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Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 03 April 2005 06:43 PM     profile     edit
Some of you might remember my post a while back where I mentioned my first steel was an Oahu Diana lapsteel, loaned to me by my uncle, when I was about 11 or 12. I returned it to him a few years later when I got my first pedal steel, an early Fender 1000.

Around last Christmas, in an email with my cousin, I found that they still had that same Oahu Diana, and although my cousin had first claim to it, he and my uncle generously sent it to me to keep.

Until then, I hadn't played lapsteel or any steel without pedals in over 30 years, but yesterday and today I recorded this little old-fashioned-style instrumental on the Oahu Diana in honor of my favorite uncle and cousin, who inspired and helped me to be a musician more than anyone else. I need to put a little more time into mixing it, but wanted to share it with the FoBros anyway.

The drums and bass was done on my midi keyboard and the steel, rhythm guitar and lead guitar were all recorded direct, no volume pedal. I tuned the steel to B7 for the intro, then C6 for the rest.

http://jimphelps.com/sounds/panhandleragroughmix.wma

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 03 April 2005 at 06:55 PM.]

Andy Sandoval
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From: Bakersfield, California, USA

posted 03 April 2005 07:39 PM     profile   send email     edit
That's some sweet swingin sounds there Jim. I like it.

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Andy Sandoval
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From: Bakersfield, California, USA

posted 03 April 2005 07:46 PM     profile   send email     edit
You wouldn't happen to have that tabbed out would you?

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Stephan Miller
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From: Silver Spring, Maryland, USA

posted 03 April 2005 07:55 PM     profile   send email     edit
Andy, I was thinking the same thing. Jim, that was a cool arrangement and performance, hope you send us more sometime! -Steve
Bill Leff
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From: Santa Cruz, CA, USA

posted 04 April 2005 06:43 AM     profile   send email     edit
Those are some tasty jazz guitar licks you got going in there too (on the standard guitar)!
Joel Newman
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From: Myersville, Maryland, USA

posted 04 April 2005 08:03 AM     profile   send email     edit
Yeah!! Bravo, I really liked that!! Forgive my ignorance, but is that tune a sort of "standard" for lap steel? In any caseI vote for more tunes from Jim . . .
Jody Carver
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From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed. Dodger Blue Forever

posted 04 April 2005 08:15 AM     profile     edit
Jim
Very well executed,fine playing, thanks for sharing.

Jody

Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 04 April 2005 12:53 PM     profile     edit
Thanks very much for your kind comments, guys. No, I don't have any tab for any of it, just did it on the fly. Yes, Panhandle Rag is an old steel standard written by Leon McAuliffe and recorded in 1949. I'm not sure but I think it's more common on 8-string steels with legs than lapsteels, but I don't have an 8-string at the moment...my cousin and uncle are going to ship me two of the double-8s that my uncle built soon, though. Can't wait. They built some fine guitars and pickups.

Thanks again for the nice remarks, I'm inspired now... gonna do more!

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 04 April 2005 at 09:50 PM.]

Steinar Gregertsen
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From: Arendal, Norway

posted 04 April 2005 01:39 PM     profile     edit
I enjoyed this a lot,- thanks Jim!

Steinar

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Jeff Strouse
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From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA

posted 04 April 2005 01:41 PM     profile   send email     edit
Very nice, Jim!
Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 04 April 2005 06:35 PM     profile     edit
Thanks again guys. By the way, some of you who know this song really well (I'll bet Jody caught it) probably noticed that I played the part of the beginning of the verse where it changes to the 4 chord just a little differently than the original. My memory isn't what it used to be....caught it later.... anyway I'm replaying that part to be more faithful to the original.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 04 April 2005 at 06:36 PM.]

Jim Bates
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From: Alvin, Texas, USA

posted 04 April 2005 07:21 PM     profile   send email     edit
This tune is also a 'natural' on a six string dobro in the key of G. (DBGDBG h-l)
Thanx,
Jim
Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 04 April 2005 07:34 PM     profile     edit
Thanks Jim, I'll have to try that tuning sometime. Wish I still had my early '30's Dobro... oh well.

