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Topic: Nashville Jerry Byrd
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Ed Altrichter
Member From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA
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posted 29 March 2004 04:56 PM
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I'd like to hear an mp3 of Jerry Byrd playing for Hank Williams... if anyone would be so kind... |
C Dixon
Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 29 March 2004 05:49 PM
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I do not know how to post an MP3 or I would do just that for you. And the one I would pick is "I'm So Lonesome I could Cry", one of Hank's AND Jerry's all time greatest recordings.In the mean time, I am going to try to send you and email with the MP3 of the subject recording. carl |
C Dixon
Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 29 March 2004 05:59 PM
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Ok Ed,I just sent it to you, let me know if you did not receive it. This is one of my all time favorites of HW and the main reason is Jerry's awesome turnaround on this classic, carl |
Ed Altrichter
Member From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA
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posted 29 March 2004 07:23 PM
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Nope Carl, it didn't come through... Thanks, though. |
C Dixon
Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 29 March 2004 07:37 PM
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ok, I will back up an punt. I am going to give it my best shot to post an MP3 file. Time will tell  carl |
Ed Altrichter
Member From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA
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posted 29 March 2004 08:31 PM
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The tension mounts...the crowd is hushed in anticipation... |
C Dixon
Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 30 March 2004 07:08 AM
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Well I struck out on posting an MP3 file. But try this. Click on the following link. When you get there and enter the sight, scroll until you find "Real Country Archives Page 6". Click on it and scroll down 'til you see "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" by Hank williams.You can just listen to it OR you can download it if you wish by clicking on the appropriate Icon. Left (guitar) to just listen; Right (boot) to download. Enjoy:
http://recordlady.webgcs.com/ carl[This message was edited by C Dixon on 30 March 2004 at 07:13 AM.] |
Ed Altrichter
Member From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA
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posted 30 March 2004 12:36 PM
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Carl ,
Wow ! What a coooool site ! Thanks a bunch for putting me on to it !
So... that was Jerry Byrd ? I thought I never had heard him before, but here I have been listening to him for years ! I always thought that was Don Helms playing on that song. Is there a "rest of the story" like Paul Harvey always says ?
Is Jerry Rivers playing fiddle on this record, or who is that, then ?
On page six of this site there is a song called "Ain't We Crazy" . My mom used to sing that a long time agoooo !
Thanks again, this is just great !
Ed |
C Dixon
Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 30 March 2004 03:47 PM
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Ed,Don Helms pinpointed the exact recording he first played on for HW. prior to this many recordings were Jerry Byrd. I have them all on one tape somewhere. Please don't hold me to it, but it seems that DH's first recording was "Moanin' the Blues". Again I am not sure, but I seem to recall that is the one Don pinpointed for me. I bought a 3 CD set of every single HW ever recorded, and one can tell Jerry Byrd in a heartbeat if you are a diehard JB fan as I am. One song by HW, "Mansion on the Hill" is one of my all time favorites. Sadly, that song is not on the website you linked to. Jerry's back up work on that was the inspiration for many a player including myself. The greatest is Buddy Emmons. He did a classic version of Jerry's rendition in the 1977 ISGC. Fortunately there is a 2 record album of that incredible set where Buddy introduced the ebow on that very song. Jerry is Buddy Emmons' idol on the steel guitar. Glad ya liked the sight. I love that sight. I have made many dowloads that bring me nostalgia like few other things have. carl |
C Dixon
Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 30 March 2004 05:05 PM
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Ok Ed,The following lists all the songs JB cut with HW as best as I can determine. One of them I am not 100% sure about. I have starred it (*). 1. My Sweet Love Ain't Around.
