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Paul Honeycutt
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From: Colorado, USA

posted 24 April 2005 09:46 AM     profile   send email     edit
I've been giving thought to moving to Hawaii for a year to study steel guitar in it's natural environment. Am I nuts? What's it like to live in the islands these days? Please share your thoughts, comments and experiences.

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Ricky Davis
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posted 24 April 2005 11:25 AM     profile   send email     edit
Do ya need a Room-mate????>I'll go.

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Rick Alexander
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From: Florida, USA

posted 24 April 2005 04:42 PM     profile   send email     edit
Paul, you're not nuts. I can't think of a better way to spend a year!
or 3 or 4 . .

And with Ricky Davis for a room-mate, you'd definitely be on the fast track.

If you go, say hi to Denny Turner and Jeff Au Hoy for me . .

Paul Honeycutt
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From: Colorado, USA

posted 25 April 2005 10:15 PM     profile   send email     edit
Things got even crazier today. My brother-in-law is trying to get into a Masters program for architechture. He was rejected by CU Denver. There is a school that has a program like it, and a Anthropology program his wife is interested in, Univ. of Hawaii. It won't be for another year, but the four of us (including my wife) are thinking that if they get accepted for school, the four of us might get a house and spend a few years on the Islands. It all started with a steel guitar, and now it's turning into a major life change. In the meantime, I think I'll seek out a double 8, get some instruction books and work on technique.

And if Ricky wants to join the steel guitar commune, he's welcome!

Richard Sinkler
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From: Fremont, California

posted 26 April 2005 02:57 AM     profile   send email     edit
If you do get to go, look up my good buddy, Don McClellan. Knowing Don the way I do, he probably knows every steeler on the Islands. He's a great guy and a great picker too.

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Ron Randall
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From: Dallas, Texas, USA

posted 26 April 2005 07:24 AM     profile   send email     edit
I found it hard to find steel guitar being played live on Maui. The hotel concierge's I talked to kept saying slack key guitar is what I must be looking for. "What is steel guitar"?

I did find a 3 piece group with steel, playing by the pool at the Marriott, one night a week. (excellent musicians) but the audience was yawning, swimming, and drinking. Could have had a CD playing.

I was really surprised. I don't know about the other islands.

Ron

Mark Eaton
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From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA

posted 26 April 2005 08:58 AM     profile   send email     edit
You're right-it is not very easy to find steel guitar on some of the islands. I have been to Maui, Kauai, and the big island of Hawaii in recent years and haven't found any-though it's not like I was on an intense mission to find steel guitar on those trips. The one island that I haven't spent any time on except to use the airport is the main island, Oahu, where the University of Hawaii is anyway. It is my understanding that this is where you can still find some steel guitar music. The general gut impression I get on the other islands is that steel guitar is kind of a "touristy" thing, and particularly among most younger locals-considered unhip. Which is a shame since we have determined that it was their ancestors that invented the idea of playing a guitar on the lap with a slide! The fine acoustic steel player, Ken Emerson, lives on Kauai, but when I was there last summer he was on tour in Europe-I had hoped to catch him at a "local" gig.

Slack key seems to be considered cool, and the younger folks play it along with the acknowledged experts, like Keola Beamer and Led Kapaana (don't know if I spelled that correctly). People playing really nice koa ukes is pretty popular as well. The most popular music I hear when I have visited the islands is Reggae. Fits right in to the ambiance!

I wrote on one of the dobro forums that I wished I had gone years ago before Jerry Byrd retired from performing to see him play on Oahu-you shouldn't put these things off.

The next time we go to the islands I plan on spending some time on Oahu to find some steel guitar shows.

I wish I had brought a dobro with me on my last trip-I think the vibe of Kauai-the beauty, the laid back attitude, the trade winds, etc. might have brought some sounds out of it that I have never played before!

A buddy of mine who is a pro photographer and life long surfer just bought a photography business on Kauai and moved his family there last month. He played with me in our church band (he's a flute player). I think practicing your flute on a cliff above the ocean would be a pretty cool way to spend an afternoon!

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[This message was edited by Mark Eaton on 26 April 2005 at 09:00 AM.]

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Bill Blacklock
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From: Powell River, British Columbia, Canada

posted 26 April 2005 09:14 AM     profile   send email     edit
I’ve made several extended holidays to the islands and they have all been wonderful. Life on the outer islands is a lot more affordable then the regular tourist destinations. Food is free if you like to throw net, the reefs have two types of lobster and many of the streams have crayfish. I’ll never tell my secret places, you’ll have to find them on your own. I haven’t been in a few years now but I will find my way back to the lagoon and spend my days picking weissenborns on a shady sea shore. If you make it to Hilo on the big island drop by the “Music Exchange” and talk to Collier, he always has some fine steel guitars for sale and is well connected to the goings on. I talked to Jerry Byrd (nice fellow) a couple of times about some lessons and I’m ashamed to say that I never found the time.
Hang Fire / Bill
Don McClellan
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From: Kihei, Maui, Hawaii, U.S.A.

