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Topic: Microcube competition?
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Gerald Ross
Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 19 January 2006 10:52 AM
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Has anyone heard or tried one of theseVox DA5 5 watts and 6.5" speaker 6 C batteries $9 more than the Microcube. ------------------
Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar' 
CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association [This message was edited by Gerald Ross on 19 January 2006 at 10:53 AM.]
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George Manno
Member From: chicago
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posted 19 January 2006 11:17 AM
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Yeah I have. I sent it back because it had a terrible ground hum right out of the box. One of my lodge brothers sent his back as well. WE both didn't think that we were going to get some sort of pee wee AC30, but we were certainly unimpressed with the one's we purchased. I took my refund as purchased another Microcube.GM |
Gerald Ross
Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 19 January 2006 01:05 PM
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I just had a guy at Elderly Instruments A-B the Vox vs Microcube (they sell both).I told him I wanted it for it's clean settings, fat bottom end and it's reverb. I told him I played lap steel and hollow body electric fingerstyle guitar. I was not interested in the distorted sounds. He spent some some time with both and called me back. He said the Vox is definitely louder, has much tighter, cleaner bottom end and similar effects to the Microcube. I told him to listen for a ground hum, he didn't hear one. He would buy the Vox (remember, they sell both). Hmmm... ------------------
Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association [This message was edited by Gerald Ross on 19 January 2006 at 01:06 PM.]
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Randy Reeves
Member From: Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
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posted 19 January 2006 01:18 PM
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I swallowed one once. sounds better than it tastes.I have a small battery amp. it resembles a Fender Twin. my lap steel sounds like an angry bee when played through it.
but I'll tell ya, it s so much fun around a camp fire in the north woods.
it does have a buzzing when the gain is up and the volume turned up high.
at lower volumes it loses alot of its bite and fun. |
Ben Jones
Member From: Washington, USA
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posted 19 January 2006 02:08 PM
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Pardon my ignorance but do you guys use these primarily because they take batteries? or just to have a small practice or recording amp that you will most likely plug in anyway? Thanks. |
Gerald Ross
Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 19 January 2006 02:15 PM
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Size and batteries. The ultimate travel amp. They fit inside your suitcase and you can play anywhere. And the tone is good enough.For "real" gigs I use a Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb reissue. ------------------
Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association |
Donald Ruetenik
Member From: Pleasant Hill, California, USA
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posted 19 January 2006 02:22 PM
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Looks like Vox is trying to play catch-up with the Microcube popularity. I wonder if other manufacturers are jumping on the 'band wagon'. |
Ben Jones
Member From: Washington, USA
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posted 19 January 2006 02:34 PM
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Its a shame they cant make a small battery powered tube amp  |
Bill Creller
Member From: Saginaw, Michigan, USA
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posted 19 January 2006 05:38 PM
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What Ben said. I love tubes, and to me most solid state amps suck. But I DO like my Micro Cube, for what it was designed for. |
Kevin Mincke
Member From: Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA
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posted 19 January 2006 08:31 PM
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MicroCube it is! |
Andy Sandoval
Member From: Bakersfield, California, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 03:22 AM
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Micro Cube, Micro Cube, Rah Rah Rah! I use mine for practicing all the time and even played my Fender Deluxe 8 through it at a Christmas show last month. I love it. |
Gerald Ross
Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 06:47 AM
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Ok, I bit the bullet....I went out last night and bought a Vox DA5 ($139.99). Here are my preliminary findings after 3 hours of playing. But first let me tell you why I want to replace my Roland Microcube. The MC is fine with my Bakelite Rick. It has a nice full fat tone at low volumes. The MC falls apart when I try to play fingerstyle on my D'Angelico Arch-Top hollow body or any hollow body electric. There is no bass whatsoever. Whatever bass there is, is just a low level speaker rattling buzz. I need a battery powered amp that can handle both the arch-top and the steel. Findings:
Vox speaker - 6.5" MC speaker - 4.5"
Vox has more cleaner and usable bottom end than the MC.
