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Topic: The '55 Ranch Party gang in (((3D)))
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Ron Whitfield
Member From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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posted 07 November 2004 06:19 PM
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I shot the wad on both of these and came up snake eye's each time, but I think some of you will love these unique 1955 outdoors stage photos that were done with 3D photography. We'll have to settle for a bit less, but some the shots are priceless.SEE!- Marian Hall and her Bigsby, up close and personal! The Maddox Bros. and Rose in all their rockin' glory, during the last year of this historic groups life! Merle Travis, Joe Maphis, The Collins Kids, Lefty Frizzel, Tex Carman(!), Les 'Carrot Top' Anderson, the Ranch Party audience!!, Bigsby necked Gibson's, Carvin PU equipped guitars, and all the usual things you don't find anymore. Now, I just hope the linx work...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP.lll?viewItem&item=6127815906
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP.lll?viewItem&category=410&item=6127815906&rd=1 ...if not try searching for item #s 6127815906, 6127812856[This message was edited by Ron Whitfield on 07 November 2004 at 06:21 PM.] |
Dan Sawyer
Member From: Studio City, California, USA
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posted 07 November 2004 09:22 PM
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Ron, you got quite a treasure trove there, man. That's history. I don't think you paid too much. Did you see the one of Joe Maphis leaning over and strumming Merle Travis guitar? Priceless. Did you get the slides in pairs, or just the 2-D version?That sure looks like Calabassas California in the background.[This message was edited by Dan Sawyer on 07 November 2004 at 09:23 PM.] |
Andy Volk
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posted 08 November 2004 03:16 AM
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Holy Toledo, Ron! What a priceless time capsule of American musical history! Fabulous shots of Travis, Maphis, Marian, and the gang. It's only money - right? I'd suggest that after you make good personal copies you might consider sale or donation to a museum like the Experience Music Project or the Country Music Hall of Fame. I downloaded the low-res files from the auction and with your permission, I'd like to send them to Marian. she'd be thrilled to see these. Good 3-D photography can be amazing. I remember finding some shots of my wife's Grandmother in her living room in the early 50's. It was downright weird - there was the same person I knew seated on the same furniture, with the same pictures on the walls but 45 years younger. Well, you made my day, Ron! thanks. |
Denny Turner
Member From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA
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posted 08 November 2004 10:00 AM
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WOW .....what a score Ron!There sure is enough sound and film gear in those pics' background to suggest that there might very well be film and/or audio of that Ranch Party somewhere to match up to those GREAT pictures. Here's a link to a 1958 Tex Ritter film "Ranch Party" (TV Series clips) that I found in a yahoo search for Tex Ritter Ranch Party. There was quite a number of other search returns but I couldn't get the search page to link here due to long addresses that won't word-wrap. Aloha,
DT~
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Dave Van Allen
Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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posted 08 November 2004 12:17 PM
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wow. |
Dan Sawyer
Member From: Studio City, California, USA
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posted 08 November 2004 12:31 PM
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denny, is that a film clip? I didn't see it. |
Ron Whitfield
Member From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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posted 08 November 2004 12:35 PM
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Sorry guys, 'snake eyes' means I lost the bidding (just barely, but this has been a week of hard losses so it just stinks that much more). But I thot these were so special that I had to share AFTER the auction was done. I had more than enuf competition, and the same guy got me on both, so he must have had mucho dinero, which I dint.The seller sed he posted most of the significant shots, but I'm way curious to know what's on the others. I'm hoping the buyer will respond to an inquiery I made. Andy, I was intending to get these shots to Marian somehow, and I'm glad you've got that happening. Please tell her it's from a former fellow Downey resident who wishes her the very best. But as to the pix, I love the shot with the 2 (maybe 3) Standel amps on deck. And the Maddox stuff is beyond compare. To bad the photog didn't have it EVEN more together, but who knew then how important a moment like this was, or would be. Dan, what makes you think this was at Calabassas? This was one point I wanted to get to, just were was this? Who's the guy with the white hat and blue Turk suit? |
Keith DeLong
Member From: Dartmouth NS Canada
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posted 08 November 2004 12:52 PM
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Sorry I missed this one, by the time I saw the post it was off Ebay. I saw some of those shows in the 50's, would like to see the photos if they are available. |
Andy Volk
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posted 08 November 2004 01:40 PM
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Marian was indeed thrilled to see these shots. Thanks for posting them, Ron. She told me they did a 2-hour show every Sunday afternoon for about 2 years. I had no idea Viewmaster made slides for grown ups. It sure would be cool to do a book on the town Hall Party/Ranch Party group that included a cardboard 3-d viewer for the stereo slides. |
Mitch Drumm
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posted 08 November 2004 09:36 PM
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the guy in the closeup with straw cowboy hat and blue shirt is almost certainly skeets mcdonald.the oversize dude in bib overalls with the huge tie is texas tiny. wish i knew who all the girls are.