2. Rootie Tootie
3. Honky Tonkin'
4. I'll Be a Bachelor 'til I Die
5. I'm a Long Gone Daddy
6. The Blues Come Around
7. A Mansion on the Hill
9. I Can't Get You off my Mind
10. Lovesick Blues
11. There'll Be No Teardrops Tonight
12. Lost Highway *
13. I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry
14. My Bucket's Got a Hole in It
15. I Just Don't Like This Kind of Livin'
16. A House Without a Home For those of you who wish to hear the infamous Rick "moan", get a copy of "There'll Be No Teardrops Tonight" and "A House is Not a Home". The moan rings out loud and clear on those two classics. Take care Ed, I must say you caused some tears to flow tonight as I listened to parts of everyone of the 84 singles trying to find those that Jerry Byrd played on. I can't tell you how this effected me. I will be 72 the 5th of next month and I was not even a teenager when many of these songs were made. It has been over 60 yrs since I have heard some of them. Both my precious Dad and mother have gone. And many of the tunes brought back golden memories. Thank you dear friend, carl |
John Tipka
Member From: Reynoldsburg,OH
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posted 30 March 2004 05:35 PM
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Carl,"A Mansion On The Hill" is the second song in the Real Country Page Twenty Six list of songs on the Record Lady's website: http://recordlady.webgcs.com/main2.htm How about the last song on Real Country Page Sixteen - Ernest Ashworth's "You Can't Pick A Rose In December" or maybe George Morgan's "Mr Ting-a-Ling (Steel Guitar Man) on Archives Page Eight. Maybe these too: Marty Robbins "Aloha Oe" on Request Page One, and "Beyond The Reef", and "Ka-lu-a" on Request Page Two. "Steel Guitar Rag", "Lovesick Blues", etc., etc. etc. John |
Ed Altrichter
Member From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA
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posted 30 March 2004 06:07 PM
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Carl,
In just a short time I'm finding so many songs that my mom and uncles used to sing , on the site you sent me! I'm going to have my nephew burn a bunch of them onto a cd.
You're 72 ? I'm 62. I have a friend who is 83 and still sings and plays in a club we go to with other friends. He plays a saxophone and sings jazz, though. And you don't dare say anything about country music around him because that is just awful, as far as he is concerned, regardless of the fact that his favorite genre has such gems as "Minnie the Moocher", etc. Ha ha ! But we have a lot of fun ! He just had a prostate operation about a month ago. He was out of action for a while, but last weekend he was right back out there, party-ing down !
I read somewhere that Jerry Byrd only recorded on Hank's records that he cut for the "Sterling" label, so I have been assuming all this time that The steel sound on Hank's MGM records is Don Helms ! Live an' learn, huh !
I really like the steel sound that Hoot Rains did on Slim Whitman's records ! Is that a pedal or straight steel ? I love that high, singing, sliding harmonic, or whatever that is ! I wish I could do that. I just play a Dobro, and try to copy Brother Oswald ! ED
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C Dixon
Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 30 March 2004 06:12 PM
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Oh John,Hmmmm, her index does not list it. Or maybe I went past it. Thanks for the info dear friend, carl |
John Tipka
Member From: Reynoldsburg,OH
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posted 30 March 2004 06:24 PM
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Carl,Read it as "A Mansion On The Hill" - you need to be looking at A's not M's in the index. John |
Ed Altrichter
Member From: Schroeder, Minnesota, USA
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posted 30 March 2004 06:24 PM
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Little Roy Wiggins is known as "Mr. Ting-a-ling", right ?
Who plays on the older Carl Smith records? I think it's John something... he has sort of a "ting-a-ling" sound too. I really like that. What kind of steel does he play ? |
Jack Byrd
Member From: Kalamazoo, Michigan
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posted 30 March 2004 06:39 PM
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Maybe I can add some to the rest of the story. In the recent past Jerry told me a little about some of his recordings with Hank Williams. Jerry was located in Cincinnati for either all or most of the recordings. Hank usually was on the road and would stop in Cincy to record specifically to have Jerry on the steel guitar. I understand Don Helms was even in the studio when some of them were recorded but Hank used Jerry by his request. Most of the songs were new at the time and Jerry had not even heard them until it was time to record so there was not any time to get ready so to say for the session, they were done on the fly. I can't tell you how many of the previous listed tunes in Carl's post were done in Cincy, I doubt that Jerry could either. Jerry always played how he felt on a particular day and how he thought his playing would fit into the tune, one day he would maybe play it one way the next a different way. Many people have a hard time accepting this but that is how it was. Therefore none of the HW songs were ever tabbed by him. He always says he was trying to make a living back then and being a session muscian one day ran into the next as far as remembering what he did on a particular song. He also has said to me he never heard many of these played after the record was out, by that he never made a conscious effort to hear the song played, but I am sure he heard some of them on the radio now and then. So if someone was to ask him to tab out a certain song he played with HW 40-50 years ago he couldn't do it, unless someone sent him a tape of it or a CD, then of course I am sure he could. |
