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Topic: Bobbe hits one out of the park...
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Mark van Allen
Member From: loganville, Ga. USA
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posted 23 August 2003 12:16 PM
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Well, two actually! I collect and enjoy instruction materials and as most folks know, there isn't too much available for lap and non-pedal steel, beyond Cindy Cashdollar and Arlen Roth's intro vids, Herb Remington's two tapes, Jerry Byrd's amazing "big book" and Scotty's Mel Bay book. Bobbe Seymour has stepped up to the plate with a two volume set on non-pedal C6 that is just loaded with great ideas and tricks. Not just songs but a lot of insight into playing any song using fully professional techniques, lots of the slants, split string, open string polychord stuff that takes years to find. I know these tapes will really help my non-pedal playing (lots there for C6 pedlars to "steel" as well), and I can't recommend these two tapes highly enough to anyone, beginner or advanced wanting some great non pedal ideas. I am a bit worried about Bobbe, though, his sense of humor seems to have taken a vacation on these, no flip comments, wise cracks or snappy jokes in evidence...  My only complaint is that there aren't more tapes to watch! How about volumes 3-7 Bobbe? Thanks so much for making these!------------------
C'mon by and visit!- www.markvanallen.com
My Bands: Sugarland Kate and the Retreads Kecia Garland Band Shane Bridges Band Dell Conner Blues Band
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Karl Oberlander
Member From: Austin, Texas, USA
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posted 25 August 2003 03:58 PM
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So what is this called and where can you get it?Thanks, Kobe ------------------
Gibson D-8 Console Grande
Stringmaster T-8
Fender Super Reverb |
Mark van Allen
Member From: loganville, Ga. USA
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posted 25 August 2003 05:10 PM
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Hi, Karl, they're on Bobbe's site at: http://www.steelguitar.net/
click on videos under "instruction", then find "Non-Pedal Video Series" near the bottom of the page. Just great stuff.[This message was edited by Mark van Allen on 25 August 2003 at 05:11 PM.] |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 27 August 2003 07:09 PM
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Or pick up the phone and call me! Bobbe Seymour
615 822 5555, I like to hear from you guys anyway, Mark, you are a incredible "reviewer" Mark, this mean a lot coming from a player of your caliber and fame. As you can tell on the video, I REALLY do love non-pedal steel guitar, I really wouldn't care if pedals were outlawed!
Ha!
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Jeff Strouse
Member From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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posted 02 September 2003 01:36 PM
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Just got mine today. Great stuff Bobbe! I'm with Mark - my VCR is already yearning for a Volume 3!!  |
Karl Oberlander
Member From: Austin, Texas, USA
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posted 02 September 2003 01:42 PM
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Bobbe,Are you going to put this on DVD? That's all I have anymore. I geve away my VCR's when I got the DVD thing. Let us know. Thanks, Kobe ------------------
Gibson D-8 Console Grande - Stringmaster T-8 - Alkire EHarp D-10
Fender Super Reverb
kobe@austin.rr.com
http://home.austin.rr.com/kobeco
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 08 September 2003 11:57 AM
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Thank you so very much for all these nice things you players have said.
Yes, I'll be putting out volumes #3 and #4 very soon. They will show how to play some of the more famous steel passages and "classic" country and western swing tunes.
I'm personally of the belief that non-pedal steel played correctly and played well, is as perfect a musical instrument as the pedal steel.
(The folks on the dance floor would never know the difference!)
The things I teach on my tapes teach you how to be the best player possible and to be a direct replacement for any pedal steel player, any time on any job.
I also teach different styles in playing the same material. I feel we should all sound unique in our approach to music. I encourage this individuality, as long as it's correctly executed. Country, western, hawaiian, jazz and pop all have different ways to be executed, approached, attacked and generally created to be delivered to the listeners ears. I like to cover all these things in my tapes. Don't ever think that you can't play big chords on a non-pedal guitar either! There are many easy ways to get about any chord that you can understand how to apply.
