchester, the kind of insurance that people understand. That reminds me of a sign that a buddy has on his workshop door. It reads, "Is there life after death? Tresspass here and find out"

Ok, all nonsense aside, I have serious thoughts and things to share with regard to this fantastic guitar. From the thoughts behind it's conception to it's construction etc.....can't do this at work but I will this evening.

Larry Tresnicky
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From: Colleyville, Texas, USA

posted 20 August 2002 07:43 AM     profile   send email     edit
Howard!!!!!!
What a spectical! The Phoenix is a beauty.
(and that's an understatement) Carroll Benoit is truly an artisan of the highest caliber. As an owner of a Madagascar Benoit
(really my wife's) this one surely will get her attention.
Our next trip to N.Y. we'd sure like to visit you to see & hear it 1st hand. Who did the case? Is Benoit going to the St Louis Steel Guitar Show?
Phyllis (my wife) & I will be there. Are you going?
"Snakeskin"

Brad Bechtel
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From: San Francisco, CA

posted 20 August 2002 07:58 AM     profile   send email     edit
What a beautiful instrument. Thanks for sharing these pictures with us, Howard. I look forward to hearing how it sounds some day.

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Mike D
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From: Phx, Az

posted 20 August 2002 08:27 AM     profile   send email     edit
OK Howard I 'get' the cutaway now
It really goes with the extended lower bout (a play on the De Angelico "Teardrop" no?)
That's some pretty Walnut too.
Andy Zynda
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From: Wisconsin

posted 20 August 2002 09:35 AM     profile   send email     edit
Damn Jody, you get all the nice babes!!
Hey Jody, might you consider sub-let-beta-testing??
heh heh
-andy-
Kenny Davis
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From: Great State of Oklahoma

posted 20 August 2002 12:10 PM     profile   send email     edit
I couldn't afford the case! I detect amplification...What pickup???
HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 20 August 2002 02:43 PM     profile   send email     edit
Larry.....unfortunately I will not be in St. Louis for the convention, but The Phoenix will be displayed there for viewing. Tough to be in two places at one time. I really wish I were going but I'm going to do my darndest to be in Dallas next March. I don't remember the case maker's name. Carroll told me but my thoughts have been on the guitar. The case itself is really something. BTW, I haven't played this or even seen it in real life. I will be receiving it after the convention.

Kenny, you are right about amplification. It has the Mc Intyre feather pick up.

Mike D.....yes, certainly inspired by the D'Angelico teardrop. Another inspiration is the 8 string classical guitar and external resonance box set up that is employed by classical guitar phenom Paul Galbraith.


R. L. Jones
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From: Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA

posted 20 August 2002 07:57 PM     profile   send email     edit
Congrat`s Howard , your dream`s have finally been realized,. I know you`ve wanted this creation for awhile, Play sweet music with it

R.L.Jones

Rex Blattenberger
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From: hendersonville, tn (nashville)

posted 21 August 2002 05:48 PM     profile   send email     edit
Holy Moly,

That is beautiful. He makes totaly first class
instruments. I saw his stuff in Dallas. Top of the line. And they sound great too.
Rex

HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 22 August 2002 05:40 PM     profile   send email     edit
The design of The Phoenix is pretty much based on the famous D'Angelico Teardrop.

When I first saw photos of the Teardrop, I was amazed and it left quite an impression on me. I suppose that I always had it in the back of my mind. About two or three years ago, I did attempt to have something like this made. I realize that to build something like this, that there's a lot involved...a lot of time, a lot of thought,a lot of experimenting, and a lot of problems venturing into new and uncharted territory, not to mention the jigs and homemade machines to accomplish this. So when I was told that it would be next to impossible, I understood and went on my way thinking that it would never happen.
Last January I attended an all day guitar marathon in NYC. I got to see Greg Leisz and Bill Frissel but I was overly impressed by The Brazilian Guitar Quartet led by renowned classical guitarist Paul Galbraith. Paul Galbraith played an 8 string classical guitar upright in his lap like a cello. There was a metal tube that ran from the guitar's end pin down to a wooden sound box, called an external resonance box.

The box that he used in concert is different than the one in the photo, as it was an oval shape. This external box made a difference in tone and volume as compared to the other guitarists, one of whom also played an 8 string classical, but without the box.

I'm going to have to take a break here, but I'll be back to continue......

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chas smith
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From: Encino, CA, USA

posted 22 August 2002 10:40 PM     profile     edit
Big Wow!!!
HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 23 August 2002 02:31 PM     profile   send email     edit
I decided to attend the Dallas show to see some of the players who don't seem to venture east of the Misissippi and to look at the steels and very possibly bring one home. When I arrived Friday evening I was floored to see about ten of the most magnificent resonators that I have ever seen. I did get to see and hear the players that I was interested in, but I hardly looked at a steel the entire weekend.

Meeting Carroll and Anita Benoit was such a pleasure. Very warm and friendly people. After speaking to them for fifteen minutes, it's like you've known them for ten years. Carroll, a master luthier and craftsman, who originally for many years built Spanish guitars, has a quiet elegance about him. He knows so much yet does not try to impress you with his vast knowledge and experience, but you realize his expertise in a very casual manner.

I discussed with Carroll the concept of the external resonance box and he was intrigued. He wanted to know as much as possible about this and I realized that Carroll would be willing to try something different with regard to resonators. Anyhow, I left the Dallas show not empty handed and much happier for it.

