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Topic: Bigsby "lap steel" on ebay
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Chris Lucker
Member From: Los Angeles, California USA
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posted 15 September 2005 09:49 PM
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It is interesting that both Shelbys and Bigbys come up in the same post. Both are classic, limited production items that have a history of being faked.
My friend Carroll does not know much about Bigsbys, or chickens, but he sure has some things to relate about some faked Shelbys. |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 16 September 2005 08:56 AM
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Chris, a very interesting thing you have brought up.
What is the difference between restored, a replica or a fake?
How many restoration parts can one put on a Shelby until it's a fake? How many original parts can you put together before it's an original? If you have all 100% original parts but you put it togerher instead of the factory, is it still original?
To me, anything, (Shelbys, Bigsbys, GTOs or whatever) aren't "original" anymore if they have been disassembaled and reassembaled by anyone except the factory/original builder etc. Restored possibly, but not original.
A restoration, is not original, but can possibly be much better than original. Look at the "over restored" cars in Harrahs auto museum in Reno, better than new, but not original by any strech of the imagination.
I just sold a Plymouth muscle car that was in incredible condition, 2800 miles, 100% original. I sold it because of being afraid of driving it in traffic, didn't want it torn up. A very rare car in perfect condition, and too good for me and what I wanted a car for. So I sold it rather than make a valuless piece of transportation out of it! I hope who I sold it to will treasure its originality and value for what it is.
Bobbe [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 16 September 2005 at 11:32 AM.] |
Chris Lucker
Member From: Los Angeles, California USA
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posted 16 September 2005 09:26 AM
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Not to change the subject, but I think Budd Issaaccs' Shelby is for sale on Ebay. It's rare. The only four door Shelby made. Someone could buy it and make two two-door Shelbys out of it!
(edited to correct spelling of the word "the" several times)[This message was edited by Chris Lucker on 16 September 2005 at 09:31 AM.] |
Jussi Huhtakangas
Member From: Helsinki, Finland
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posted 16 September 2005 10:36 AM
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Bobbe, your standards break my heart. I confess and beg forgiveness for my sins; I changed the strings on my Bigsby but I do have the original owner's cigarette butts in the ashtray   |
chas smith
Member From: Encino, CA, USA
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posted 16 September 2005 11:07 AM
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I know that this is the non-pedal forum, but talking about Bigsbys and mods. From my perspective, the "value" issue only applies if you intend to sell the instrument, and sell it as original. Years ago I traded for Reese Anderson's S-10 pedal guitar. Because it had had an unsuccessful attempt to "upgrade" it to a more modern undercarriage, using Sho-Bud Professional parts, and since I intended on playing it on a regular basis, I decided to do my version of an upgrade. This is what I did to the undercarriage:
 [This message was edited by chas smith on 16 September 2005 at 11:08 AM.] |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 16 September 2005 11:27 AM
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Chas., I'm impressed. I'm also very glad that this great guitar is being used/played often.
When this guitar was brand new in 1959, Maurice had it extensively reworked by a real guitar genius named Bill Denison in Dallas before he could ever use it. I know he played the guitar for five or six years before I bought it the first time.
I agree with you Chas.about your mod, if you have a '55 Chevy and drag race for a living, you will need to make some mods to your car!
I love to see Bigsbys being used.
Chris Lucker, your humor is not falling on deaf ears, thank you for your forum post, this will be the subject of my next news letter. Bobbe |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 16 September 2005 11:45 AM
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Chris, next time you play golf, tell Carroll Shelby that I said he was a "fake" chicken farmer! (I hope he'll see the humor in this.)
I think a deturmining factor on what is "Fake" and what is "Original" is how the seller presents it when he sells it.
It's a "fake" if he lies and says it is original when it isn't.
However, if he is honest and says it is a "Replica", then it isn't a "fake", but rather a honest "replica" or restoration.
Think about this guys, read it again, Just the word "Fake" has illegal implications, the word "Replica" dosen't. Did Ed Naylor build "Fake" Nashville LTD steel guitars? No, but he tried to. He just couldn't get the screw driver to work.
(humor here) Bobster |
Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 16 September 2005 12:05 PM
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Here's what I think happens a lot, and suspect to see more of it in the future:Someone of questionable skills (or even better) decides he can build a fake replica Bigby, or Sho-Bud, or Shelby, or whatever....
Even attaches a logo with the real name. He does a poor job, and the item remains in a basement/shed/garage for years. It is eventually scavenged at a yard sale, estate sale, or junk removal service, by someone who knows nothing about it. He calls it a
Bigby, or Sho-Bud, or Shelby, because that's what the sticker on it says. The new owner sells a lot of stuff on eBay, and is no more an expert than the old auctioneer who sold stuff like this the old fashioned way. It's really not dishonest.
Especially at Auctions - you have to be an educated buyer. You might get a bargain, might not. If you want expert advice deal with an established expert. It will probably save you money in the long run. |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 17 September 2005 03:28 PM
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This still comes down to sellers making claims about items they know nothing about. They just hope that they may be able to sell to somone that is as ignorant of the facts as they are "claiming" to be.
Notice that the seller of this Bigsby neck stated that "only 47 Bigsby steel guitars were ever made", this statement is something he picked up from someone else, showing that he did some research, but not enough to be correct. There are well over 100 true authentic Bigsby steel guitars in the world.
What sellers say about things they sell on ebay are quite often things they want to believe themselves, but are just plain not true.
I feel if a seller makes a statement that something is positively true, then it should be true. There were several things in this sellers "pitch" that lacked fact. I hope the buyer didn't get the item based only on what the seller claimed was fact. If so, he may learn the facts the hard way. The ebay way. This is only one persons opinion, mine.
I just don't like seeing untrue things said about a product and the unsuspecting falling into a trap.
I can see it now, someone will get the faux "Bigsby" single neck guitar and try to trade it in to me wanting $8000.00 for it. (I'll send them to Geo. Gruhun) Well, sorry boys, I had to vent a little more here. Who knows, this neck may be worth the selling price sooner than I thought.
I sold my last A.C. Cobra for $35.000.00, and the buyer resold it last week for $390.000.00. Who ever knows, I never thought that little aluminum roadster would ever be worth even half that. Bobbster | |
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