Vox is a bit noisier (hiss) than the MC.
Vox has much more headroom and is much louder(clean volume) than the MC.
MC looks cooler than the Vox.
Vox logo/shield and speaker grill is cheap looking.
Vox has more effects (compression, auto wah, rotary speaker).
Vox has selectable wattage (.5, 1.5 and 5). Five is the cleanest and loudest.
MC "seems" built better (durability).
Vox does NOT have a ground hum (mentioned earlier).
Vox is programmable (although a confusing manual on how to do this).
Vox and MC have about the same reverb tone. Conclusion:
The Vox does what I want it to do. Fat round bass for my arch-top. Full sound for my steel. Louder and cleaner than the Microcube. So far... I think I'll keep it. My friend's Klezmer band is coming to Ann Arbor tomorrow night and is in concert. I'm sitting in with them with both my Rick and the arch-top. I'll see what the Vox sounds like on the bandstand. Film at 11. ------------------
Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association
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Jeff Au Hoy
Member From: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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posted 20 January 2006 08:13 AM
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Film at 11.
lol Gerald... remember "Kentucky Fried Movie"? |
Todd Weger
Member From: Safety Harbor, FLAUSA
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posted 20 January 2006 11:00 AM
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I love my MC. For me, the ease of portability factor is a huge plus. I really dig the Brit Combo setting for either Hawaiian playing, or with a bit more grit for more bluesy stuff. I used it on an open mic acoustic thing the other night (sans mic), and it was just right. Of course, it's a small room, low volume acoustic gig, so that helped. I don't care for the line-out tone, though, but if I need a little more volume, I just mic it, and it works/sounds fine for my needs. ------------------
Todd James Weger --
1956 Fender Stringmaster T-8 (C6, A6, B11); 1960 Fender Stringmaster D-8 (C6, B11/A6); Regal resonator (C6) |
Gerald Ross
Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 11:04 AM
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BTW - The Vox is an inch taller and an inch wider than the MC. So, pretty close in size. They weigh about the same as well - 8 lbs.------------------
Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association |
Stephan Miller
Member From: Silver Spring, Maryland, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 02:57 PM
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I'll have to check out the Vox. The Microcube was OK for a while as a rehearsal amp, but the band is 6 pieces including drums, and our practice volume has inched past the capacity of the li'l Cube. 5 watts should get the job done, plus the DA-5 is only slightly bigger & heavier, so it'll probably pass the duffel bag test as a travel amp.I'm a "Brit Combo" fan myself, but that's a Vox-based sound anyway...hmm. --Steve [This message was edited by Stephan Miller on 20 January 2006 at 02:59 PM.] |
Donald Ruetenik
Member From: Pleasant Hill, California, USA
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posted 20 January 2006 03:39 PM
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I wonder how that Vox will make my black Artisan sound? |
Derrick Mau
Member From: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
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posted 21 January 2006 09:25 AM
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Gerald,
Just curious, but how does the Vox match up against the Micro Cube for ukulele?
I've used all three of my ukes with the Micro Cube in outdoor situations (with the Acoustic setting sounding the best) and they all sound horrible through this amp. |
Todd Weger
Member From: Safety Harbor, FLAUSA
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posted 21 January 2006 11:02 AM
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Just curious, but how does the Vox match up against the Micro Cube for ukulele?
I've used all three of my ukes with the Micro Cube in outdoor situations (with the Acoustic setting sounding the best) and they all sound horrible through this amp.
Derrick -- what kind of pickups are in your ukes? My drummer has one with a K&K uke pickup in it (passive), and through the MC, with the tone knob all the way down, and using the acoustic setting, it actually sounds OK. Have you tried using a mic and the mic setting? More hassle, to be sure, with mic/stand and needing a mic cable with a 1/4" transformer, but it might be one solution. Of course, feedback can be an issue with that, too. |
Loni Specter
Member From: West Hills, CA, USA
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posted 21 January 2006 07:47 PM
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I have a question regarding the hum. Does the vox hum when it's running on bateries or just on it's AC adapter?
