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Jim Heffernan Member From: Nashville, Tn
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posted 15 November 2004 03:53 PM
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Does anyone out there know if there ever was a "ShotJackson" model Shobro? I've come across a 7 string guitar with Shot's name on the neck and his initials on the headstock. My first thought is that it's a model that Shobro offered rather than one of Shot's guitars Thanks Jim Heffernan |
Gerald Ross Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 15 November 2004 04:45 PM
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Elderly has one now. I was there on Saturday and saw it. I ran my fingers over the strings and it sounded pleasant. Nothing earth shattering. But not bad. Didn't have the Shot Jackson tatoos on it. http://www.elderly.com/vintage/items/50U-1503.htm ------------------ Gerald Ross 'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar' Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
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Gary Boyett Member From: Colorado
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posted 15 November 2004 05:42 PM
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The one I played a while back in Denver was terrible. The dealer wanted $1500 for it and I told him I can buy firewood cheaper and it would probably sound better.
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Ric Nelson Member From: Silver Spring, Maryland
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posted 15 November 2004 05:54 PM
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It hard to tell just what you have. From time to time Shot would make 7-strings for himself but ended up selling them first. A person in Canada once contacted me to sell a black one with Shot's initals that he thought (and said) was Shot's personal guitar and as a result wanted a fist full of money for it. I passed, since I can account for the ones that he built and played and that wasn't one. Ric
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Ric Nelson Member From: Silver Spring, Maryland
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posted 15 November 2004 06:32 PM
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BTW; The Sho-Bro 7-string at Elderly has a s/n of 3-8267. That was a very early Gretsch built, when they started in 1968. I would put its worth much less than the $1,100 they are asking but I'm sure someone else won't and will buy it for what they are asking.The Sho-Bros made after Gretsch stopped in Aug, 1973 were made by Sho-Bud and I think have better craftmanship and mellower sound. Those go for around $1,000, w/case. |
Jim Heffernan Member From: Nashville, Tn
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posted 16 November 2004 08:34 AM
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Thanks everyone, I'll try to post some pix so everyone can eyeball this critter Jimmy |
David Doggett Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 16 November 2004 09:59 AM
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The bi-annual Great American Guitar Show (which is near here this weekend) frequently has square-neck or round-neck ShoBud resonators. I am always dissappointed in their sound - far from modern standards. I don't think ShoBud was ever respected much as an acoustic instrument maker. It would be interesting to see if a modern maker like Beard could upgrade one of these with a better cone and well and get good sound. They look neat for country and blues picking, with the white fret boards and card suits, but bluegrass purists would laugh at them. Without the "proper" looks or sound, it's hard to see paying top dollar for one, accept for the sentimental value. |
Jim Heffernan Member From: Nashville, Tn
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posted 16 November 2004 10:09 AM
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David and guys, I am aware of their sound. In fact that's the very thing that makes them cool. They, in the modern world would never be a primary all round guitar but if you listen to Shot's 7 string tuning and his tone on records, it's a way cool thing. |
Ric Nelson Member From: Silver Spring, Maryland
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posted 17 November 2004 07:13 PM
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It was its sound, different than that of the Dobro, that made Sho-Bro sales poor and is one reason why Gretsch wanted out of the deal. But Shot wanted out also since he didn't like the assembly line method that they use to make them. After August, 1973,the Sho-Bros were made at Sho-Bud by Shot et. al. The majority of the Dobro sales were and still are for that matter, to the Bluegrass crowd since they wanted a brighter sounding instrument, I suspect because they set their standard on Josh Graves and his G#-tuning sound. Some tend to try to make the dobro sound like a banjo, which I don't think does the dobro justice. Shot played a 6 sting Dobro when with Johnnie and Jack and kept expermenting until he found the sound that he wanted. The key was in the arched back and larger body, with a Dobro cone and of course, the E tunning. After 1962, on the Melba, Melba & George, Roy Clark, Louvin Brothers, Carl Butler and Shot's own sessions you hear that sound. He's even on a Johnny Cash track. His dobro style has its roots from when he played a 7-string Rickenbacher when with the Bales Brothers. Paul Beard will make you a 7-string since he has necks for his "Mike Auldridge" 8-strings. He now spins his own cones and what a sweet sound they have. At his booth in St. Louis this year they had a 7-string that was tuned to D-6th (I think). I couldn't really compare the sound of it that well to my E tunned Sho-Bud 7-sting due to their tuning but it didn't sound bad at all. Ric |
Jim Heffernan Member From: Nashville, Tn
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posted 18 November 2004 05:05 AM
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Ric, Do you have any idea what tuning Shot used. I believe it was E7th, but how did he stack the notes up? Jim |
PAUL WARNIK Member From: OAK LAWN,IL,USA
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posted 18 November 2004 02:17 PM
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Jim H-Sounds like you have run across a "Shot Jackson Custom" model Sho-Bro They were to my knowledge "the top of line" model of the Sho-Bro line and were likely a limited production-usually seven stringers-the one at Elderly is the standard model-I myself never like the tone of these  [This message was edited by PAUL WARNIK on 18 November 2004 at 02:31 PM.] |
Ric Nelson Member From: Silver Spring, Maryland
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posted 19 November 2004 04:00 AM
