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Ed Naylor
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From: portsmouth.ohio usa

posted 04 January 2004 10:02 AM     profile   send email     edit
In my collection of Steel Guitar records I have some of "TEX" Jenks Carmen. He has probably been dead for a long time but,I would like to do a little "History" search on him.Where was he born,Who did he play with,etc,etc. Ed Naylor Steel Guitar Works
Jody Carver
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From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 04 January 2004 10:27 AM     profile     edit
Ed
I have or had a few recordings of Tex,,Most all of his recordings were done on King Records. He had a very unique style with a wide vibrato and played much like Roy Smeck only with a country type approach. You may be able to find something on him on the net if you do a search.

I would guestimate that Tex has been gone since the early 1950' or mid 50's at the latest.

I had recordings of him where it was his name
that was featured as the main artist and not as a side man.

Ed Naylor
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From: portsmouth.ohio usa

posted 04 January 2004 10:36 AM     profile   send email     edit
Jody- He did have a "Wild" vibrato.I have almost all the old KING 78,s but I think he had some Instrumental 78,s also.Could it have been on the "Champion" label? ED
HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 04 January 2004 11:08 AM     profile   send email     edit
Jenks "Tex" Carman, The Dixie Cowboy....

I have a 33rpm of him but there are no liner notes. Heavily Hawaiian influenced single string playing. A voice that only a mother could love went well with his jumpy style.

It would be interesting to learn his history.

Walter Stettner
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From: Vienna, Austria

posted 04 January 2004 11:09 AM     profile   send email     edit
Hi Guys!

The German Bear Family Label has reissued the Capitol recordings of Jenks Tex Carman from 1951 to 1953. Very interesting record!
www.bear-family.de

Regards, Walter

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HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 04 January 2004 11:47 AM     profile   send email     edit
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Let's hear it for a true nutter. Acoustic slide guitarist Tex Carman couldn't play in tune to save his life, and he sang occasionally in a mixture of English and gibberish that he probably thought was Polynesian. Everything's redeemed by his irrepressible energy and unabashed looniness, though. Here are all his '51- '53 Capitol sides, including Hillbilly Hula, Hi-Lo March, Samoa Stomp, Locust Hill Rag, Dixie Cannonball and 15 others. Fans of the slide guitar and steel guitar need this.

from the Bear Family site....

Ian McLatchie
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

posted 04 January 2004 12:56 PM     profile   send email     edit
Ed: Carman died almost 36 years ago, on Feb. 2, 1968. He was born May 14, 1903 in Hardinsburg, Kentucky. He first recorded for Gennett in 1929, and later had a number of records on Four Star before signing to Capitol in 1951. The Bear Family album that Walter mentioned consists of Capitol sides recorded between '51 and '53 and is well worth picking up. Few people are as entertainingly bad as Carman. The liner notes to the Bear Family include some hilarious stories from Ken Nelson and others about how painful it was to try to come up with a usable take. I'm not sure if it's in those notes, but I've heard several times that there was a joke among other members of the Town Hall Party on which Carman performed that Tex had beaten his son for tuning down one of the strings on his father's guitar and refusing to tell him which one.
Roger Shackelton
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From: Everett, Wa.