My boss drum machine hums on AC, but not on batteries. |
Ben Jones
Member From: Washington, USA
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posted 21 January 2006 08:35 PM
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Loni, could that be a ground problem where you live? Have you been able to try the machine outside your home with the AC adapter? The ground in the house I rent is kinda old and screwy. I cannot play guitars with humbuckers and one of my amps hums here but is fine outside the house. Alot of nearby electronic devices can also cause hum in AC power, esp computer monitors, I think? |
Loni Specter
Member From: West Hills, CA, USA
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posted 21 January 2006 11:44 PM
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Neb, That's Ben spelled backwards. Hey it's Saturday night and all...
Yes It could well be the wiring in the house. Lord knows enough amateurs have screwed around with it.
Then again it could be haunted! |
Derrick Mau
Member From: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
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posted 22 January 2006 01:34 AM
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Hi Todd,The Kamaka Ukulele factory custom installed the pickups for my ukes. I'll have to ask them what brand they used. I paid about $200.00 for each so it's not one of those cheapy stick-on ones. The MIC setting was the only one I didn't try yet for the reasons you mentioned. I'll give it a try. Thanks! |
Gary Boyett
Member From: Colorado
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posted 22 January 2006 09:34 AM
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Well Gerald, how was the amp at the gig?By the way, have you tried this one yet? Electro-Harmonix ------------------
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Gerald Ross
Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 22 January 2006 10:20 AM
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Last night I sat in with the Yiddishe Cup Klezmer band from Cleveland. They were in concert here in Ann Arbor. It was a perfect opportunity to try out the Vox in a real world setting.For those of you who don't know, Klezmer music is often called Jewish Jazz, the type of music you would hear at Jewish weddings, bar mitzvahs etc. 50 years ago. A horn based music. Clarinet is king in Klezmer. The 5 piece band was comprised of Clarinet, Sax, Trombone, Piano and Drums. I've known the clarinet player Bert for about 8 years. I sat in on two numbers during their second set and two tunes for their encore. The tunes... on archtop I played "Bei Mir Bist Du Shoen", the Andrews sisters had a big hit with this one. On Bakelite Rick I played "Haleluyah" a Steve Lawrence & Edie Gorme hit from the early 60's. Encore tunes on the Bakelite were "Sholom Aleichem" and of course "Hava Nagila". The Vox was perched on a stool with a Shure SM-57 feeding it into the sound system. I went battery powered. My wife and brother were in the audience. They don't lie to me about how I play or what I sound like. The amp performed great. I could hear myself above the drums and horns and the tone was as good as I hoped for in a live setting where you swoop in for two songs and then swoop out and don't really settle in. I was not part of the early evening sound check. In a loud setting like this I feel the Vox beats out the Microcube. My volume was clean and I still felt the amp could give more. I only had the volume up to around 5. My wife said the steel sounded great. She said it was clean and fat sounding. She also said the other musicians were looking at me and smiling during my solos... so that says something too about the tone (smiling-at is better than laughing-at). She said my tone on the arch-top was too distorted sounding. She was right. During that number I inadvertantly flipped the amp setting to "Blues" which is a bit more distorted. I reset the amp to "Clean" for the steel numbers. This morning there was a jam session/brunch at a person's house with the band and I played the arch-top on the clean setting and I was happy. I'm going to keep the amp. I still feel the Microcube looks cooler. ------------------
Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association
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Todd Weger
Member From: Safety Harbor, FLAUSA
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posted 22 January 2006 01:17 PM
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Arrrrrrrggggghhhhh!!!
