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Topic: KEITH HAUGEN re: Jerry Byrd
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George Keoki Lake Member From: Edmonton, AB., Canada
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posted 20 January 2003 08:05 PM
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Before you read the following, let me to say the writer, KEITH HAUGEN (who will introduce himself), is a brilliant and very highly respected authority of the Hawaiian language, Hawai'i's music, and all things Hawaiian. I am proud to say he is also my very good friend. He is NOT a member of this FORUM, however he reads the FORUM regularly. He endeavored to put his thoughts on this FORUM prior to learning it was necessary to be a member to post. Keith is involved in far too many organizations, etc., to take on yet another venue, therefore as his friend, he has asked that I post his thoughts, (of which, I fully concure), as follows: ============================================ KEITH WRITES: "Aloha kaua: First, some background and credentials:I've devoted more than 40 years of my life to Hawaiian music, as a researcher, writer, reporter, editor, translator, a singer/songwriter, performer, band leader, arranger, record producer, producer of radio programs and television specials, student and teacher. I have produced more than 30 Hawaiian recordings, composed more than 200 songs, have dozens of credits on other recordings as a translator, liner note writer, composer, etc. I served as an officer of the non-profit Hawaiian Music Foundation, a writer and member of the editorial board of Ha`ilono Mele, the Journal of Hawaiian Music, and as an officer of other Hawaiian music organizations, including HMPI (Hawaiian Music Productions Inc.) as one of the early promoters of Hawaiian music in a concert setting -- including steel guitar, slack-key guitar, falsetto singing, etc. I conceived the award-winning "Na Mele Hawai`i" television series; wrote, narrated, and co-produced "Christmas Time with Eddie Kamae and the Sons of Hawai`i," which won an IRIS award and a medal in the New York Film Festival, and I have won two Na Hoku Hanohano awards for albums I produced. I was on the board of governors for the Hawai`i Academy of Recording Arts when it was in its infancy, and have served on its language committee, judging the Hakumele award. I was a judge of the first Clyde "Kindy" Sproat Falsetto and Storytelling Contest, and have served as a judge and emcee at many other events over the past decades. I'm a former entertainment editor for the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, experienced at listening to and reviewing artists of every rank and station. I've been performing regularly in Waikiki for more than 30 years, often as one of the few remaining all-Hawaiian shows anywhere. I've performed with some of the best of them -- including some non-Hawaiian steel players from foreign lands who excel on the instrument --Palani Baum of Germany, Kenny Kitching of Australia, George "Keoki" Lake of Canada, and many others. I currently perform at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel (for the past 17 years) -- my regular gig since March 1986. I created the award-winning "Ke Aolama," the first-ever Hawaiian language radio news program, "The Hawaiian Word of the Day," the first-ever program of its type, which is now being imitated by other broadcast mediums, and such programs as "A Hawaiian Sunday" and "The Music of Hawai`i," an award-winning radio program devoted to the best of Hawaiian music. I've produced many radio programs devoted entirely to the steel guitar, featuring many of the greats and have one of the biggest collections of recorded Hawaiian steel guitar music. And I've listened to every one of them. I earned my degree in Hawaiian Language, Music & Culture from the University of Hawai`i at Manoa; taught Hawaiian music classes at the UH for about ten years; and have been teaching music and Hawaiian language for the past ten years. I've conducted dozens of workshops and seminars on Hawaiian language, music, composing, and related subjects. I've taken Hawaiian music to dozens of states and many foreign countries. I am often sought out as an expert on things related to Hawaiian music, even to the extent of testifying twice as an "expert witness" in things related to Hawaiian music in court cases. I do know that we all hear music differently. The older person who didn't think Jerry's playing sounded Hawaiian might be comparing him to a favorite player of his youth, perhaps a Hawaiian musician whom he greatly admired, someone whose sound was very Hawaiian to him. That doesn't lessen Jerry's ability one iota. The younger man who raised the question might feel that HIS style is the most Hawaiian. Since I don't know either of them, I would not begin to guess what they think or feel, or why the