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On a dobro, Shot used a straight E tuning (hi to low) On a 7-string: E,B,G#,E,B,G#,E On a 6-string: E,B,G#,E,B,E This tuning, using slants on strings 1 and 3, will give you his sound. Up on the neck he tended to play strings 2 and 3, together with a swipe at 1 and 2, together, thrown in. If playing in the key of E, he'd use several long single string runs and single string slides into the note. A good example (1962) is on George Jones, Melba track “I’d Jump the Mississippi” where he does a real neat and extended lick, or as he put it: “That runs so long you almost had to unplug it to stop.” His favorite keys for instrumentals were A,C, D and E (not necessarily in that order) unless another key was dictated by another instrument (steel, fiddle or guitar) on the song. Of course on vocals, the singer called the key. He never used a kapo since he felt, as do I, that it robs the guitar of its mellowness and limts any slide ups to the root cord. His favorite was “All Smiles Tonight” (D), the best version using his pedal-bro (1962) on Starday, which will be re-released soon and the one he grew tired of from over playing it was “Ft. Worth Drag” (E), really called “Beer Hall Frolic”. He wanted to take the dobro into another dimension, away from being associated strictly with G-tuning and Bluegrass, which it had been by the 1960s and I think he did, indeed. His term: “I don’t want it to sound too Bluegrassy.” (Mike Auldridge has been able to do that as well, with is 8-string tracks and playing from time-to-time with a C6th tuning) But Shot fit in well with a bluegrass band. If you get a chance, listen to him on the session with the Osborne Brothers 10/17/1957: SHE’S NO ANGEL (IS THIS) MY DESTINY ONCE MORE TWO LONELY HEARTS or Roy Clark’s LP “Roy Clark and Friends” (1974) or on a pile of the Louvin Brothers tracks (1962-3) or the George Jones-Melba Montgomery bluegrass offerings (1962-3) I sure do miss him, but then, don’t we all? Ric
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Jim Heffernan Member From: Nashville, Tn
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posted 19 November 2004 06:54 AM
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Thanks Ric, I'm familiar with all of the cuts you mentioned. Where did you get the quotes and inside info on what he liked and didn't like. I met him one afternoon at Shobud in Nashville and played dobro for him. He listened a while and gave me an album of his. |
Mark van Allen Member From: loganville, Ga. USA
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posted 19 November 2004 09:29 AM
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Hey, Jim, how's it going? I had a Sho-Bro some years ago, very solid guitar although a bit wooly sounding. I sure wish I had it back, just for the pickup- I had Pat Murphy and Tim shaw build me a custom pickup for it, (they designed the Sunrise) and although a magnetic unit, it had the best authentic tone. I'd love to try it on one of my guitars now.------------------ Stop by the Steel Store at: www.markvanallen.com
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Ric Nelson Member From: Silver Spring, Maryland
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posted 20 November 2004 03:57 AM
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Shot and I met in 1957 and stayed friends. |
Roy Thomson Member From: Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada
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posted 20 November 2004 06:03 AM
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I borrowed a Sho-Bro from a friend for a few months some years ago. It was a six string, white fret board with the guitar body.Does anyone know where Shot got the cones made? I read somewhere where they were 10" as opposed to the 10 5/16" Quarterman and the 10 1/2" Dobro? Trying to fit a present day cone into a Sho-Bro may present a problem but it would be interesting to hear one with a Quarterman cone. |
Bob Blair Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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posted 20 November 2004 08:55 PM
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I've got a roundneck with the strings raised (requires a bit of a jog to align with the zero fret, but my repair guy did a great job on it), and it has a decent mellow sound. I use a C6th tuning on it. It has a shallow body, and doesn't have a great low end, but it sounds great tuned the way it is. Not a bluegrassy sound at all, but a good sound..... |
Ric Nelson Member From: Silver Spring, Maryland
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posted 22 November 2004 03:33 AM
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Roy:The ShoBros made at ShoBud by Shot (after 1973) and his staff had Dobro cones. Some years ago when the Quarterman cones came out, I had one put in a Gretsch-built ShoBro and it resulted in the loss of its mellowness. It now has more bass but gives a tinner "plunking" sound on the high end, which I don't care for. I wish that I hadn't done it but now I understand that the cones that Paul Beard is spinning have an over-sized flange and can be fitted into the larger hole that had to be made for the Quarterman. Paul's cones sound very near to the original Dobro spun cones. So if you can't get an original Dobro cone, try Paul. If you don't know it, Paul (a great guy with a quality product) is super busy and there is a wait, which is great for Paul but bad for us. Ric |
Roy Thomson Member From: Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada
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posted 22 November 2004 04:37 AM
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Thanks Ric! That provides my answer(s). I have bought 3 Quarterman (10 15/16) cones from Paul over the past several years and have been very satisfied with the results. They offer a very full, rich sound to the instruments I put them in. (No Sho-Bro).Roy[This message was edited by Roy Thomson on 22 November 2004 at 04:38 AM.] |
Jim Heffernan Member From: Nashville, Tn
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posted 22 November 2004 09:12 AM
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Ric, can I send you some pictures to look at? I tried your profile email but it got returned. Do you have a new address? Jim |
Jim Heffernan Member From: Nashville, Tn
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posted 22 November 2004 09:20 AM
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Hey Mark, Funny meeting you in a place like this!!! I'm doing well, a lot of workshops, which are goin well. What's up on your street? Jimmy[This message was edited by Jim Heffernan on 22 November 2004 at 09:51 AM.] |
Ric Nelson Member From: Silver Spring, Maryland
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posted 22 November 2004 09:37 AM
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Tryrnnelson1@msn.com. The other is a good address but there is a heavy filter on it. |
John Bechtel Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 30 November 2004 11:51 PM
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When I worked a month of boat-shows with Bobby Bare in ’76, I borrowed a 7-string from Shot and had it tuned to C-Diatonic. E–F–G–A–B–C–E. It worked out fine for me! I guess I should have bought it!------------------ “Big John” Bechtel ’49/’50 Fender T–8 Custom [X2] ’65 Re-issue Fender Twin-Reverb Custom™ 15” click here click here |