Yes, I'm a true original steel guitar lover.
E-mail me if you are interested in this series, this is an easy way for early players to learn, and very quickly.
Bobbe,
and thanks Mark! [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 08 September 2003 at 12:02 PM.] |
Karl Oberlander
Member From: Austin, Texas, USA
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posted 08 September 2003 02:47 PM
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So Bobbe,Are you going to put these out on DVD any
time soon? Thanks, Kobe ------------------
Gibson D-8 Console Grande - Stringmaster T-8 - Alkire EHarp D-10
Fender Super Reverb
kobe@austin.rr.com
http://home.austin.rr.com/kobeco
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Andrew Waegel
Member From: Berkeley CA USA
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posted 09 September 2003 10:29 AM
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Hey Bobbe,This sounds great, I look forward to seeing these videos. What tuning are you using on this? Is it the 10 string C6 like on a pedal steel or can we get by with an 8 string lap steel? Thanks,
- Handy Andy |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 11 September 2003 12:25 PM
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C6th with an F on the bottom. Eight string is the way I am showing in the video.
Bobbe |
Jeff Strouse
Member From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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posted 11 September 2003 01:36 PM
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E-C-A-G-E-C-A-F is what the notes are tuned to... |
Andrew Waegel
Member From: Berkeley CA USA
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posted 11 September 2003 01:56 PM
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Thanks, that helps. I'll put it on the list. |
Roger Shackelton
Member From: Everett, Wa.
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posted 12 September 2003 11:22 AM
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Thanks Jeff, for listing the tuning from High to Low,1---8 and reading from Left to Right, as it should be.IMHO The other way seems confusing,like counting backwards.??? Roger |
Jesse Pearson
Member From: San Diego , CA
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posted 12 September 2003 11:39 AM
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Jimmy Vaughn uses this tuning on his 8 string steel. I'm glad Bobbe is using this tuning and will try one of his video tapes when my 8 string is up and working. Roger, I think 1 to 8 is backwards because it is the opposite of how we learn to spell chords. take a C chord and a Aminor chord spelling: CEG verses gec, which no one does ACE verses eca, which no one does Non pedal steel is made up of open chord tunings so why did steel players get in the habit of reverse spelling? I think it is because it's easier to count numbers than learning to quickly spell chords in the order that all instrument's use? |
Roger Shackelton
Member From: Everett, Wa.
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posted 12 September 2003 01:37 PM
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Jesse, I was just stating that it makes more sense to me, from the way we learn to read. Left to right and top to bottom.???Spelling chords seems to be a seperate issue. Roger |
Jeff Strouse
Member From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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posted 12 September 2003 01:48 PM
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If one were to write the tuning as it "really" is (how you see it looking down at the fretboard), it would be listed vertically, to illustrate the particular string number:E - string 1 (top)
C
A
G
E
C
A
F - string 8 (bottom) But to save space, it's typically written across, in a line. Since we read left to right, I think (IMHO) it's more logical to list string number one, first. Hence, the first note: E-C-A-G-etc At least that's how I learned it, so I guess that's what I'm accustomed to. I agree with Roger, in that it seems kind of backwards the other way.
[This message was edited by Jeff Strouse on 12 September 2003 at 01:56 PM.] |
Andy Volk
Member From: Boston, MA
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posted 12 September 2003 02:57 PM
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I've always prefered to list tunings from High to low and since that's the way I think about them, that's the format I used in my book. The only problem was when I got to the tuning comonly called Dad-Gad. I had to list it as DAGDAD. Calling it D suspended tuning solved the problem. When I did an article for Acoustic Guitar Magazine they made me change to their prefered format of listing tunings from low to high. I 've looked at various sources and people seem to be pretty much split down the middle on which format they use. How do people vote: hight-to-low or low-to-high? I think I'll get off the computer now and go play a tune in Dag-Dad![This message was edited by Andy Volk on 12 September 2003 at 03:00 PM.] |
Roger Shackelton
Member From: Everett, Wa.