question, ("Jerry Byrd Rejected by Hawaiians ?"), was raised. I could continue, but I just want you to know that I've been around, and what I have to say about Jerry Byrd comes from someone with more than just a passing interest. Jerry Byrd is the best. And Jerry's playing is Hawaiian, VERY Hawaiian, when he wants it to be; or very "country" when that is called for, etc. His versatility on the steel in unequalled. He is at the top of the heap in playing Hawaiian steel, and at the top of another heap in playing steel in country music. Over the years, I've known most of the steel players in Hawai`i, and some of those from abroad. I must admit that I've never met the Steel Guitar Forum contributor who told about hearing someone else who apparently didn't like Jerry Byrd's style, or his teaching methods, or didn't think his music is Hawaiian. I've performed with many of them, and I too have my favorites. David Keli`i was Feet Rogers favorite steel player and both were favorites of mine. Feet was also the favorite of many others, a genius who never "overplayed," a musician famous for his "ornaments." And who will ever forget Billy Hew Len? Or Barney Isaacs? I love Herbert Hanawahine's playing. We have favorite "steel" songs that influence us too. There are none better or more Hawaiian, in my humble opinion, than David Keli`i's rendition of Danny Stewart's "Whispering Lullaby," or Jerry's steel playing on "Sweet Patuti," a little ditty recorded by Kekua Fernandes, or Feet Rogers -- on anything he played. The styles of the many fine steel players vary considerably, even among those who play ONLY Hawaiian music. Some may sound more or less Hawaiian, especially to the untrained ear. Where you were born has absolutely nothing to do with how well you perform as a practitioner in the music or culture of your choice. To say that Jerry doesn't play Hawaiian as well because he came here from America is like saying the Rev. Lorenzo Lyons, who came here from New England as a 19th century missionary, couldn't write Hawaiian lyrics because they were written by someone who came from some other place. I've listened to the greats of yesteryear; and I've known those of the past half century -- including some of the very talented steel players of our day. I don't know anyone who does not respect Jerry Byrd as "the master of touch and tone" and as the best. They don't come any better.
Sure, he plays other music. He was THE recognized master of steel in country music circles (and in the Steel Guitar Hall of Fame). But that does not mean that he cannot play Hawaiian music or that his playing is not as Hawaiian as someone else. So now, we have someone who heard from an anonymous someone else that once you learn something from Jerry,"you'll never shake it." I consider this as a great compliment. I hope it is true, for it will insure that his great style will be perpetuated forever in the music of Hawai`i. I am not a steel guitarist. However I did take a few lessons from Jerry about 17 years ago, and he is a very good teacher. I teach music full time and I offer that observation as a teacher. He can be very caustic, we all know that. He is very demanding and pushes his students to excel. Because of that, some of the best steel players in the business today learned well from Jerry -- including Alan Akaka, Casey Olsen, and others, such as Gordon Freitas, (a new JB student). "Jerry Byrd Rejected By Hawaiians?" I DON'T THINK SO"! Keith Haugen Honolulu, Hawai`i hakumele@aol.com 1809 Makiki Street, Honolulu, Hawai`i 96822 USA POBox 1976, Honolulu, Hawai`i 96805 USA (mail) (808) 951-4332 (home) (808) 734-0208 (school) (808) 927-2934 (cellular) www.hawaiiansong.com www.cordellcountry.com ============================================ It's Keoki time again...Jerry has been there, done that, and now well into his eighties deserves a helluva lot of respect for all he has done in reviving the steel guitar in Hawai'i and into Hawaiian music. I vividly recall one of my earlier visits to Hawai'i, prior to JB, finding only 2 steel guitarists actively working the Waikiki scene. Thanks to Jerry, we now have a proliferation of fine steel guitarists all along Kalakaua and elsewhere in Hawai'i. In all my 22 visits to Hawai'i, never once have I sensed any rejections by Hawaiians with whom I have played towards Jerry. Quite the contrary...he is admired for the consumate professional he is. |
Jeff Au Hoy Member From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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posted 20 January 2003 08:23 PM
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quote: To say that Jerry doesn't play Hawaiian as well because he came here from America is like saying the Rev. Lorenzo Lyons, who came here from New England as a 19th century missionary, couldn't write Hawaiian lyrics because they were written by someone who came from some other place.
