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Kevin Ruddell
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From: Toledo Ohio USA

posted 05 February 2004 02:50 AM     profile   send email     edit

I use pro pick reso angled nickel fingerpicks which I don't bend . I noticed the teacher I just started taking lessons from bends his fingerpicks to totally conform to the shape of his fingertip pad . He recommended this to me ,but when I tried , it seems I just couln't get any picking surface going too well. I was curious if any other players do , or don't bend their metal fingerpicks ?
thank you for any comments
David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 05 February 2004 07:27 AM     profile   send email     edit
My impression is that most players bend the picks at least a little, some a lot. You're probably just not used to the new shape. On the other hand those angled picks are different. I tried them and didn't care for them.
Fred Glave
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From: McHenry, Illinois, USA

posted 05 February 2004 08:07 AM     profile   send email     edit
I think you can get used to almost anything over time. Maybe just a little bend keeps the string from hanging up on the pick and then snapping for a louder/sharper sound than desired.

[This message was edited by Fred Glave on 05 February 2004 at 08:07 AM.]

Lincoln Goertzen
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From: Rose Prairie, British Columbia, Canada

posted 05 February 2004 10:22 AM     profile   send email     edit
Fred nailed it. You can get used to anything.

If you can get a good sound out of unbent, angled fingerpicks, by all means, do so.

If you find your sound is too harsh, or something, try bending them.

Lincoln

Jesse Pearson
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From: San Diego , CA

posted 05 February 2004 10:39 AM     profile   send email     edit
Bend em, or your gonna catch the string and loosen up the pick or rip it off your finger sometimes. I studied a bunch of pictures of famous guys and it looked like they all bent the pick around their fingers. I've stopped using picks for awhile so I can switch off to guitar fast, but picks sound the best.

[This message was edited by Jesse Pearson on 05 February 2004 at 10:41 AM.]

Ron Whitfield
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From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA

posted 05 February 2004 12:14 PM     profile   send email     edit
Jerry Byrd has his(National/Dunlop) bent fully around the tip(not that you have to), and I've found it to be best for myself, as I usually want much less of a pick sound, and can get anything from a whisper to full attack. I also use National/Dunlop, and am not familiar with those you use.
Travis Bernhardt
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From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

posted 05 February 2004 01:47 PM     profile   send email     edit
I've found that getting finger picks to feel perfect is a never ending process. Right now I'm using the angled Propiks. The pick on my index finger is angled one way, and the picks on my middle and ring fingers are angled the other way. It's kind of ridiculous, but it's sort of working for me.

I too have been considering bending them a bit, although they're not as easy to bend as some others. The thing is, I try to get whatever picks I'm wearing to work with my hand position as much as I can. But as I change my hand position, I feel like I need to adjust my picks.

If I'm resting the side of my hand on the strings at/near the bridge (24th fret or beyond), then the angled Propiks work quite well, as the pick is angled in such a way as to allow me to pick comfortably without twisting my wrist too much. If I pick further out towards the nut (ballpark 12th fret), I need to rotate my wrist a little, and here the picks would need to be anlged the other way to get the same effect. So it's kind of a dilemma.

Also, I find I'm starting to curl my fingers under my hand a bit more. This is why I'm considering bending the picks a little (although for now I just shove them on a little tighter, so that the pick part doesn't stick out as much).

I play a lot without finger picks, and that's where I work on my hand position. My philosophy with pick adjustments is to try and match my "no picks" hand position as much as possible.

Anyways, if that made any sense at all, then give yourself an 'A' for reading comprehension.

-Travis

Karl Schaefer
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From: Marina, California, USA

posted 05 February 2004 02:00 PM     profile   send email     edit
I would like to add to the bent/straight discussion, that I've 'invented' a two-way finger pick: they work while closing and opening your fingers.

With their tips bent inward and soldered together, they never get caught between the strings. What's interesting though is that they have a different voice depending on whether you're plucking toward or strumming away from you.

And they work for pick dampening too, though a brief metallic sound is heard whilst pushing the 'points' between the strings (as when any metal pick first strikes the string). Very percussive sounds are also feature of this type of pick.

The bend then, is equal for each side, so that the 'point' is on the centerline of your finger. And, of course, you get use to it!

Ian McLatchie
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

posted 05 February 2004 02:10 PM     profile   send email     edit
Kevin: Every time this topic comes up there seem to be almost as many different answers as there are people responding to the question. I don't think anyone can dictate what's right or wrong on this one. The relative lengths of a person's fingers and thumb and the musculature of the hand is different in every person, and this alone means that there's not going to be a one-size-fits-all
solution to the question of what are the best picks, or how or if they should be bent. I use the Pro Pik reso. picks too, without any bend. For me, discovering them was a revelation. They not only improved my tone greatly, but considerably reduced the fatigue in my hand. On the other hand (no pun intended), I know people who've tried them and found them very unsatisfactory.
What works, works. Go with what feels best for you. Good technique is impossible without comfort.
Bob Stone
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From: Gainesville, FL, USA

posted 05 February 2004 03:03 PM     profile   send email     edit
I have found that using two different sets of picks works best for me: one for my acoustic reso and another for my Stringmaster and Ric Bakelite 6.