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posted 13 September 2003 03:33 AM
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Well,that makes 4 of us. Me,Jeff,Andy and Basil.Roger |
Jesse Pearson
Member From: San Diego , CA
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posted 13 September 2003 03:50 AM
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Since I learned sax way before steel, I had to learn to spell arppegios quickly and be able to see the notes in my head so's I could improvise and outline the chord changes as they went by, spelling from the bottom up makes it easy to see chord intervals for me. That's why looking at an open tuning this way makes it easy to see the relationships between the chord intervals. Some famous steel player was talking about having the ability to do this will make using a new tuning that much easier to grasp. When it comes to spelling chords, starting with the root and going up in pitch is the true left to right way of reading and spelling chords. I gotta say I was really thrown for a loop when I started studying steel at first because it seemed most steel player's use what I called the reverse spelling method. Here is a way to spell chords guickly in the key of C major:major
CEG
FAC
GBD minor
DFA
EGB
ACE dim
BDF If you memorize these three chord types so you can say all 7 triads super fast without thinking, then it's easy to spell any chord fast. To make a major turn into a augmented chord, sharp the 5th. To make a major turn into minor, flat the 3rd (middle note) a half step To make a minor turn into a major, sharp the 3rd (middle note) a half step To make a minor turn into a dim, flat the 5th. To make a dim turn into a minor, sharp the 5th a half step. To make a dim turn into a major, sharp the 3rd and 5th a half step. The ability to do this allows the player to use polytonal substitutions, which works great on steel because you are implying part of a bigger chord by using triad substitutions. When you have this under your belt, anything else just slows you down.[This message was edited by Jesse Pearson on 13 September 2003 at 01:08 PM.] |
James Quackenbush
Member From: Pomona, New York, USA
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posted 13 September 2003 06:15 AM
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I'm not playing pedal steel that long, and have played Dobro by ear for a while now..The one thing that intrigues me about Bobbe is not that he's a great guy, and his playing ability is 2nd to none, but this guy is one of the best musical technicians I have known..He really knows musical theory, and the technical aspect of music...Putting that with his soulful technique, and you have Bobbe !!...Jim |
Jeff Strouse
Member From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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posted 13 September 2003 09:01 AM
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Interesting stuff, Jesse! Thanks for posting it! |
Jim Smith
Member From: Plano, TX, USA
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posted 13 September 2003 09:40 AM
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quote:
To make a dim turn into a minor, sharp the 3rd a half step.
Did you mean to say, "sharp the 5th a half step"? |
Mark van Allen
Member From: loganville, Ga. USA
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posted 13 September 2003 11:26 AM
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Refering to the thread, the more I look at Bobbe's tapes the more I see in there. Simple presentation, like sitting down with him in person. No three camera shots, just lots of info and ideas.
As far as the tuning charts- If they're listed with the orientation, as in:
"ACEG low to high" or "GECA high to low", there's not much left to the imagination. It's just when it's assumed that a reader will know which orientation is being used that confusion can occur. It does seem to me to be useful to think in terms of how you look at the guitar, which is low to high, and the tunings were originally designed as being built on chord forms as per Jesse's post, low to high. Most 6 string guitarists always tune starting with low strings, and guitar tunings (as in DADGAD) are universally listed from low to high, so it seems a more universal approach might be to join the club there, so to speak. That being said, I always tune my steels starting with the highest pitch strings, and I really have no idea why![This message was edited by Mark van Allen on 13 September 2003 at 11:26 AM.] |
Jesse Pearson
Member From: San Diego , CA
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posted 13 September 2003 01:19 PM
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Thanks Jim, I got in late last night after busking downtown on my reso and was reading the forum trying to unwind.Turn dim to minor, sharp the 5th |
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