posted 04 January 2004 01:18 PM     profile   send email     edit

Jenks "Tex" Carman Biography

Born: May 14, 1903, Hardinsburg, Breckinridge County, Kentucky, USA. DIED: February 2, 1968. There are probably few completely accurate facts (even his year of birth) known regarding this eccentric country music entertainer. Carman enjoyed embellishing details and at times, may well have stretched the truth. He claimed Cherokee Indian ancestry, a fact reinforced by his penchant for appearing in Indian costume, but research of the Cherokee Nation failed to find any reference to him, although one of his great-grandmothers did claim to be Cherokee. He learned to play guitar as a child and in his teens, he left the family farm to become an entertainer. He worked in Louisville, for a time as leader of the Glee Club Quartette, hoboed, busked and toured the vaudeville circuit and, in 1929, he even recorded for Gennett. After becoming friendly with Frank Plada, a noted Hawaiian guitar exponent, he changed to that instrument, which he always played as an acoustic instrument hanging around his neck. Although his playing has drawn considerable criticism, he proved popular throughout the 40s and 50s. In the late 40s, he relocated to California, recorded for Four Star and as Jenks Tex Carman, the Dixie Cowboy, he played on KXLA radio, the noted Compton Town Hall Party and Cliffie Stone's Hometown Jamboree. In the early 50s, he recorded five sessions for Capitol Records; some tracks remained unissued until a 1991 release by Bear Family Records. His most popular recordings were "Hilo March" and "Hillbilly Hula". Speaking 40 years later, Capitol producer Ken Nelson still winced at the memory of recording him: "He was so lacking in rhythm but he had this goofy sound on the guitar and he sold records." After Capitol, he recorded for Sage and had material released on several other labels, including Old Homestead. He was always liked by his fellow artists although most commented on his vocals and guitar playing. Wesley Tuttle rated him the worst musician in the world but paid tribute to his stage presence. Johnny Western commented, "He'd come to the show half-bombed and with a bottle in his guitar case but he was a born entertainer. He'd come on with a big smile, play the Hawaiian guitar with all those flourishes and playing 'drums' on it but he could never play in tune. One of the major jokes that went the rounds was that Tex beat one of his kids half to death because the kid untuned one string on Tex's guitar and wouldn't tell him which one". Carman died at the age of 64 and there is little doubt that he was indeed a character who deserves to be remembered.

Discography:
Country Caravan (Modern 1959)***, Jenks "Tex" Carman (Sage 1960)***, The Ole Indian (Sage 1962)***, Early Dobro (1962)***, Jenks "Tex' Carman Sings And Plays (Sage 1963)**, Tex Carman (Crown 60s)***, Wreck Of The Old "97 (Old Homestead 1982)**, Hillbilly Hula (Bear Family 1991)***, Chippeha! 1947-1957 recordings (Revenant 1998)***.

HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 04 January 2004 02:12 PM     profile   send email     edit
Sounds like a character...would of loved to have met him
Ed Naylor
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From: portsmouth.ohio usa

posted 04 January 2004 02:26 PM     profile   send email     edit
Thanks for this info. It is responses like these that make this forum useful. I have been around a "FEW" years and feel I have a good knowledge of music and especially Steel Guitar. It really makes me feel good when I can offer a little info that may in some way fill in a gap especially "History" or research of the music scene. I have thousands and thousands of old 78's and I love to SYEAP {Shut your eyes and pick] old records and play them . Ed
Herb Steiner
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From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX

posted 04 January 2004 02:39 PM     profile   send email     edit
I remember Tex Carman very well, he used to play on my favorite TV show from the 1960's, "Cal's Corral." He was totally a freakin' joke! We in the bluegrass circles in those days used to laugh our asses off to his music. He wore an Indian get-up, huge feathered war bonnet, the whole nine yards, couldn't play "Come to Jesus" in whole notes, and had a voice most reminiscent of the dying moans of some wounded forest animal... good, though.

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Jody Carver
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From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 04 January 2004 03:04 PM     profile     edit
Boy what knowledge and information here.
Ian that was Great as was Rogers information.
Ian I still owe you something.

Herb I wonder what you guys will say about me
After I'm gone?? nice things I hope. Howard
didnt you mention that you had an uncle Jenks
or was it Jake? Oy.

I didnt want to say this is an earlier post but Jenks would make Roy Smeck sound like
Alvino Rey by comparison,,,nevertheless may he and his "vibrato rest in peace" amen.

Thank You as well Walt for the information.

[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 04 January 2004 at 03:06 PM.]

Billy Wilson
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From: El Cerrito, California, USA

posted 04 January 2004 05:01 PM     profile   send email     edit
In the words of U. Utah Phillips "Why, that's moose turd pie! Good though!!!
Jody Carver
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From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 05 January 2004 07:14 AM     profile     edit
Howard
Can you see if you have Jenks Carmens guitar somewhere in your pile.? If not you must have the feathers not meant as disrepectful. But..maybe a few feathers will tickle all of us.

May he rest in peace and I'm sure he is. Its
those who are buried near Tex that will have a difficult time resting in peace if they can hear that "Wild Vibrato"

No Disrespect intended. He was a character.
But a good soul at that.

Bob Stone
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From: Gainesville, FL, USA

posted 05 January 2004 09:03 AM     profile   send email     edit
Hi,

I have the Revenant CD. It's a hoot.

HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 05 January 2004 10:45 AM     profile   send email     edit
"He sold records".....I'm sure he did because of his crazy style.

When I was getting involved with blugrass dobro,(1970s) I was also becoming enamored with Hawaiian style. I purchased a compilation record of Hawaiian artists and "Hillbilly Hula" by Carman was included. It was such a weird wacky thing that I kept playing it over and over, I guess for the novelty of it. I then searched and found an entire album of his "gems."

Yep, he sold records.......

[This message was edited by HowardR on 05 January 2004 at 10:46 AM.]

Billy Wilson
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From: El Cerrito, California, USA

posted 05 January 2004 02:16 PM     profile   send email     edit
How do you fellas think this guy stacks up with Cousin Jody? That was one goofy steel player.
Ian McLatchie
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

posted 05 January 2004 02:26 PM     profile   send email     edit
"A voice that only a mother could love went well with his jumpy style."

" . . .couldn't play 'Come to Jesus' in whole notes, and had a voice most reminiscent of the dying moans of some wounded forest animal... good, though."

"May he rest in peace and I'm sure he is. Its those who are buried near Tex that will have a difficult time resting in peace if they can hear that 'Wild Vibrato.'"

I trust that anyone who's not familiar with Carman has had their curiosity whetted by these comments, yes? Bear Family may sell more copies of the album this month than they have in the past ten years.

Jody, can you email me? I have something I wanted to pass on to you.

Herb Steiner
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From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX

posted 05 January 2004 02:31 PM     profile   send email     edit
Billy, I'd give the nod to Cousin Jody, because he intended his music to be the ridiculous.

In the case of Tex Carman, I believe his lack of musical skills were not self-acknowledged, shall we say?

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Scott Houston
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From: Oakland, CA

posted 05 January 2004 02:34 PM     profile   send email     edit
Somebody PLEASE post a sample of Tex. My imagination is running wild!
Jody Carver
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From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 05 January 2004 06:26 PM     profile     edit
So in other words,,he sold records Howard?

I guess he must have sold records.


How Many?

HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 05 January 2004 07:17 PM     profile   send email     edit
Jody, I wish I could have taken a few lessons from him. It would have improved my playing .....I wonder how he tuned up? JI?

HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 05 January 2004 07:24 PM     profile   send email     edit
Jody, since you, me, & Ed have some of his records, does that constitute a quorum for a fan club?

With regard to sound samples....someone....I can record one of Tex's gems onto a cd. Then what? I'd love to post his stuff...it would clear out this thread faster than Exlax with a burrito chaser.....

Jody Carver
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From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 06 January 2004 05:08 AM     profile     edit
Howard
Send them on. I would like to get a load off my mind.
Jody Carver
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From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 06 January 2004 05:13 AM     profile     edit
Are any of you aware that his sister was a famous movie actress in the 1940's..she used
his last name as her first name and she too liked feathers,,I guess they tickled each other for laughs her name ?? Carmen Miranda

Rememeber her?? if you do your as old as I am
She had feathers and bananas stuffed in her hat. I have never seen a hat like that since.

Alvin Blaine
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From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA

posted 06 January 2004 11:31 PM     profile   send email     edit
I have a video of him on the "Ranch Party" and Tex Ritter introduces him as a "Cherokee Indian, called the Dixie Cowboy, from Oklahoma, named Tex, playin' a Hawaiian guitar".
I'll have to go watch the video, but if I remember he was playing with a flat pick and pretty much stayed in between the frets with no recognizable melody.
Earnest Bovine
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From: Los Angeles CA USA

posted 07 January 2004 08:03 AM     profile   send email     edit
Was he as bad as this?

[This message was edited by Earnest Bovine on 07 January 2004 at 08:40 AM.]

HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 07 January 2004 08:34 PM     profile   send email     edit
tough call there Earnest.....this guy is awful in a very lush and classy way. I can see that he takes great pains in reaching those off key notes and maintains a constant level of stinkdom. It appears that there was schooling in this artist's background.

Jenks on the other hand, appeared to have a natural gift of imperfect pitch, both in his playing and his vocal atrocity. He was spontaneous in his absolutly awful renderings. His vocals were rough and gruff. His accompanyment on the Hawaiian guitar created an interwoven congress of offensive soundwaves.