Actually, the person who says that of Rev. Lyons could indeed have a valid point... not so much in the fact that Lyons was from a foreign land but more so in the fact that he did not fully understand all the nuances of the Hawaiian language. Authorities however will indicate that he did but anyway, this is a discussion about steel guitar...
[This message was edited by Jeff Au Hoy on 20 January 2003 at 08:32 PM.] |
Jeff Au Hoy Member From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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posted 20 January 2003 08:38 PM
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Also: quote: Jerry Byrd is the best. And Jerry's playing is Hawaiian, VERY Hawaiian, when he wants it to be; or very "country" when that is called for, etc. His versatility on the steel in unequalled.
By this, it has been acknowledged that there is in fact a distinctively Hawaiian steel sound.[This message was edited by Jeff Au Hoy on 20 January 2003 at 08:39 PM.] |
Cartwright Thompson Member From: Portland, Maine, USA
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posted 21 January 2003 02:56 AM
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I love to listen to Jerry....and Sol, and Jules, and Jimi, and Bartok, and Ween, etc., etc, etc... Does every player have to have a stamp of approval to be enjoyed? Nobody is "the best" at anything that resembles art. This subject is getting tedious, almost to the point of being pathetic. Give it a break please. |
Jussi Huhtakangas Member From: Helsinki, Finland
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posted 21 January 2003 03:23 AM
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Yep big chief Thompson, me juice-man agrees with you! |
basilh Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 21 January 2003 05:46 AM
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Jeff,.........Maka'ala ke kanaka kahea manu. Baz |
Carter York Member From: Austin, TX [Windsor Park]
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posted 21 January 2003 08:25 AM
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...[This message was edited by Carter York on 20 March 2003 at 10:51 PM.] |
Paul Graupp Member From: Macon Ga USA
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posted 21 January 2003 09:27 AM
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Keith Haugen: Well put, Sir !!Regards, Paul |
C Dixon Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 21 January 2003 09:41 AM
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Yes, there IS a "distinctively Hawaiian steel sound."And NO human on this earth has ever come closer to getting it than Jerry Byrd. In fact, for all but an infinitesimaly "small" few, he sounds identical to the true Hawaiian greats. And since we live in a democratic nation, it is accurate to state that a 99 and 999/1000's percent majority; is so close to perfect; so let it be written, "So let it be done! Etceterrra, Etceterrra, Etceterrrra!!!!" And lest we forget, Hawaii IS part of this nation! One wonders WHY they voted to become a part of it. huh? Long live Jerry Byrd, and all of you, carl[This message was edited by C Dixon on 21 January 2003 at 09:46 AM.] |
Jeff Au Hoy Member From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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posted 21 January 2003 11:15 AM
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I would align myself with Cartwright's point: quote: Does every player have to have a stamp of approval to be enjoyed? Nobody is "the best" at anything that resembles art.
Carl, regarding the Hawaiian sound... You say that no person has ever come closer to it than Jerry Byrd, but then you go on to say that he sounds identical to those "true Hawaiian greats" (I would disagree with this, and it would help if you could provide the names of these players... besides, the greatness of Jerry Byrd lies in the fact that he doesn't sound like anyone else). You've got me totally confused. Re: quote: And since we live in a democratic nation, it is accurate to state that a 99 and 999/1000's percent majority is so close to perfect;
I'd love to know how you calculated that one...regarding Jerry Byrd and Hawaiian steel guitar, that is.Re: quote: Hawaii IS part of this nation! One wonders WHY they voted to become a part of it. huh?
I suggest that you take the time to research and learn about this. If you do, I will take the time to learn about the history of Duluth (or wherever you are originally from). I promise.[This message was edited by Jeff Au Hoy on 21 January 2003 at 12:11 PM.]