I redid the above-mentioned lick closer to the original now.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 04 April 2005 at 07:36 PM.]

Bobby Lee
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From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 04 April 2005 08:20 PM     profile   send email     edit
Real nice pickin', Jim. Hard to believe it's just a little 6 string lap steel. Great tone!

I play that song too but very wrongly. People around here don't know the difference and I don't have the will to change the way I play it. It's nice to hear it done right.

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Rick Alexander
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From: Florida, USA

posted 04 April 2005 10:41 PM     profile   send email     edit
Real fine playing, Jim!
Very enjoyable . .

[This message was edited by Rick Alexander on 04 April 2005 at 10:42 PM.]

Denny Turner
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From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA

posted 05 April 2005 03:50 AM     profile   send email     edit
Yessiree ...mighty fine. Takes me back to San Antone in the early '60's; Warms my toes 'an stretches what's left of my teeth. ear to ear.

Aloha,
DT~

Jamie Danter
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From: Kannapolis, North Carolina, USA

posted 05 April 2005 07:09 AM     profile   send email     edit
Great take on that classic.

BTW, What was the 'standard' guitar you used for the jazz?

jamie

Joel Newman
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From: Myersville, Maryland, USA

posted 05 April 2005 08:57 AM     profile   send email     edit
Oh Great!! go ahead change the melody . . .now I have to relearn it . . .(ruk-ruk!)I guess it'll be my 'study in panhandle rag'.Tanx again Jim!!
Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 05 April 2005 12:10 PM     profile     edit
I sure appreciate your kind comments! I've been planning to record a CD for years and not gotten much done on it but I'm getting inspired now to get going with it!

Sorry Joel, hey at least you found out before recording it, unlike me, ha!

Jamie, the standard guitar is a Washburn J9, nothing real special except it's a rare version in Gretsch orange and I bought it from Will Ray. I saw your guitars on your photo page and I'm jealous! I sold all my expensive stuff in the last few years before coming here. The J9 does OK though, good git for the bucks. Saw you're a ham too, K7JAZ here.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 05 April 2005 at 12:27 PM.]

Andy Sandoval
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From: Bakersfield, California, USA

posted 05 April 2005 01:54 PM     profile   send email     edit
Man, the more I listen to that tune the more I like it. Anybody out there got the tab?

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Joel Newman
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From: Myersville, Maryland, USA

posted 06 April 2005 02:58 PM     profile   send email     edit
Hey Jim,
Intro aside,is this the difference between the two versions? I believe it's in bar 2 that you make your melody change . . .

Ist take;


E--------------------------------------------------
C--------------------------------------------------
A--------------------9--10--9---------------------
G---------------9-----------------9-------9-------
E--------8--9------------------------9---------7--
C---------------------------------------------------

then the changed version???


E----------------------------------------------------
C-----------------------------------------------------
A---------------------9—10--9--------------------
G------------------9--------------9--------------4--
E--------------9---------------------9---3—4-----
C-------8—9---------------------------------------

I'm not a big fan of tab as it doesn't show the rhythm . . .but what choice do I have. anyhoo lemme know if I'm even close . . .Tanx,
Joel
Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 07 April 2005 12:32 AM     profile     edit
Hey Joel, sorry to take so long to get back to you on this, been in Mexico City all day. You think traffic up there is bad.... you wouldn't believe it.

That's some good tabbing and a good ear you've got. I'm not much for tab either, that's the only reason I haven't sat down and tabbed it out for you and Andy, I've never used tab so all I know about it is the lines are the strings, the number=fret.

You got the 1st version exact.

The second "fixed" version is almost exact too, with the only difference being so small it doesn't really matter.