Interesting comparison of styles between two atrocious musicians. Bravissimo!

Earnest Bovine
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From: Los Angeles CA USA

posted 07 January 2004 10:44 PM     profile   send email     edit
I hope I haven't hurt anyone's feelings here.
HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 08 January 2004 05:13 AM     profile   send email     edit
well, eardrums maybe....
Alvin Blaine
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From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA

posted 09 January 2004 02:16 AM     profile   send email     edit
quote:
Was he as bad as this?

I can't believe that I listened to that whole song.

I always thought that Tex Carmen was the inspiration for Lester "Roadhog" Moran and the Cadillac Cowboys.

Jussi Huhtakangas
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From: Helsinki, Finland

posted 15 January 2004 10:17 PM     profile   send email     edit
And Hooray!!! Bear Family will be releasing two more cd's AND a whole 50 minute DVD of Jenks at the Town Hall Party!!!! These will be out in February and filed under "cow punk"

[This message was edited by Jussi Huhtakangas on 16 January 2004 at 12:29 AM.]

HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 16 January 2004 05:13 AM     profile   send email     edit
and he's still selling them!

That means there's hope for me..

Jerry Hayes
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From: Virginia Beach, Va.

posted 16 January 2004 12:02 PM     profile   send email     edit
I remember Tex from the old Town Hall Party and Cal's Corral. He played an old Martin like a Dobro. I've heard that he used an open E tuning but I'm not sure if that's a fact. On the front of his guitar which was actually the side facing the crowd he had decals of square dancers and used a Stevens type bar. I actually thought he was pretty cool with some spitting type of simple licks, some almost sounded like the forerunner to chicken pickin'. He did have an intonation problem thought. Is spite of all his "shortcomings" how many of us here will be able to have a post about us in the Forum 36 years after our death. Evidently he accomplished more in his musical career than most of his detractors.....have a great one, JH

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[This message was edited by Jerry Hayes on 16 January 2004 at 12:03 PM.]

Ron Whitfield
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From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA

posted 02 February 2004 11:58 AM     profile   send email     edit
Ebay #2593056996 is a rare LP in decent cond., by Tex, with a nice pic of him on the cover, probably shot in the later 60s. At $4 and 0 bids, this may be the deal of the week, or maybe not.
John Billings
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From: Northfield Center, Ohio, USA

posted 02 February 2004 01:34 PM     profile   send email     edit
Earnesto, I can't stop laughing! This is gettin' sent to everybody I know! Thanks for the lift. JB
Rick Dempster
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From: Brunswick East, Victoria, Australia

posted 03 February 2004 05:00 PM     profile   send email     edit
On Mike Auldridges first album, titled 'Dobro', the opening track was a brief clip of Carmen's 'Hillbilly Hula' with a fadeout
(maybe a 'fade-in' too)It's a long time since I've listened to that record, and I don't know if it was actually Tex Carmen's recording; but as I recall it was pretty close. The idea of the seamlessly-smooth Auldridge imitating Tex's playing might amuse you people who find these old trax so comical. Carmen was pretty weird, to be sure, but I don't recall his playing being as bad as everyone here seems to think. Most of my vinyl collection is in storage just now, but I will pull out the Carmen trax at some stage and have another listen. As I recall, a little Tex goes a long way, and I bought what I have mainly as a curiosity. Both his singing and playing were, to say the least, strident, but I found his 'lyricising' the weirdest thing about him; What language is 'chookle-hai'(one of Tex's 'hollers';my spelt interpretation)drawn from? However, I assume Auldridge must have had some fondness for 'Hillbilly Hula' to have included it on his debut album. Maybe if anyone is in touch with Mike they could ask him. The answer would be interesting, whatever it is.
Ron Whitfield
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From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA

posted 04 February 2004 03:42 PM     profile   send email     edit
I'd have to say that ol' Tex's playing was at least as bad as what has been described. I have the retrospective CD pax that came out a few years ago, and once thru was enuf. Even Jerry Byrd said the fella was considered a joke by those in the biz. But he was an interesting intertainer, and certainly a favorite of the Town Hall skull orchard. I can't wait to get the new DVD of his performances from those days. Kill me again Tex!

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