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Topic: National Dynamic... info please
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Jon den Boer
Member From: Vancouver, BC, Canada
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posted 06 June 2005 09:56 PM
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I know there are some National Dynamic players out there, and I'm looking for any info you can give me, what type of pickup it came with, what it's best suited for, and what years they were made from/to... I'm looking into buying one, from 1955 I think. Any help greatly appreciated.Jon |
Jon den Boer
Member From: Vancouver, BC, Canada
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posted 06 June 2005 09:58 PM
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Sorry, me again..... what would you pay for one in good shape?Jon |
Andre Nizzari
Member From: Bronx, New York
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posted 06 June 2005 10:18 PM
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I like the national dynamic, I had a 1967 with legs and hardshell case, I paid 375.00 on ebay with the "buy it now" about a year ago. I sounds great and had nice sustain but it was neglected cause I was and still am buzy using my rickys and others instead. I sold it on ebay about 5 months ago for 450.00. It had a thin nasal, but cool, sound.------------------
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Steinar Gregertsen
Member From: Arendal, Norway
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posted 07 June 2005 04:07 AM
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It had a thin nasal, but cool, sound.
That's what my current one had too, until my luthier replaced the tone control. I sent it to him to check if the pickup was broken or de-magged, and he said that the tone control was wired in a very special way that wouldn't allow the full juice of the pickup to come through. According to him, this was quite common for a certain period of time (mine is an early/mid '60s model, the red/white one). When I got it back it was the hottest lap steel I've ever had, and the tone is fat and huge, I think Lindley once described the sound of Dynamics as "concentrated rock'n'roll tone" or something like that. The description definitely fits mine... I've also owned a mid/late '50s model, and it didn't have the pickup issue, so that one was 'hot' out of the box (but not quite as loud as my current one). Steinar ------------------
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Jeff Watson
Member From: Palos Verdes, CA, USA
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posted 07 June 2005 03:07 PM
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Very interesting Steinar. I had a red/white model from that era with that nasally tone which I hated. Sold it, wish I'd known. |
Ron Whitfield
Member From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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posted 08 June 2005 11:18 AM
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Do you know exactly what your tech did to improve the sound, Steinar? |
Steinar Gregertsen
Member From: Arendal, Norway
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posted 08 June 2005 11:47 AM
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As far as I know he simply replaced it with a standard 250 or 500K pot (not sure which), and wired it as is usual today. I'll remember to ask him, have to call him about something else soon anyway... Will post back if he did something more special than this.Steinar ------------------
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Ron Whitfield
Member From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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posted 08 June 2005 12:22 PM
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Thanx Steinar, sounds like he may have changed caps or simply bypassed it as well.
Hope to hear your follow up! |
Steinar Gregertsen
Member From: Arendal, Norway
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posted 08 June 2005 12:51 PM
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Just spoke with my tech, and here's what he told me;The old tone pot was wired with a condensator in each "end" - as opposed to having one major condensator as is standard today - this was supposedly done to create a broader range of sound, but it also 'holds back' on the output so it gets weak. For the most natural sound from the pickup you're supposed to have the tone control in approx center position, not wide open. What he did was to simply replace it with a modern tonepot and wire it as is standard today, using only one condensator.
This brought the pickup up from a rather wimpy nasal tone (weaker than my standard Tele) to a full humbucker-like output, so if anybody has a Dynamic that sounds nasal and weak this modification may very well do the trick. Steinar ------------------
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Bill Creller
Member From: Saginaw, Michigan, USA
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posted 09 June 2005 06:05 PM
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There are many ways which people wired in the pots. Many had the pot wired across the output, both tone and volume. This cuts off the highs quite a bit, and I believe the pickup doesn't have a chance with that type of circuit. Most of the guitars I have had apart had many different approaches to control tone and volume. Stewart McDonald has info on effects of various resistance pots. |
Zayit
Member From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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posted 14 June 2005 02:56 PM
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Hi Jon,Sorry for bumping this old thread, but I love my National Dynamic/Special S-8. It has a distinct sound of its own- different from the trebly Fenders, the mid-rangy Gibsons & the roarin' Ricky's. Here are some pix of the Dynamic/Special: Mine is an S-8, black on black sorta like the one at the bottom. http://www.well.com/user/wellvis/roulette.html
http://www.well.com/user/wellvis/steels/National/NationalDynamic.JPG
http://www.well.com/user/wellvis/steels/National/NationalSpecial.JPG |
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