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Dan Sawyer
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posted 08 November 2004 10:05 PM
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Andy, please ask Marian if the shows were in Calabassas, or where? Ron, i was just guessing, but the California Oak trees in the back and the rolling hills look exactly like it. Calabassas was used to film many cowboy movies and TV shows, so it kinda' makes sense. [This message was edited by Dan Sawyer on 08 November 2004 at 10:06 PM.] |
Jussi Huhtakangas
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posted 09 November 2004 04:38 AM
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The red Standel on stage was Merle's, the green one belonged to Joe Maphis and the white one is Marion Hall's. One of the girls is Mary Lou ( Lefty Frizell pic, standing in the background with a Martin/Bigsby guitar and singing in the next pic ) and Marilyn Tuttle is in a couple of pictures. The girl in a cowboy hat signing autographs could be Molly Bee.
About the pictures, all I can say is WOW!! The winner should make a book out of them! |
Dana Duplan
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posted 09 November 2004 05:11 AM
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Great shots--my favorite era in music! The "cowgirl" signing autographs with the pigtails is Gail Davis--TV's Annie Oakley. I believe that's Hank Penny (striped suit) standing over Maphis in the photo where Joe is playing the fiddle lying down. Did you catch that Maphis is playing two different Super 400's--one cutaway and one non? Of course Carrot Top Anderson is a giveaway due to his trademark shirts. Must be around 1954? Hey Jussi--when did Joe get his Mosrite doubleneck?
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Jussi Huhtakangas
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posted 09 November 2004 06:10 AM
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Dana, that would be either -54 or -55. Deke would know for sure. Joe's non cutaway Super 400 was customized by Paul Bigsby and the cutaway one by Semie Moseley. Notice that Larry Collins has similar customizings on his little hollowbody Gibsons  Deke wrote in his Joe Maphis newsletter, that the cutaway Gibson was ruined after somebody poured beer on it!! What a waste of good beer  |
Ron Whitfield
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posted 09 November 2004 11:43 AM
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Andy, you have my total encouragement to do a HUGE book about THP/Ranch Party, it is SO deserving, I hope it happens. I'm stoked to know that Marian got to enjoy the shots in some form, she otta own them.Who else in those pix that is still alive besides Marian? The Collins Kids, Marilyn Tuttle is still in Canada I believe, Don Maddox(who is interviewed(!) in the current edition of 'Blue Suede News'),... I was dreaming of the oppotunity to see these shots in 3D, as it would be the closest I'll ever get to actually seeing these guy's in person. Sometimes it sux not to be filthy rich. Mitch, Dana, and Jussi, thanx for giving more info! I should have thot of it being Penny as his comic charactor in that crazy suit. What did Texas Tiny do on the show, merely comedic relief? You'd think with all those other charactors on stage, there would be no need for any comedy act. Since Deke was mentioned, does anyone know if he has seen them? I fully expected him to be in the bidding mix, but never saw his handle. I'll E him with the belated tip, as I'm sure he'd like to check them out. My hat is SO off to him for keeping the flame alive. Who's the other guy belting it out in the striped shirt (2 pix)?[This message was edited by Ron Whitfield on 10 November 2004 at 04:26 PM.] |
Denny Turner
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posted 09 November 2004 01:39 PM
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Dan,Yes it's a film or video of a film. I just now edited the link to a better page about the film/video info. The Hollywood FILM cameras in the auction pictures Ron linked to, suggest to me that the Ranch Party shows are likely archived on film / audio somewhere ...especially with the top-shelf talent line-ups they had. Further lending to that supposition is that Tex Ritter's main gig at that time was in media production; And being a BIG movie / music star, he and his operations would certainly have been hooked up with people who knew the importance of archiving. Aloha,
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Al Johnson
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posted 09 November 2004 03:29 PM
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Marilyn Tuttle is alive and well in California-just spoke with her on the phone.