Blast you, Ross! Now I'm going to HAVE to go and try one of these amps, based on your real-life situational report. Arrrrrrgggghhhh!I really dig my MC for the small gatherings, and that ultra-convenient battery thing, using just 6 AA's, and last what seems like weeks. BTW, for non-battery small amps, have you ever tried the little 8" speaker Crate VC-508? 5 watts of EL-84 class A power that, while a bit buzzy with the noise factor, has a great tone for old-time lapsteel sound. Thanks for the report. TJW ------------------
Todd James Weger --
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Jon Light
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posted 22 January 2006 01:39 PM
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Gerald--have you yet been able to assess battery life? Or at least could you say "I've run it hard for {fill in the blank} hours and it is still going strong"? |
Craig Stenseth
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posted 22 January 2006 02:09 PM
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Gerald,
Did you try it with (electric) bass?
Just wondering if you can get loud enough to play along with ukes or acoustic guitars in a jam situation, not necessarily on stage.
I know the MicroCube doesn't get very loud without the speaker distorting (and not in a good sounding way). |
Gerald Ross
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posted 22 January 2006 02:17 PM
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Have not tried it with either a electric bass or uke. I'm guessing the uke would be okay. I'd be scared of trashing the speaker with a bass. Battery life - I'm still on the original 6 C batteries with I'd say about 5 hours of playing time.Once again, I still think the Microcube looks cooler. The Vox still looks cheap to me.
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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association [This message was edited by Gerald Ross on 22 January 2006 at 02:18 PM.]
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Todd Weger
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posted 23 January 2006 06:39 AM
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Running bass through any small wattage amp like these are will draw more energy than they can handle, not to mention eat more battery life, if it's a battery powered amp.If you really want a battery powered bass amp for those AC-free jams, you might consider a Limo Bass Bus or for a little less power, and a lot less money, a Pignose Hog 30. Caveat: I haven't tried either though, so I don't know how well they really work. |
Gerald Ross
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posted 25 January 2006 08:38 PM
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Answering Derrick Mau:I played my Lanakai Tenor Uke with it's K&K "Big Shot" pickup tonight through the Vox for an hour or so and it sounded great. The K&K is a piezo type pickup, mounted under soundboard with a 1/4" endpin jack. I got a rich, full tone, well about as rich and full as you can get with a uke. So, yes, it's a good amp for an amplified uke. ------------------
Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association |
Mike Fried
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posted 25 January 2006 10:30 PM
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I've used my MicroCube with my Kanile'a tenor uke that has a Baggs Element undersaddle pickup and it sounds great. |
Derrick Mau
Member From: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
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posted 26 January 2006 11:18 AM
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Thanks Gerald. |
Todd Weger
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posted 15 February 2006 05:33 AM
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Hey Mike -- did you install that Baggs Element yourself, or is this something a luthier would have to do? I've been thinking of putting in a Baggs "I-Beam" active in mine, but as I look at it, I begin to see how difficult that could be!
Thanks.
TJW
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Todd James Weger --
1956 Fender Stringmaster T-8 (C6, A6, B11); 1960 Fender Stringmaster D-8 (C6, B11/A6); Regal resonator (C6) |
Derrick Mau
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posted 15 February 2006 03:35 PM
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Hi Todd,
I tried using the MIC setting rigged with a SM-57 but too much feedback problems as you had suggested. It helped only a little when I turned the gain down, but I lost considerable volume.My ukes sounded best with a mic'd SM-57 through a large Fender amp. It kept the natural tone of the uke which I was looking for. I've been fiddling around with the new Vox DA-5 for two days now doing A/B comparisons against the Microcube for steel guitar. I could get the Vox's tone to sound comparable to the Microcube, but couldn't find a setting on the Vox that could surpass it in tone. Yes, the Vox was louder than the Microcube if you're using at the 5 watt setting but the tone had too much presence and sounded more harsh. It sounded better and sweeter on the lowest watt selection. The Vox is a good choice in my opinion if you're going to use this amp for other instruments as well as steel guitar. |
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