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Topic: Wher are the scale slants on a C6 and E9 ?
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Sonny Miller
Member From: Lino Lakes, Minnesota, USA
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posted 02 June 2004 02:43 PM
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Can anyone tell a freind Bill Thompson a freind of mine from Colorado,some ways to get scales (without pedals), but with slants, on a E9th or C6 neck?
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Chris Scruggs
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 02 June 2004 07:15 PM
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With slants, of course!On C6, here is a major scale in the key of F. Thie will be completely on the 2nd and 5th strings(if your first string is E). 1.straight bar on the fifth fret. 2.slant bar with 2nd string on the 7th fret, 5th string on the 6th fret. 3.slant bar with 2nd string on the 9th fret, 5th string on the 8th fret. 4.straight bar on the 10th fret. 5.straight bar on the 12th fret. 6.slant bar with the 2nd string on the 14 fret, 5th string on the 13th fret. 7.slant bar with the 2nd string on the 16th fret, 5th string on the 15th fret. 8.stright bar on the 17th fret. Chris S |
Sonny Miller
Member From: Lino Lakes, Minnesota, USA
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posted 03 June 2004 06:54 AM
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Thanks Chris , this will get Bill started,and he thanks you, and I am trying to talk him into joining the Forum as soon as possible, as it is the best thing that can happen to a sttel player. And thank you Denny T for the site you emailed him also.
Edwin D10 Williams 8+5
Edwin |
Ray Montee
Member From: Portland, OR, USA
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posted 03 June 2004 10:13 AM
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If your friend is serious, why not LISTEN.
A scale seems to be a scale, do, ri, ma, fa, se, la, ti, do or whatever.9 I learned that from SOUND of MUSIC.Just listen, look for it, find it and play it. The positions apply in all keys. C6th.. |
Billy Henderson
Member From: Portland, AR, USA
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posted 03 June 2004 11:18 AM
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I may be wrong but in a major scale the Root, 4th and 5th are going to be major which is straight bar. All others in scale are minors all slanted??? |
Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 03 June 2004 11:21 AM
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This might help your friend ... ------------------
www.horseshoemagnets.com [This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 27 June 2005 at 09:25 AM.] |
Bob Hickish
Member From: Port Ludlow, Washington, USA
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posted 03 June 2004 01:02 PM
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Ed
I think Bill would do just fine learning the C6th tuning with the suggestions offered here / When I started using it I did a similar practice , The string two and five slant & straight bar positions can be duplicated on string 3 & 6 BUT the slant is reversed / if Bill will take a simple tune like " You Are My Sunshine " and find it using this info ! and ! what Ray suggested ! - just hear it !
before you know it he will be using the positions with no problem / There are minors and augmented / diminished that are just as straight foreword as these simple slant positions .
I have been messing with the steel for over 50 years { not to be confused with talent } and I don't like to learn things from tabs /
But I did something that I thought I would never do and that is !!
I ordered Cindy Cashdollors C6th western swing tape - I thought , IF ! I could learn ONE thing from this talented lady it would be worth it - she has so much info in here corse That I would recommend it to Bill ! or any one for that mater |
Bob Hickish
Member From: Port Ludlow, Washington, USA
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posted 03 June 2004 01:10 PM
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I forgot to mention Cindy has a pleasant presentation !
and Good Looking as well !!!!!! :] you will be in love with her
before you know it :] :] :] |
tbhenry
Member From: Trenton GA USA
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posted 03 June 2004 04:06 PM
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Hi,
When you say C6th do you mean a 10 string c6 like on a pedal steel, except you don't use the pedals and use the slants instead. Brian |
Ray Montee
Member From: Portland, OR, USA
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posted 03 June 2004 04:34 PM
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Why not start with a SIX STRING C6th? THere's enough there to occupy your mind and your free time for months and/or years. THINK SMALL.........and not all this complicated stuff.