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Andy Volk
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posted 09 November 2004 04:10 PM
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Got a query in to Marian. I'll post her response. I tried to contact the buyer but couldn't get an email address. Maybe I'm not ebay savvy enough. I did pick up this DVD on ebay for $10 bucks: Tex Ritter's Rockin' Ranch Party DVD, 1957 RARE TV. It features the gang two years later than these photos. I'm hoping Marian's on there too.[This message was edited by Andy Volk on 09 November 2004 at 04:15 PM.] |
Ron Whitfield
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posted 09 November 2004 10:22 PM
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Just got an E from Deke Dickerson, and he sez the locale for the shoot was Thousand Oaks, CA. for 2 years running. As Denny mentioned, I too think that A/V footage is sitting in a can somewhere. What a crime against society to keep it from us, I just hope it's still in good shape. It would be great if Bear Family Recs. who have been releasing the THP DVDs could do this too. I'll be trying to get in touch with them, with fingers crossed.Al, very glad to hear that Ms. Tuttle is still enjoying life. Did she have an opportunity to see the pix? Andy, I can't wait to hear more from Ms. Hall, thanx for doing that for us. |
Jussi Huhtakangas
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posted 09 November 2004 10:39 PM
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Andy, yes Marian is on that DVD, and she does some nice solos there too. Watch for the rousing Town Hall Boogie!! The DVD was put out by Dave Travis/Stomper Time Records in England and actually I just met Dave here in Finland last week. He was talking about maybe putting out more of that stuff in the near future.
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Jason Odd
Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
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posted 09 November 2004 11:26 PM
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Wasn't there going to be a web page devoted to Marion?Or did I just dream that up, I seem to recall someone mentioning it, am I going a little nutty? |
CrowBear Schmitt
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posted 10 November 2004 06:29 AM
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i would love to know more about Marion considering that i've just discovered her here & now
great to see a happy steelin lady 
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Dave Van Allen
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posted 10 November 2004 07:03 AM
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looking at the pix (i copied the samples off ebay) it appears Marian was wearing three finger picks as well as a thumb pick- is this correct? |
CrowBear Schmitt
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posted 10 November 2004 07:40 AM
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sure looks like it DVA |
Andy Volk
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posted 10 November 2004 08:06 AM
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CrowBear, Marian is one cool lady! She was a friend of Paul Bigsby and a hot steel soloist in her prime. Even though she has painful rheumatoid arthritis today and can no longer play, she has a wonderful upbeat perspective on her playing years coupled with a great, self-deprecating sense of humor. Her interview is in my lap steel book and Cindy Cashdollar also did a profile on her last year for Terry's magazine. Some folks are working on a HOF nomination for her. |
Andy Volk
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posted 10 November 2004 12:11 PM
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 From Marian:
I am enclosing an attachment containing a picture of the entire Town Hall cast. The pictures you sent me were shot at Sierra Creek Park in the San Fernando Valley. I'll try to verify the city later.This was a two hour live TV show on Sundays.
