7312049831 is in LA Calif
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7312049831

the Fo'Bro' that unravels this mystery or scam wins 2 sets of Smileys Black Diamond string sets or a stuffed possum from Farris

[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 02 April 2005 at 09:17 AM.]

NOTE: the seller's feedback has 5 positive transactions. All of them were accumulated in two days. All were transactions of $.12. Twelve cents. At least one of the feedback posters is a one week long ebay user who is no longer registered.
I repeat--if you can't do this minimal research, you don't deserve sympathy if you cry later that you were scammed on ebay.

I recently bought a guitar that had beautiful photos depicting it as a collector grade guitar. The seller had hundreds of positive feedbacks. When the guitar arrived it had flaws that made it non collector grade... and in fact non player grade. None of these flaws were described and all of them would have been easy to photograph. If I had been able to pick that guitar up for 30 seconds, I would never have bought it.... unless, of course, I gave only 20 or 30 dollars for it as a project. By the way the seller won't refund my money or return my email... I have registered a complaint at Paypal and am awaiting their decision.

[This message was edited by mike nolan on 02 April 2005 at 03:06 PM.]

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Ebay is an amazing global trading forum but unfortunately it shows us the best and the worst of free marketplaces--the worst being greed, both in the scam-scum and in the fat cat owners who would rather maximize profits than reinvest in easy improvements to protect the goose that is plopping out their golden eggs.

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I have found that to be quite accurately what ebay's / pay pal's "deceptive gig" is ...although a bit more deliberatly nefarious than stated. I also SUSPECT the money being generated for them by a Seller plays big in their willingness to do anything more than reply to complaints with nonsensical stonewalling "support" propaganda; Which is quite similar to not-uncommon public opinion. I've purchased from about 125 auctions on ebay, and been most honorable, thorough and punctual. In 3 very bad ebay transactions I have experienced, ebay's responses (when/if any) were with mazes of nonsensical / erroneous / irrelevant policy links and boiler plate "hear - see - speak no evil" propaganda amounting to (sic) "Although we're acting very sorry and nonsensically incompetent, ... you might as well go try Dial a Prayer".

Any number of bad Sellers know very well that contrary to ebay's / pay pal's propaganda about "care" and "support", ebay's policy actually says ebay cannot force a Seller to abide by his/her auction. Of course it fails to mention that ebay harbors and defends them all too often.

Also see the SGF discussions about Guitar Center's 'Instrument Exchange' and it's nefarious ebay accounts auctions ...which I also personally reported to ebay to no avail.

Ever try to find a means to communicate with ebay / pay pal outside the maze of "support" stone walls around their fortress???

SO, ...I recently got fed up with ebay and pay pal for their seemingly nonsensical / incompetent facade of emails responding to my complaint and pay pal claim in a blatantly obvious very bad transaction with a real scumbag Seller, ....a high volume $$$$$$ ebay Seller ...that ebay has even decorated (certificate) for excellence even though retaliatory feedback he leaves for others speaks rather clearly of his poor personal and business character! As soon as I started complaining about this auction and seller, ebay started harrassing me to no end, ....which by my nature & "policy" motivated me to respond in kind ten-fold, which escalated to the point that I built 'My Bad Mail-Order Experiences' website ...an ongoing expose' of nefarious practices of ebay / pay pal (no other bad experience sources to report!) ...and scam artists and bad business that ebay / pay pal harbors. The entry page is now linked from my ebay "About Me" page. Now my ebay Feedback about bad transactions can refer to that "About Me" page / link and thus to the fullest details of bad transaction experiences not afforded in ebay's Feedback provision; ....As well as a place where other Folks can report bad (or good) ebay's experiences if they might desire to; (Although ebay is trying their darnedest to shut me up and might very well cancel my ebay account).

(NOTE: IMHO: An ebay "About Me" page cannot link to a webpage that lists any ebay member's contact information; And although ebay published policy exempts User Names from that privacy, ebay obviously wishes it didn't and has harrassed me to no end before I simply made a cover / reroute page to end the dispute. HOWEVER, in ebay's response to my complaint about psychotic filth the Seller emailed me, ebay stated in writing that (sic) they have no "jurisdiction" / control over what is provided outside their computer systems ...such as in emails sent through other servers. And sure enough, most scumbags can't resist sending ugly replies from their email server.)

There is a Guestbook on the website where anyone can report their own ebay experiences; A handy tool to report the details of dealings with ebay, ...and with bad Sellers where ebay's Feedback provisions and rules are deliberately inadequate (maybe for the better in reasonable Peace, considering the extremes I have now taken in irate amazement at ebay's practices).