If your interested in scales at this point, forget all the talk about min. dimin. aug., etc. Let the rythm guys cover the chord; you play the melody line. You'd be surprised how much pretty music you can deliver without ever PLAYING any of those crooked, long-handled chords. One string will often work just fine. |
Billy Henderson
Member From: Portland, AR, USA
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posted 04 June 2004 10:26 AM
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Ray I think you hit the nail on the head! |
Denny Turner
Member From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA
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posted 04 June 2004 05:28 PM
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For folks that might view this discussion in the future; Here is staff and tablature for the simple two-note harmony do-re-mi Major scale in the Maj7 scale box, with a slant on the bottom and top of the scale. A very good exercise for the scale / ear thang, and for practicing slants and moving between straight-bar and slants, and for mentally connecting the reason for slants.Here are forward and reverse slants in two-note harmony, connecting I, IV and V chords as would be used in normal playing. (The reference there to FMaj7 is to show that the same slants work for whichever scale or chord or mode a Player might be thinking in the boxes and the slants' moving upscale or downscale between the boxes to connect them): C6 reverse slants -- strings 3+6).. C6 forward slants -- strings 2+5). C6 reverse slants -- strings 1+4). Aloha,
Denny T~
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tbhenry
Member From: Trenton GA USA
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posted 27 June 2005 09:19 AM
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Could someone show me some e9th non pedal scales and slants. I have tuned my 10 string non pedal to e9th. Thank you Brian |
Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 27 June 2005 09:30 AM
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It ain't a 10 string E9 ... but its Jerry Byrd's 6 string version ... Tunin's Scroll down ... Hope this helps some ... PS: I updated that link above ...
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[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 27 June 2005 at 09:31 AM.]
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Denny Turner
Member From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA
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posted 27 June 2005 04:37 PM
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Brian,Food for thought, just in case it might not have occured to you (or someone else in the future): If you put a 9th on top of the E6 tuning, between the 1 and 3, (on top of the 3 is also quite common); Then you need "only" to visit my posting above (04 June 2004 05:28 PM) for 6th tuning navigation, ...and make your own similar charts with the 9th added. If / when you desire to use only the 9th tuning voicing, then you can simply omitt the 6th tuned string. Making the charts (and studying their how / why in the process) is one of the most effective means to understand a tuning's layout, mapping, math, etc; MUCH better than simply reading from already made charts. It might also help to mention that the harmony scale on your 9th tuned note will follow the same step sequence of the quality & definition of the scale / mode you desire: If it's minor, then the step sequence will be whatever minor scale / mode you desire. In other words, if it's a min7 scale, the harmony on that 9th tuned string will follow the min7 step sequence upscale and downscale on that string for the correct harmonies of that min7 scale. FROM THE 9TH NOTE upward on the string, the min7 would be (Whole / Half steps) 2-3W 3-4h 4-5W 5-6W 6-b7h b7-1W 1-2W to wind up at the 9th an octave higher. If you use "the" modal navigation concepts, even walking up and down the neck with slant-bar harmonies quickly becomes quite intuitionally easy. Using the modal boxes scale systems, you need only remember that a 9th tuned string added to the 6th tuning, will simply make the notes in a box on that string backwards in it's intuitional step sequence placement in a box. 2&1 swapping intuitional step positions in the Dom7 / Mixolydian box for example; And 6&7 swapping positions in the Maj7 box; BUT, not to worry, the correct step sequence will always be right there on the adjacent 3rd note tuned string of the open tuning (1st string if the 3rd is on the top for the open tuning). Until the brain memorizes all the nuances of a 9th tuned string out of a box's step sequence, the ninth tuned string will function more for selective voicing & effect than being in any intuitional scale position (except bar slants walking up or down the neck in harmony). So I suggest treating a 6th/9 tuning as though the 9th tuned string is absent for scales in the box ...adding it whenever the effects it affords is desired; Then after awhile the brain, eye and muscle-motor should assimilate it into intuitional brain-mapping for the ways you've found to use it. ......IMHO. Aloha,
DT~
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Michael Winslow
Member From: San Francisco, California, USA
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posted 01 July 2005 04:43 PM
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And if you're lazy like me, you can always use the amazing chord finder. http://www.mightyfinemusic.com/chord_finder.asp It will generate a 12 fret neck in various tunings and will plot chords, scales and intervals according to the root note you enter. |
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