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Topic: INSTRUMENTALS......a thing of the past?
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Kenny Dail
Member From: Kinston, N.C. 28504
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posted 17 December 2003 09:35 PM
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So far as I am concerned, If the song is played without vocals, it is an instrumental.------------------
kd...and the beat goes on... |
Jussi Huhtakangas
Member From: Helsinki, Finland
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posted 17 December 2003 10:52 PM
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Out of the ( limited )selection I play, the tunes I believe would be strict steel instros are:
Slippery Elm
Steel Guitar Jubilee
Skiddle Dee Boo
My Tawnie
Bustin' Thru'
Blue Wind |
Dave Boothroyd
Member From: The Malvern Hills
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posted 18 December 2003 01:14 AM
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OK, I know it's a bit leftfield, but my National 8 is going to church with me tomorrow to play "Come O Come Emmannuel".
A nice bit of plainsong goes really well on steel.
I'm going to have a go at "Take Five" though- I already do it on vertical guitar.
Cheers
Dave[This message was edited by Dave Boothroyd on 18 December 2003 at 01:19 AM.] |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 18 December 2003 02:19 AM
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I think Chris Scruggs has missed the point I made about definitive or quintessential versions..
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With regard to Steel Guitar Rag and other similar SONGS, I think that if the DEFINITIVE version was an instrumental, then that qualifies it.
For example "Sleepwalk" or "Take Five"
But where the general accepted definitive version is a vocal, then, IMHO you are playing an instrumental interpretation of a SONG.
Surely a true instrumental is just a tune that has NO lyrics written for it.
Did some fall on "Stoney Ground" ?Likewise, when Kenny Dail said "So far as I am concerned, If the song is played without vocals, it is an instrumental."
NO Kenny,with respect, It's just an instrumental VERSION of a song.
Baz
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basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 18 December 2003 03:15 AM
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Ray Montee ... John Marsden says hello and Happy Christmas.
And also to Walter Stettner
Baz |
Kenny Dail
Member From: Kinston, N.C. 28504
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posted 18 December 2003 09:08 AM
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Baz, you are right. I simply made that statement because of the input from others that included "songs" played as instrumentals. You are talking about music written especially for the "Steel Guitar" such as, Sleepwalk, Steel Guitar Rag, Steelin' The Blues, Steelin' Home, Roadside Rag, Border Serenade, Georgia Steel Guitar, Remington Ride and the list goes on and on. Touche, my friend....------------------
kd...and the beat goes on... |
Jesse Pearson
Member From: San Diego , CA
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posted 18 December 2003 10:42 AM
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Chris, thanks for those tunings. Merry Xmas!  |
Chris Scruggs
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 18 December 2003 11:59 AM
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Jesse, sure thing.Happy Christmas, basilh. [This message was edited by Chris Scruggs on 18 December 2003 at 12:13 PM.] [This message was edited by Chris Scruggs on 18 December 2003 at 12:14 PM.] |
George Rout
Member From: St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
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posted 18 December 2003 06:44 PM
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Hey Kenny, is that "Touche" North Carolina french or Quebec french???????Geo |
Kenny Dail
Member From: Kinston, N.C. 28504
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posted 18 December 2003 07:35 PM
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Too-Shay Y'all from southern France. LOL ------------------
kd...and the beat goes on... |
Chris Scruggs
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 19 December 2003 04:15 AM
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Basil,About your comment,"I think Chris Scruggs has missed the point I made about definitive or quintessential versions." There is no need to speak "over" me or "about" me in a way that excludes me from the conversation. You could of said,"Chris, I dont think you got my point etc." Speaking about somebody in their presence, but not acknowledging them is generally considered to be rude. There is no need to insult my intelligence, either. I did not miss your point. I completely understand what you are saying, I simply don't agree with it. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,
Chris Scruggs
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Walter Stettner
Member From: Vienna, Austria
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posted 19 December 2003 05:20 AM
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Basil,With all respect, the whole discussion about words and their meaning reminds me of the discussion what was first, the hen or the egg. I'd rather sit behind my steel and play an instrumental (or maybe just an instrumental version of a song, as you like!) Walter ------------------
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basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 19 December 2003 07:15 AM
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I don't need this.....I was speaking "through the chair" as it isn't my topic....No disrespect was given or inferred... Just educated observations...
as I said I don't need this .. there are others who would heed the comments and benefit from my experience.... I don't intend to stay around here...
Most certainly this is my last post on this forum....
Baz
www.wakiki-islanders.com ------------------
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Steel players do it without fretting
http://www.waikiki-islanders.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
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Jesse Pearson
Member From: San Diego , CA
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posted 19 December 2003 08:30 AM
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Basilh, come on bro, agree to disagree but don't split o.k. You are a valued asset here on the forum and a great Hawaiian steel player. Musicians are sensitive types and that says it all. When I wanted to know about C#m7 tuning, you sent me tab and I learned it, and I know that teaching others what you know is a great gift. Merry Xmas everyone [This message was edited by Jesse Pearson on 19 December 2003 at 08:32 AM.] |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 19 December 2003 11:14 AM
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I was only looking for attention like a spoiled child........I'm back in the "Foray"
Baz |
Chris Scruggs
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 19 December 2003 12:53 PM
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Hey there, Basil,I'm sorry if my post upset you, but I must say that I was a little upset with that specific post you made. My feelings where also hurt, and I felt insulted. Once again, I'm sorry. I believe it is better to get your feelings out, and to communicate, than to hold hurt emotions inside, where they only get worse. I'm sure we can come to some kind of an understanding, seeing as we are both adults who share a common love for a most wonderful instrument. I agree(to a certain extent) about what you said about "true" instrumentals. The difference is I see a "definitive" version as an opinion. What is the "definitive" version of "Blue Suede Shoes", Carl Perkins or Elvis? Some would say Carl Perkins, since he wrote it, and was first to have a #1 hit with it. Some say Elvis, since he also had a hit with it and as the people say,"He made every song he ever sang his own". Whichever one I see as a definitive version is my opinion. I don't think you can truly classify a tune as an istrumental or a song based on it's definitive version, because different people have different definitive versions. Classifications can only be established on matters of fact. Once again, I'm sorry if you where hurt, and I hope this helps to explain my personal point of view, Chris S. Edited for spelling
Edited again out of boredom
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basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 19 December 2003 01:09 PM
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No Problem Chris.....as you say..the definition of "A definitive version" is a matter of opinion. I tend to go along with the opinion that the MAJORITY opinion would probably be the definitive.Have a nice holiday Chris... and a great New Year.
Baz |
Chris Scruggs
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 19 December 2003 01:24 PM
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Happy Christmas, Baz! Chris |
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