Your tab on the changed version is exact up to here:


E----------------------------------------------------
C-----------------------------------------------------
A---------------------9—10--9--------------------
G------------------9--------------9----------------
E--------------9----------------------------------
C-------8—9---------------------------------------


After that, I dropped down to the 4th fret for the last 4 notes:

E--------------------------------------------
C--------------------------------------------
A-------4---------------—--------------------
G-----------4-------4------------------------
E--------------4------------------------—----
C--------------------------------------------

I think either way is just fine, only depends on which place in the lick you're more comfortable making the shift to the 4th fret.

I did it this way because I wanted those last 4 notes to be smooth with no "glitch" while I shifted positions.

I would think either way is fine, whichever way you like best.

I'm pretty out of practice now and at first I had a hard time making the shift smoothly, and I'm amazed at how much easier the shift in that lick is now that I've just played it a few times. I can do it better and smoother now than I did when I was recording it. Hey, whaddyuh know, practice works...!

Let me know if I can be of any help with anything, looks like you're doing great.

This little song really grows on a person...at least it has with my wife and me. We go around humming it.... it gets in your mind and you can't get rid of it. No wonder Leon had a hit with it in '49.

Thanks again for all your nice comments, all.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 07 April 2005 at 01:13 AM.]

Bob Watson
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From: Champaign, Illinois, U.S.

posted 07 April 2005 12:41 AM     profile   send email     edit
Jim, both the steel and the guitar parts sound great! Nice jazz phrasing on the guitar. I would love to hear more. Keep 'em coming.
Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 07 April 2005 12:43 AM     profile     edit
Thanks Bob!
Joel Newman
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From: Myersville, Maryland, USA

posted 07 April 2005 07:32 AM     profile   send email     edit
Ok, wow nice to know I'm in the ball park . . .now for the lick in 3rds.(I think);


E-----------9--12----11---11—10—9—11—9---3--4
C----11-----9--11----11---11—10—9—11-9---3--4
A----11-------------------------------
G---------------------------------------
E----------------------------------------
C-------------------------------------

Of course whenever you get a chance to correct me, . . . ('know there has to be a slant in there somewhere, I just don't know where, ruk-ruk!). I truly appreciated you taking the time to 'learn' me this tune. I definatly gotta go out and get some Leon Mcauliffe(uhhh, spelling?),music.
Hey I used to live in Mexico as a kid, You know that little town near Cuernavaca, . . Tepotzlan? Would love to see that place again . . .Thanks again Jim!!

[This message was edited by Joel Newman on 07 April 2005 at 07:35 AM.]

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[This message was edited by Joel Newman on 07 April 2005 at 07:37 AM.]

Dwayne Martineau
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From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

posted 07 April 2005 11:26 AM     profile   send email     edit
Thanks for posting those tabs.

Leon is one of the best.

You should be able to find "The Essential Bob Wills & His Texas Playboys" on Columbia Country Classics almost anywhere... (on Amazon)

That's got some great steel, and the original recordings of most of those songs.

Check out his solo on "Home in San Antone" ...H.O.T.

They've also got some solo stuff under "Leon McAuliffe & His Cimarron Boys."

[This message was edited by Dwayne Martineau on 07 April 2005 at 11:26 AM.]

John P.Phillips
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From: Brunswick, Ga. U.S.A.

posted 07 April 2005 11:30 AM     profile   send email     edit
It ain't "Curls" Jim but it's purty good ! I lak it !

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Jim Phelps
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From: Mexico City

posted 07 April 2005 12:17 PM     profile     edit
Thanks John, nope it ain't Curls and unfortunately it ain't ever gonna be, I know that's for sure. Curls was a dear friend and there's never gonna be another like him. Believe it or not, I was thinking of him when I did the "jazzy/swing" verse. I'd pretty much given up on C6 long before I knew him, so I know he would be happy that I'm playing it again even though it's nothing compared to what he could do.