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Ron Whitfield Member From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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posted 21 January 2003 03:13 PM
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God is great, JBs good, let's "just keep pickin" as we should.------------------
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Jeff Au Hoy Member From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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posted 21 January 2003 04:10 PM
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Fancy rhyme might bring a smile, But can you play Hawaiian style?Hehe, nah...I'm just bein' a bonehead. ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/wink.gif) |
Ron Whitfield Member From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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posted 21 January 2003 04:17 PM
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Hey, I CAN play bonehead style! It just comes natural. Don't even NEED vibrato.------------------
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C Dixon Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 21 January 2003 05:40 PM
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Jeff, You are NOT worthy of any more comments. You have shown your true colors with you venom and inuendous missgivings; too much for me to engage any further with your childish and absurd ramblings; trying to malign the world's greatest lap steel player. I shall not read any more of your verbal diahhrea, carl |
Kenny Dail Member From: Kinston, N.C. 28504
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posted 21 January 2003 07:46 PM
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Jerry has accomplished exactly what he intended to do. He mastered the steel guitar and did so without having to sound like a "clone". His interpretation of "Hawaiian Music" may not agree with mine or yours...but the fact remains that when he plays...everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY, (that includes fans and critics) listens. I realy don't think Jerry cares about what someone elses opinion of his playing. His track record speaks for him. ------------------ kd...and the beat goes on... |
Jeff Au Hoy Member From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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posted 21 January 2003 08:07 PM
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Oh Carl, you're so mean to me. |
Paul Graupp Member From: Macon Ga USA
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posted 21 January 2003 10:00 PM
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Now I'm wondering if Marty changed his name......Regards, Paul |
Andy Volk Member From: Boston, MA
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posted 22 January 2003 05:24 AM
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Gentlemen: There's an opportunity for intelligent discourse here that is being squanderd in unnecssary incivility. Carl, I have tremendous respect for your knowledge of the instrument but I don't see that your belicose response is justified by the content of Jeff's posts. And Jeff, you make some legitimate points but you also clearly delight in pushing buttons. Personally, it's growing exceedingly tiresome that the JB cultists will accept no fair minded discourse that is counter to their own view without seeing this as an all-out attack on everything they hold dear. This is about music - not accounting; alternate opinions can be valid. On the other hand, JB is clearly in a class of his own and deserves our admiration & respect for all he has accomplished on the instrument. Maligning his personality traits really serves no purpose. So ... how about we remember the golden rule and treat each other with respect? Some of you are relatively new to this forum. I've been here for over 5 years. I've seen too many great contributors loose interest over pointless flame wars. Let's remember that we're all here 'cause we love this crazy, convoluted instrument. |
George Keoki Lake Member From: Edmonton, AB., Canada
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posted 22 January 2003 07:17 AM
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Andy said "...remember the golden rule and treat each other with respect?..." which is exactly the word, ("respect"), I used in my opening thread. It's so darned easy to critisize one-another's playing, but as Keith Haugen mentioned, each of us hear music differently. The steel guitar is so unique from, (for example), a trumpet, accordion and most any other instrument you can name in that, ten people can play the same instrument through the same amp, and it's almost as though there were ten different steel guitars actually being played. As was pointed out above, whether or not you are a JB fan, when he plays, you listen ! If you don't, you are either deaf, or brain dead to fine musicianship. |
Rick Aiello Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 22 January 2003 07:27 AM
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quote: Personally, it's growing exceedingly tiresome that the JB cultists
Maybe a less inflammatory term like "JB Enthusiasts or Disciples" describes us better ..... Cultist has pretty negative connotations ... quote: will accept no fair minded discourse that is counter to their own view without seeing this as an all-out attack on everything they hold dear.
When it comes to JB's "Hawaiianess" ... very few threads that bring this topic up are fair minded ... The fact that JB brought the Hawaiian Steel Guitar to levels that were undreamed of at its conception should not be used as ammunition against his way of playing Hawaiian music .... His first love. Just my opinions .... ------------------ My Steel Shoes Site [This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 22 January 2003 at 07:29 AM.]