In both cases I use .018 Dunlop finger picks and Golden Gate thumbpicks. I like the light guage picks because they easily fit my fingers and are comfortable (got the idea from JB).

For the electric set-up I bend the fingerpicks to closely fit the contour of my finger tips and trim some material from the tip of the thumbpick, then polish it. The Ric and Fender require picking not too deeply and of course hard picking is not needed that often on electrics.

For the acoustic set I don't bend the fingerpicks as much. I find that approach gives me more power (leverage) for hard picking, which is something I frequently do on the reso. I leave the thumbpick full length for the same reasons.

I use a Gary Swallow bar for the reso and a bullet for the electrics, so I have two seperate pick/bar bags.

By the way Howard R., after several months of regular use I have yet to drop the Swallow bar or accidently knock it off the dining room table onto the ceramic tile floor. Does this mean I have to relinquish my title as Lord of the Dings?

This is off-topic, but I really have grown to like the Swallow bar. There is something nice about holding hardwood instead of steel.

Travis Bernhardt
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From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

posted 05 February 2004 07:18 PM     profile   send email     edit
Karl, what a cool idea. PSG clawhammer style! I have often wanted to be able to strum downwards with the backs of my fingers while wearing finger picks. Do you have any pictures?

-Travis

Ian McLatchie
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

posted 05 February 2004 07:23 PM     profile   send email     edit
Actually, I have to revise what I said. I do bend my Pro Piks somewhat (I've been using the same pair for so long that I forgot). Again, though, it's purely a matter of personal preference and comfort. I know players far better than I ever hope to be who bend the picks almost to conform fully to the shape of the fingertips, and others who seem to like them just as they come. Comfort is the key.

[This message was edited by Ian McLatchie on 05 February 2004 at 07:24 PM.]

Karl Schaefer
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From: Marina, California, USA

posted 06 February 2004 03:26 PM     profile   send email     edit
Thanks Travis. I'll post 'Pick' pic's as soon as I perfect the photo procedure (Never have done it, eh)!

I have wondered where someone with skill could take this idea. I can do simple rakes and arpeggios, but fail at flamenco-type-flourishs.

I did send a set of three to a local hero, Bob Brozman, who, if you've heard him play his acoustic arsenal of National Tricones and Weissenborn Hawaiians, surely has seven fingers on his picking hand anyway.

The only other similiar finger pick I've seen is an interesting fragile wire type that sitar players use for bi-directional picking. I've not seen what the (claw hammer) banjo players may use.

As far as mine, I'm pleased to pass it on.

Patrick Ickes
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From: Upper Lake, CA USA

posted 06 February 2004 08:22 PM     profile   send email     edit
Karl,
Clawhammer banjo pickers don't use any picks.
The finger is pushed onto the string and the "release" of the string is the note you hear. It's quite tricky, and something I've not tried because I like Scruggs Style with picks. If you look at the player's hand, it's as though he's holding a hammer.
OK B0b, fire away with your anti-banjo comments.
Pat
HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 06 February 2004 10:37 PM     profile   send email     edit
Karl, send the photo to me and I'll post it.

[This message was edited by HowardR on 08 February 2004 at 05:25 AM.]

Rick Aiello
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From: Berryville, VA USA

posted 07 February 2004 06:49 AM     profile   send email     edit
I use one plastic fingerpick ... along with a Zookie-30 thumbpick.

"Two-pick Rick"

I heat it up in some boilin' water and bend it around the contour of my finger ... so that the front edge is even with my fingernail.

I like the "equivalent" tone it produces ... relative to my thumbpick.


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[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 07 February 2004 at 06:55 AM.]

Kevin Ruddell
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From: Toledo Ohio USA

posted 08 February 2004 04:13 AM     profile   send email     edit
Thanks for writing in your comments , experiences and thoughts on my question about fingerpick shape, it's much appreciated.
I had been been having a heck of a time hanging on to my bullet bar lately for some reason. I work maintenance in a large elementary public school and wash my hands frequently each day. I overheard the janitors talking abut the fact they don't use the school provided Ivory Soap bars as they draw all oil off your hands , bingo , another learning experience. I switched to a different soap and it's back to hanging on to the bar like usual
HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 08 February 2004 05:23 AM     profile   send email     edit
quote:
I have yet to drop the Swallow bar or accidently knock it off the dining room table onto the ceramic tile floor. Does this mean I have to relinquish my title as Lord of the Dings?

Yes Bob, I'm afraid so, but don't fret, you are now an honorary Cling-on. May the farce be with you.

I'd like to try one of those bars. I've heard good things about them also.

Budd Kelley
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From: Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA

posted 08 February 2004 08:39 AM     profile   send email     edit
My hands were drying out with winter and the harsh cleansers at work. So I went in to a big dept store, marched right up to the cosmetics counter and asked the lady what she had that wouldn't make me smell like my mother! She recommended "Clinique Deep Comfort Body Butter". Good Stuff! I use it at bedtime and I am good to go for a few days. It lasts through handwashings and doesn't make things slippery AFTER it is absorbed. (That is why I use it at bedtime.)