I contacted a luthier that I know in England who builds Selmer/Macafferri style guitars and mandolins. He offered me some good information about sound boxes, how sound travels, and what affects sound. I still needed info on Paul Galbraith's set up but nobody seemed to know anything, not on the classical guitar websites, or anywhere for that matter. I tried to find information everywhere. I learned that Paul's guitar was one of two made by David Rubio. I learned that David Rubio had a website. When I went to the site, I learned that David Rubio passed away in 2000, yet there was an email address for him. I sent an email to the late David Rubio. Never got a reply. Paul Galbraith lives in Brazil and I could not find an email address for him, but on the back of one of his CD's, there's an address for his booking agent. I emailed the booking agent asking if she would contact him in Brazil and if he would be willing to divulge information on his resonance box. She wrote back "Why don't you ask him yourself?, he's playing in NY next week. Fortunately I was able to get tickets to his solo recital. He played classical lute pieces by French composers. It was beautiful. After the concert I got to converse with him and when I asked about the secret of his external resonance box, he told me that it was also his guitar case! It's a hollow case. No baffling, no sound posts, no tone rings, perhaps a ham sandwich and a pickle, but no secret construction....now I sound like Jody.

Seriously, the tube is hollow and the box is a sound chamber. He gets better volume and tone, especially on the lower end.

This is going to come to a point and it does relate....to be continued.....

Andy Volk
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From: Boston, MA

posted 23 August 2002 05:29 PM     profile   send email     edit
Howard, you deserve a lot of credit for having the vision & determination to try something different and see it through to completion. A lot of people have dreams but few actually do the research, take a signifcant role in the design process and then put up the cash to actually build their ultimate axe. I haven't changed the strings on my Benoit in a year and its been in it's case for 3 months. I took it out yesterday and was once again overwhelmed by the tone. I'd love to hear a side-by-side tone test with a Guernsey.

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HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 23 August 2002 07:03 PM     profile   send email     edit
Funny Andy, I've not changed my strings either since Dallas.

I've often fantasized about a "blue guitar" collection only with resophonics, but when it comes to a collection like the Chinnery, well, a Scott, I am certainly not. Ah, but we can dream, can't we?

HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 23 August 2002 08:33 PM     profile   send email     edit
and now back to our regularly scheduled program.............

Carroll and I spoke in great lengths with regard to the external soundbox and tried to devise ways in which this concept could be applied to a resophonic guitar. I also sent photos of the D'Angelico Teardrop that I had so much admired.

We went a little crazy discussing how the external resonance box would be built. The idea of a sound ring with a cone and cover plate, sound screens and the tube being connected to it seemed like a winner...the problem was, where to connect it on the guitar. On the Spanish guitar, the tube is connect to the strongest part of the guitar, the bottom, where the heel block is. Since a reso is flat on the lap, the tube would have be affixed to the back, but the back is too weak to support this as is the sides. If we were to have the tube affixed to the bottom, it would have to protrude in a horizontal manner and then go into a 90 degree angle down into the box, and there would be a great loss of transference. Not to mention that the fixed position of all this on one's lap would be quite uncomfortable. So we had a beautiful idea for an external resonance box, but no way to feasably connect it. It was like India thirty years ago.....they developed and were able to manufacture an atomic bomb, but they only had elephants to transport them....

We concluded that no matter what we came up with, a stand to relieve the weight and pressure, or a stand with a hollow tube and the base of the stand being a resonance box, it was getting to be too cumbersome and that we were heading towards never never land. We agreed to not persue this, however, Carroll was interested and willing to take on the "Phoenix" project much to my delight.
Carroll grew up in Louisianna where his first language was French. It was not until he went to school that he learned to speak English. Whoever taught Carroll English, neglected to teach him the word "no".

The Phoenix presented it's own set of problems, one of which was the lower bout. The D'Angelico Teardrop's lower bout, is pointed. Not a problem. The lower bout of The Phoenix is tightly rounded, big problem to bend wood like that. Of course there were problems to be solved every step of the way, but this was a love of labor, and what they say is true.."where there's a will...there's a relative"....

The back and sides are California walnut, the top and neck is maple, the headstock and fret markers are redwood burl, and there is redwood burl inlay along the upper bout and lower teardrop bout. The sound grilles are redwood burl veneer over maple, I believe. I didn't want the standard round sound screens and having them fabricated into teardrop shapes would have been another endeavor. I also wasn't crazy about having a lot of metal on this beautiful combination of woods, so we came up with the wood sound grilles. Originally there were going to be two. Carroll felt that the extra area of the extended lower bout, acting as a sound chamber would require a third sound grill to relieve the air, sound, and pressure, thus adding to the volume and tone...our answer to the Paul Galbraith resonance box.

The Phoenix will be in St. Louis next week, displayed at Carroll's booth along with his 6, 8, & 10 string resophonic guitars.

Well, I'm tired now and since I don't have the writing endurance that Jody has, I think I'll call it a night.


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mikey
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From: Hawaii, Big Island

posted 24 August 2002 09:51 PM     profile   send email     edit
I guess I'm just a purist...I would need to hear it to have a real opinion...art is in the eye of the beholder, but guitar art is tricky...you have to please 2 senses...
Mike
HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 25 August 2002 06:28 AM     profile   send email     edit
yes, that is the bottom line without a doubt.

Carroll, who is a perfectionist and meticulous in every way, is extremely pleased with the sound and tone. I have every confidence that I will be. I take delivery after the convention and will know first hand.

Jon Light
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From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 26 August 2002 12:21 PM     profile   send email     edit
Howard---I really appreciate the time you've taken to tell this story. It has been fascinating. I'd never heard of Galbraith or of the box concept. I love the whole idea of the collaboration between you (artist & patron) and Carroll (artist and craftman) to bring this to fruition.

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