C Dixon
Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 30 March 2004 07:56 PM
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Ed,Not sure which steeler you are referring to. But Johnny Sibert is the most likely one. He did have a "ting-a-ling" but it was quite different from Little Roy's. Roy's was more mellow and fit Eddy's voice like a glove. Johnny's was more "country" and of course fit Carl's voice similarly. Johnny was inducted to the SGHOF a few years ago. Roy was inducted quite some time ago. And thanks again John. That is precisely what I was doing. Until tonight, would you believe I NEVER realized the "A" was in there. Ya live and learn, don't ya carl |
Tim Whitlock
Member From: Arvada, CO, USA
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posted 31 March 2004 06:38 AM
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I originally, like others, had thought that Don Helms did all the steel work on Hank's recordings. As I listened closely I began to hear differences in the steel sounds on some of the songs. Some of the steel had a darker tone and more comlex chord phrasing. Other songs had a strong melodic style that favored the upper registers. Later on I learned that it was Jerry Byrd playing that subtle unbelievably beautiful steel behind Hank, and Helms belting out that strident melody. I think "Mind Your Own Business" is my favorite, where Jerry does those rich rolling arpeggios that just take your breath away. I find myself going back to those recordings to marvel at the great sounds these two masters produced. [edited for spelling][This message was edited by Tim Whitlock on 31 March 2004 at 10:19 AM.] |
Jesse Pearson
Member From: San Diego , CA
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posted 31 March 2004 08:41 AM
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This particular era of non pedal steel playing is my favorite kind of of country Hawaiian steel playing, the 40'and 50' sound like such a wonderful era. I play this stuff just to feel like I'm livin back in them there days. I owe JB and DH alot for sharing and teachin me how to do it. Man, I get a great feeling inside from being able to kinda play like them if you know what I mean. My friends all love it too.  |
Kenny Dail
Member From: Kinston, N.C. 28504
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posted 31 March 2004 12:51 PM
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The 40s and 50s was a great time for those of us that wanted to learn to play during that time period. I bought a steel (used 7 string Rick bakelite) from a local dealer for $50 and bought everything I could find that Jerry Byrd played and thus started my mucical voyage.For the record, the steeler for the Sterling Records was Dale "Dusty" Loman. Dale also played on some of the MGM stuff such as, I Saw The Light, LastNight I heard You Crying In You Sleep and possibly another one or two that I can't recall. Carl, Lost Hyway and You're gonna Change or I'm Gonna Leave and Luke Drifter's Dear Brother which included a duet with Audrey was Don Davis. Fiddle player for the Sterling label and early stuff on MGM was Tommy Jackson and or Dale Potter. Jerry Rivers didn't play on Hanks records until Hank formed the Cowboys that included Don Helms. ------------------
kd...and the beat goes on... |
George Rout
Member From: St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
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posted 31 March 2004 01:51 PM
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Kind of a side note (if you'll pardon the pun), Roy Wiggins was my mentor when I was taking Hawaiian guitar lessons in 1948. Our 7 year old grandson I think is following in my footsteps (I'm 67) and wants to play like me. Last week, I gave him a CD of Roy Wiggins, and after about 30 seconds, he said, "This isn't Roy Wiggins, this is you Grandpa". It brought tears to my eyes. Geo |
Jesse Pearson
Member From: San Diego , CA
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posted 01 April 2004 10:31 AM
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George, I agree with you that Roy is one of the big stars to learn from, I have enjoyed studying his instructional course and listening to him with Eddie Arnold. Great vibes all around. |
Gary Harris
Member From: Hendersonville, TN, USA
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posted 13 April 2004 10:57 AM
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"Mansion On The Hill", yes ther's a atory there. Some say it's not true. You be the judge. It seems that when Hank came to Nashville he visited Fred Rose of Acuff Rose publishing. Hank played some of his songs for Mr.Rose but Mr. Rose was not convinced that this Hank Williams actually wrote these songs. As a test, Mr. Rose told Hank a story and suggested he go back to his hotel and write a song about the story. Hank came back the next day with, "Mansion On The Hill."
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