Aloha,
Denny T~

[This message was edited by Denny Turner on 04 April 2005 at 07:10 PM.]

I reported the crap to Ebay. I'm tired of all the bullcrap going on on Ebay. It's crap like this that makes it hard to buy anything good on ebay.

The only other thing that I've seen as crappy as this is those Guitar Center creeps who post steels with crazy prices in hopes of ripping someone off. People should boycott the guitar center for screwing up the market on steel guitars. CREEPS!!!!!!!!!!!

Casey

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kjdfgdf8545 has 17 mirrored eBay auctions up right now. Some even have bids on them.
They have very low starting bids like 99 cents, but the shipping is anywhere for $25 to $650.

So who ever win the auction thinks they are geting a deal with a cheep bid. Then the seller tells them that because he's/she's in China they need your credit card instead of paypal or moneyorder.
The people not smart enough to bid on a scam will give up thier credit card number.

edit to add that most of the scammers shipping cost seem to be the opening bid prices of the real auctions.

[This message was edited by Alvin Blaine on 04 April 2005 at 03:13 AM.]

My purpose in writing this is to let you know that you can Dispute the charge with your Credit Card company (Although a complaint to PayPal might help, PayPal's "customer" is the Seller in this case, not you! So, dispute the charge with your Credit Card company quickly. There are short time limits on this type of dispute! Most are quite responsive to these types of problems and have the force you need to "right" these types of wrongs.

[This message was edited by Craig Hawks on 04 April 2005 at 03:03 AM.]

I sent email to 13 of the real auctions they were trying to scam, and sent 13 fruad reports to ebay.

How many Fo'Bro's ever had a bad deal with ebay and how many got a refund from Pay Pal over a bad deal?

Anyway, PayPal got me aq total refund, including shipping charges, in both cases. I really don't know what more you could expect them to do. So, count me in the "happy" Ebay/PayPal customer group.

Aloha,
DT~

[This message was edited by Denny Turner on 10 April 2005 at 03:10 AM.]

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What's all the hubbub? It ain't rocket science to enter "ebay scam" into this forum's search engine to understand the humbbub doesn't have anything to do with the good people in good transactions; Although very nice to hear some folks are still blem free.

125 good and 3 bad transactions ... to the tune of about $35K with only a $75 loss ... ain't too shabby in the homework and brains you suggest; But recapping what has been said all over this forum: The humbbub revolves around ebay / pay pal's canned / stonewalling / nefarious business practices and harboring scam artists; ... not the good people involved in good transactions. ~~~~~~~ Ebay did NOTHING for me but hose me with incomprehensible (unintelligible), erroneous, stonewalling, feigning-incompetence in all 3 bad transactions (while effectively harboring the rats), ... wasting my time as if I was a gullible sheeple with a 6th grade education; The first 2 of which I solved by filing FBI complaints which got the hot dogs off their buns (as it probably will in the third rhodent's case too); While 3 times in my book calls for some action rather than supposing how cleverly successful and happy I was in 125 cases.

ALOHA,
DT~

[This message was edited by Denny Turner on 11 April 2005 at 04:20 AM.]

Will the FBI investigate claims for the dollar amounts in question? I wish this country had thoses resources.

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Will the FBI investigate claims for the dollar amounts in question? I wish this country had thoses resources.

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The FBI / IFCC is the Internet Fraud Complaint Center, a hub for internet business fraud that the FBI takes very seriously. The program is a collaborative effort with local law enforcement, mainly the state & county District Attorneys in each district. The FBI takes the complaints through their websites and forwards them to the D.A. with jurisdiction. Most D.A. offices have an internet business fraud department or detectives under the task force program. The D.A. / dept / detectives are then SUPPOSED to investigate each and every case sent to them by the FBI / IFCC regardless of the amount of money involved ...because small $$$ transactions make up a large agrigate $$$ of internet commerce which the Feds $$$ value. BUT, it stands to reason that a local D.A. can only handle the amount of cases that his/her resources will support; And that evermore involves $$$ and resources priority in the growing sordid state of amairka (as geeduhb has renamed / recreated us). SO, it is important for a complaintant to also locate that D.A., and call them, introduce him/herself along with the FBI / IFCC case number for them to expect soon from the FBI. You then have someone directly responsible / accountable that you can communicate with and put their feet to the fire should you need to (kindly / creatively reminding them that investigating and resolving and/or prosecuting each case is their mandate via the internet fraud task force). The 3 D.A.'s I've contacted were all very nice and professional people. Every American (and amairkan) has a right to equal protection and access to the law; Although it often takes some gear noise to get yer fair share of the grease.

Aloha,
DT~

[This message was edited by Denny Turner on 13 April 2005 at 08:40 PM.]

phred

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