posted 26 April 2005 10:27 AM     profile   send email     edit
Thanks for the compliment Richard. I can only speak for Maui. The hotel gig sceen is interesting. Its probably a little like Nashville. If you asked one player how the work sceen is there you might get a different answer than you would from another guy. For an old, white, pedal steel player who doesn't sing (as opposed to a Hawaiian looking non-pedal player who sings) work can be sparse. But if you're very outgoing and a good Hawaiian-style picker (and you also play guitar and sing) then you can work. But the pay is very low. Also, some (certainly not all) Hawaiian musicians don't like to share the stage with a mainland transplant and you can encounter some stink-eye here and there. I have a day job now and don't really need to gig a lot. I used to gig quite a bit but it has slowed down for me now. I don't really play Hawaiian style steel well enough, frankly. I play a single neck B6th with no E9th attatched to it. I used to play just E9 for many years but I switched a while ago and I'm just not as competent on the B6th yet, I feel. I'm learning though. Living here is fun but very expensive and most musicians have day jobs too. Don

[This message was edited by Don McClellan on 26 April 2005 at 10:32 AM.]

Ron Whitfield
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From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA

posted 26 April 2005 11:26 AM     profile   send email     edit
Paul (I am writing this on a UH Sinclair Library computer), if you come to Hawaii, you'll find what you're looking for (scenic/cultural inspiration) in spades. But most likely not in the hotels/clubs and such, and not much in steel guitar at all. It'll be found somewhere casual, your neighbor's pad/party or the local park/shopping center. If you can play steel and like to hang out/get around, you'll quickly become popular (with most, don't be suprised to encounter jealousy/resentment, from some you'd least expect it) and you'll generate interest. The locals are very eager to have steel included, but few can play, or pay (if it's a real gig).

As far as earning a living playing the steel 'respectfully' in Hawaii,
GOOD LUCK.

You'll have a better chance/time busking. And you probably are good enuf talent wise without even knowing it. Some of the best Hawaiian playing is very easy, if you play it 'right'. Do that. Most of the great old timers used nothing but a little six string.

Musicians get no respect from the establishments (nothing new), and the tourists are generations removed from knowing what real steel guitar is about, so it's an educational excercise just to get them to pay attention. A killer steel player has no problem in getting someone's attention tho, and that's what we need more of around here.

Hawaii is a steel players oyster, suck 'em up!

Jerry Byrd Forever!!

[This message was edited by Ron Whitfield on 26 April 2005 at 12:44 PM.]

Ron Whitfield
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From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA

posted 26 April 2005 12:48 PM     profile   send email     edit
Attention/problem?

To monitor- I inadvertantly hit the 'edit' in Bill's post instead of mine, was able to enter, and possibly could have edited his or any other post.

Gotcha bOb, thanx for setting me straight.

[This message was edited by Ron Whitfield on 26 April 2005 at 07:39 PM.]

b0b
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From: Cloverdale, California, USA

posted 26 April 2005 02:41 PM     profile   send email     edit
You can't edit other people's posts, Ron. You may think you can, but when you hit the "Submit" button you'll get an error message.
Paul Honeycutt
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From: Colorado, USA

posted 26 April 2005 03:17 PM     profile   send email     edit
Thanks for the info guys. First of all, I'm not planning on giving up having a day job, and it's still a year away if we go. But there's just something special about being in the natural environment of the music that you want to learn. It's like the first time I went to a bluegrass festival in Kentucky. I figure if I bring a Weissenborn-type guitar and an electric steel, I can seek out the hidden steel players and try to learn some licks.

Maybe I can do a recon mission next winter and hook up with some of you islanders.

Denny Turner
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From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA

posted 27 April 2005 12:18 AM     profile   send email     edit
Paul,

In addition to what's already been said in this message chain:

The old picture post-card Hawaii exists in sporadic locations, and situationally elsewhere. But situationally is a matter of what anyone makes it be; And I think what you desire could indeed be accomplished living near Waikiki where nice parks and plenty of stimulus exists for your stated purposes.

I would guess that a new-comer could find considerable intrigue and enjoyment being based near Waikiki for a year or so, ...to learn the ropes, shed old skin and learn where else they might prefer settling into; And some personalities might enjoy a longer stay in or near the Wacky-key concrete jungle, ...as it does have a distinct and pleasant metropolitan atmosphere with Hawaiian flavor (thick in a few spots and situations). Out in the country near the shores is where the remnants of the old "real" Hawaii exists IMHO, although not in the concentrated abundance of the things you seem to be desiring that are in a more concentrated abundance living near Wacky-key.

Average wages are low and cost of living is high, although held in check somewhat by the minimal entertainment budget and minimal wardrobe needed in a simple lifestyle for those that like same. The job market is short of a number of highly skilled trades, ...although that usually means the 9-5 trudge that further reduces the Hawaiian experience you seem to be seeking. I have yet to see anyone with reasonably good creative / enterprising minds not be able to make their own way reasonably well here somewhat under their own terms; Although I've seen allot of people leave because nominal creativity wasn't enough to achieve what they desired out of life at that particular time. And of course there are commendable exceptions anywhere in that spectrum.

I would venture to say that you could fill your woodshedding time with casual learning rapports with several Steelers here that would enjoy sharing such Aloha.

Aloha,
DT~

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