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Roy Thomson Member From: Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada
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posted 22 January 2003 07:28 AM
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We all sit round in a circle and suppose; while the Master sits in the middle and knows.------------------ http://www.clictab.com/royt/tabmenu.htm |
Andy Volk Member From: Boston, MA
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posted 22 January 2003 08:03 AM
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Fair point, Rick, poor choice of words. My only intention was to lobby for more friendly and respectful forum discourse.[This message was edited by Andy Volk on 22 January 2003 at 08:04 AM.] |
Jeff Au Hoy Member From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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posted 22 January 2003 08:33 AM
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Andy, thanks...point taken. Although I think the pushing of buttons is more of an incidental occurrence.But anyway, what do y'all say to re-routing this chat to a discussion of all the wonderful accomplishments of Keith Haugen? |
Al Terhune Member From: Newcastle, WA
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posted 22 January 2003 08:39 PM
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George,You're obviously feeling a little insecure about the love you have for JB's playing to present such a highly-decorated fan letter. I, for one, am not moved. You could have God, himself, give you a handwritten letter, and you're not going to change the opinions of those who just don't think the same way you do about Jerry Byrd. That's just not what life is all about. Just accept not everyone feels the same as you. I've had to come to terms with that, myself, as to my love for Abba -- and the Bee Gees. Long live Maurice. Al |
Jesse Pearson Member From: San Diego , CA
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posted 22 January 2003 11:20 PM
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Al, good god boy, you gotta be kidding... right? George, I really enjoyed learning about Keith Haugen. Thank you ...! |
George Keoki Lake Member From: Edmonton, AB., Canada
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posted 23 January 2003 04:18 PM
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"....feeling a little insecure about the love you have for JB's playing...." ============================================ You gotta be kidding! At 75, I am VERY secure in my own musicianship. I have never had any ambition to play like JB...however that never stopped me from admiring the fine musician he is. I placed that thread as a favor to my good friend Keith Haugen. We both admire JB but I am not obsessed as some are towards copying his style. There is only ONE Jerry Byrd. I am damned glad he arrived in Hawai'i in 1972, observed the pathetic situation of Hawai'i's own instrument at that time and had the guts to do something about it. |
Bill Creller Member From: Saginaw, Michigan, USA
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posted 23 January 2003 07:18 PM
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Hi George I first heard Jerry when he was still in highschool, and playing on the Renfro Valley outfit. I was a teenager then and was really taken by this guy. After that I recorded (disc cutter) some his stuff from the Midwestern Hayride on WLW. These days I think I like the style he played in the 40s more than the later years. He is still ONE of my favorites, but not the only one. ALOHA |
Ray Montee Member From: Portland, OR, USA
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posted 23 January 2003 07:36 PM
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Hey Bill! You don't happen to still have any of those old WLW records you cut eons ago, or do you? Very interesting...... |
George Keoki Lake Member From: Edmonton, AB., Canada
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posted 31 January 2003 08:50 AM
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from Bill, quote:".....He is still ONE of my favorites, but not the only one....." ____________________________________________ Bill, my feelings precisely! I admire Jerry for all that he is and all that he has done, however, I would have to have my head in the sand if he were the only one. Many consider him the 'best', but how in the world does one define the word "BEST" when it comes to the steel guitar, (or any other instrument for that matter)? As Keith mentioned, it's all in the ear of the listener. Many greats have gone before JB and no doubt there will be other greats after him. I sincerely adore JB's playing, but I am not hopelessly addidicted. I cannot forget Dick McIntire, Andy Iona, Sol Ho'opi'i, Billy Hew Len, Jules Ah See, Barney isaacs and a host of others, all of whom were probably considered to be the "best" in their time. Each had his own style just as JB has his. God Bless them all for the great talents. |
Jeff Au Hoy Member From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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posted 31 January 2003 02:07 PM
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That's a nice list. I think Keoki Lake should be up there too for his lifelong dedication to the preservation of the steel guitar. At least that's what I feel based on all the great things I've heard and read about him. Correct me if I'm wrong ![](http://steelguitarforum.com/wink.gif) | |