I give it my Seal Of Approval.
(Imagine crossed cigars over a field of little Miller bottles!)

[This message was edited by Budd Kelley on 08 February 2004 at 03:42 PM.]

Donald Ruetenik
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From: Pleasant Hill, California, USA

posted 08 February 2004 09:02 AM     profile   send email     edit
Yeah, I'd only use it on my hands, though.
HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 08 February 2004 11:38 AM     profile   send email     edit
rimshot.....and a good one at that!
Karl Schaefer
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From: Marina, California, USA

posted 11 February 2004 03:10 PM     profile   send email     edit
HowardR, thank you in advance for your assistance. I'm charging up the digital!

As a new member, I want to say that it is great to feel so welcome.

2/13 edit: I need to charge my brain - Can't get a 137 meg JPEG to e-mail to you. IPS protocol problem. How did I get this far in life without these skills? (Missed out on all of that 'hot-tubbing thing' too) I could put them in a box and overnight them faster than this! I'd sure like everyone to see them, so I'll pound on at it.

[This message was edited by Karl Schaefer on 13 February 2004 at 05:27 PM.]

Karl Schaefer
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From: Marina, California, USA

posted 20 February 2004 10:03 AM     profile   send email     edit
HowardR: Saw your photo post concerning the Ebay 'Sting'-Master.

I had no idea I was e-mailing my finger pick 'pic' to a distinguished person such as yourself, and I'm grateful that a man in your position has offered to help me post.

Thank you in advance for your time sir, and, you'll find the 87 meg jpg file was sent to you via an alternate internet service provider.

I remain humbly indebted, your (new) four-neck-friend, Krayz Karl.

Oh, where did you find the OEM pant type hangers? Fender did make the original shirt style up until '58, like I have. Your's look better!

Kevin Ruddell
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From: Toledo Ohio USA

posted 20 February 2004 05:11 PM     profile   send email     edit
I just put the pro piks away and went back to Dunlop National and it seems to be better with regards to the new finger / hand position my teacher's been steering me to. It's different than the hand position I started out with on my Regal Dobro
HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 20 February 2004 07:39 PM     profile   send email     edit
quote:
a man in your position has offered to help me post.

That position is usually 180 degress....but seriously folks, you've all been waiting with bated breath, and many of you with bad breath,
and so without any further ado....the "Bipick"

Travis Bernhardt
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From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

posted 20 February 2004 09:46 PM     profile   send email     edit
That is one of the coolest ideas I've seen in a long time. For me it would be especially useful for playing my acoustic twelve-string steel guitar (six string pairs, not twelve independent strings). Sometimes I want to hit (or just emphasize) the higher octave string in the pair--which would require a thumb stroke--but my thumb is busy. This would allow me to stroke up with the fingers, and would also allow some flamenco type effects.

I don't suppose you've got any extras lying around you'd be willing to part with...

-Travis

John Kavanagh
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From: Kentville, Nova Scotia, Canada

posted 21 February 2004 11:28 AM     profile   send email     edit
Karl/Howard: I have three picks I made up exactly as you show them, by using two fingerpicks soldered together. Yours is a much neater job than I did, though - I didn't file off most of the ring part of one pick, as it looks like you did, and I used epoxy to hold the two rings together, though I soldered and buffed the tips as you have.


The reason I don't use them too often is that they seem awfully noisy, but I was playing an acoustic and whacking it pretty hard. Part of the downpicking style is the percussive effect of string noise - but it was too much for me, and the damping didn't sound good either. It might work better on an electric, with a subtler technique.

I play clawhammer banjo, too, and have tried a couple of ways to find/adapt fingerpicks that could do down-and-up-picking. The Propiks flew off at unpredictable and usually inconvenient moments. I bought a set of those mizrabs, the Indian sitar picks, and I liked them, but when I did blindfold A/B tests everybody liked the sound of standard picks or bare fingers better.

The search continues, but I think you're on the right track.

[This message was edited by John Kavanagh on 21 February 2004 at 11:34 AM.]

Karl Schaefer
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From: Marina, California, USA

posted 23 February 2004 11:29 AM     profile   send email     edit
Travis/John: Thanks for your remarks.

Bipicks have huge sound on Dobro, and might mean a new term for Banjo: Sledge-Hammer. With Lap/Hawaiian amp work, flat compression rakes, straight up picks, or upward plucks produce different voices due to the PART of the pick TIP that leaves the string. That choice of tone is doubled if you add the direction of the stroke. (As if we didn't already have enough to keep track of!).

By "upping & downing" at the same time, I'm all caught up in the tones (but, not the strings). Now, if I could just do it all 'In Time' ...!

I bet you Northern players can. Please e-mail your address for an unmarked plain wrapper pack-o-picks.

Include your guage preference: lights "ring", and heavies - uh, have "character". You will need to guess on finger size so I can get'em close. For reference, Danny Gatton had BIG fingers.

Just donate to the SGF to cover shipping and handling. Some satisfaction gar-on-teed, needle nose pliers not included.

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