Joel, once again you're almost exact, close enough it doesn't matter but I'll put what I did exactly (if I get it right) anyway just so you can see what I did, and then you can do it whatever way you like.

Darn, it's coming out all messed up, I'll have to do it on my own computer. I'll be back.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 07 April 2005 at 03:50 PM.]

Jim Phelps
Member

From: Mexico City

posted 07 April 2005 12:32 PM     profile     edit
Let's try this again.

E-------------------11--11--10--9--11--
C----11--13--16--11--11--10--9--11--
A----11--12--16---------------------
G-----------------------------------
E-----------------------------------
C-----------------------------------


E-----------------------------------
C----13---11----8-------------------
A----12---11----7-------------------
G-----------------------------------
E-----------------------------------
C-----------------------------------

I did it this way because it sounds to me like that's what Leon and Buddy both did (but I could be wrong about that.)

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 07 April 2005 at 12:43 PM.]

Joel Newman
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From: Myersville, Maryland, USA

posted 08 April 2005 06:27 AM     profile   send email     edit
ahhhhhh! Yes, Your way makes much more sense . .(plus it'll help me get my f. slants together . .). Now I gotta work on that bridge section, that open string thing is killing me (I think my bar is too heavy,'gonna get a smaller one). Thanks again Jim!I Can't wait for your next C6 lap tune . . .
Jim Phelps
Member

From: Mexico City

posted 08 April 2005 10:15 AM     profile     edit
"plus it'll help me get my f. slants together"

That's no way to talk about slants!

If I can help just lemme know.

Joel Newman
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From: Myersville, Maryland, USA

posted 08 April 2005 11:06 AM     profile   send email     edit
Uhhhh, well that too but I did mean 'forward' slants . . .LOL!!!
Paul Arntson
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From: Bothell ,WA (just outside Seattle)

posted 09 April 2005 12:32 PM     profile   send email     edit
Jim-
That's wonderful.
Any time you've got a CD ready I'd be interested.
Roy Thomson
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From: Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada

posted 09 April 2005 05:39 PM     profile     edit
Jim's a swinger!
We need to hear more.
How did you tune for the intro Jim?
Roy
Al Marcus
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From: Cedar Springs,MI USA

posted 09 April 2005 08:09 PM     profile   send email     edit
Jim-It sounds very good to me.Thanks for the Memories.......al

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CrowBear Schmitt
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From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

posted 10 April 2005 01:37 AM     profile   send email     edit
Hi Jim
what a wonderfull version of that tune
not only is your playin' good but the sound quality of that recording is jes what i like
HowardR
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From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 10 April 2005 06:41 AM     profile   send email     edit
Smooth, tasteful, and real nice tone. What a pleasure to listen to.
Jim Phelps
Member

From: Mexico City

posted 10 April 2005 04:07 PM     profile     edit
Many thanks to all you guys for your kind comments.

There doesn't seem to be much of a place for me down here in the music scene right now so recording is about all I have now, and I've never liked recording much, my limitations - both in equipment and talent... are too frustrating.... but since it's all I've got I'm getting more into it. I knocked this one out real quick, and I'm inspired now to see what I can do with more time and work (maybe it won't even turn out as good, ha! Gonna try anyway.)

I'm hoping that after I get a CD full of decent stuff, I can spread it around here in Mexico and get the steel some recognition down here. Thanks to you all.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 10 April 2005 at 06:17 PM.]

Bob Hickish
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From: Port Ludlow, Washington, USA

posted 10 April 2005 06:03 PM     profile     edit
Thats one of my all-time favorite tunes Jim !
and you did it real justice , I'm like b0b
I have played it wrong for so long I could
never get it right now , But I can enjoy
hearing you do it .
Go for it ! were all fans now !
Bob
Jim Phelps
Member

From: Mexico City

posted 12 April 2005 10:20 AM     profile     edit
Thanks Bob! These kind comments really mean a lot to me, I'm excited about doing more. Thanks again everyone.

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