Here is a list of the entire cast as best I can remember:
Tex Ritter, Jimmy Pruett [piano],Merle Travis , Fiddlin' Kate, Buddy Dooley [bass],
Marilyn and Wesley Tuttle,Ray Klein [accordion], Joe Maphis and Rose Lee,
Collins Kids, Johnny Bond, Freddie Hart, Skeets McDonald,Pee Wee Adams [drums] Betsy Gay [vocalist], Bobby Charles [great vocals] Mary Lou Nell [vocals]
Mary Jane Johnson [vocals], Jay Stewart [MC], Tex Carmen, "Carrot Top Anderson", Billy Hill [violin and arranger] Texas Tiny[comedy, Quincy Snodgrass [comedy]
Those were the regulars. In the pictures you sent me I recognized The Maddox Brothers and Rose as guests. I'm not certain of the others but if I get a flash I will let you know. [This message was edited by Andy Volk on 10 November 2004 at 12:11 PM.]
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Ron Whitfield
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posted 10 November 2004 04:25 PM
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HOOO DOGGIES!Andy, you just made my frustrating lunchtime good again with those words from Marian, a future HOFer for sure. Please let us know how to help with that effort. I hope and assume you've conveyed the fact to her that she is still very much appreciated. I'd dig hearing her take on Jimmy Pruett, one of the most unsung monster performers of the day. Get the THP show with him ripping up the keys to 'Dinah', whew! Fans of Tex Carman will enjoy this clip too. Sierra Creek Park, Thousand Oaks, same area? The classic cast photo Marian provided can be had on Ebay quite often. |
CrowBear Schmitt
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posted 11 November 2004 02:38 AM
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Thanx Andy & Ron
where could i find some of Marian's Steelin' on record or cd ?[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 11 November 2004 at 02:39 AM.] |
Jussi Huhtakangas
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posted 11 November 2004 05:28 AM
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Crowbear, the easiest one to get is probably the Bear Family Joe Maphis cd ( Fire On The Strings I believe is the title ) It includes the original Columbia LP and she's featured on most of the tracks. Correction: the cd is Flying Fingers, 24 tracks and Marian is on half of them. [This message was edited by Jussi Huhtakangas on 11 November 2004 at 09:46 AM.] |
Dan Sawyer
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posted 11 November 2004 12:38 PM
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Andy, there is a Malibu Creek Park in Canoga Park, close to Calabases. Maybe that's the one Marian is remembering? I couldn't find a Sierra Creek Park listed anywhere in Thousand Oaks or anywhere else in California. |
CrowBear Schmitt
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posted 11 November 2004 01:07 PM
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Thanx Jussi |
Andy Volk
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posted 11 November 2004 01:11 PM
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Beats me, I'm from Massachusetts. Maybe they changed the name in 49 years since those still were shot. |
Bryan Bradfield
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posted 11 November 2004 02:17 PM
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There was a comprehensive article on Marian Hall, First Lady of Steel Guitar, in the September 2004 edition of Vintage Guitar Magazine. Included were about 8 photos, some of which showed her Bigsby steels. |
Perry Hansen
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posted 11 November 2004 05:27 PM
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Ron, Jimmy Pruit definately was a monster performer. Besides the piano, he played a mean lead guitar. |
Jussi Huhtakangas
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posted 11 November 2004 10:20 PM
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And the fact that Jimmy Pruett was blind nothing but adds my admiration![This message was edited by Jussi Huhtakangas on 11 November 2004 at 10:22 PM.] |
Ron Whitfield
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posted 13 November 2004 12:19 PM
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I saw a nice 2 page shot of his big ol' Gibson with the personalized pick gaurd in a book on vintage guitars recently at Borders(bargain books section). He should have his own DVD from the THP shows already, I mean if Tex Carman has one, Jimmy Pruett otta have a dozen. Does anybody here know his life story?As for unsung greats, there are few that match the Maddox Brothers and Rose's. To actually live the Steinbeck novel 'Grapes of Wrath', survive with the family intact, AND THEN conjure up one of the most influencial musical forces ever(subliminally to most), only to pack it in by '55 and be forgotten when so many others were just getting started is pretty amazing. But these pix show they had the goods all the way to the end. Fred! That they are still denied entry to the Country Music HoF is nuts. |
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