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Topic: HSGA's Forum
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Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 11 August 2006 08:47 AM
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The Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association has opened up a "Forum".It can be accessed by going to ... HSGA's Homepage ... and clickin' on the link provided. There is also a "link" in the Links Section ...  All folks interested in Hawaiian Steel Guitar and/or Hawaiian Music ... are welcome to register and participate ...  See you there ... ------------------
Dustpans LTD.
The Casteels
HSGA
[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 11 August 2006 at 08:53 AM.]
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Mike Neer
Member From: NJ
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posted 11 August 2006 08:54 AM
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Excellent! I've just registered. |
Scott Thomas
Member From: Oregon, USA
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posted 11 August 2006 10:16 AM
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It's great to have another forum dedicated solely to the Hawaiian steel guitar. I'm sure that under the care and keeping of Rick and Gerald, it has the best chance to thrive and become the place of vigorous activity that it never was in its earlier incarnation. |
Brad Bechtel
Moderator From: San Francisco, CA
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posted 11 August 2006 10:47 AM
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Looks good, Rick. Thanks for pointing this out.------------------
Brad's Page of Steel
A web site devoted to acoustic & electric lap steel guitars |
Gerald Ross
Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 11 August 2006 11:19 AM
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This was all Rick's doing. Congratulate him.All I did was encourage him. ------------------
Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar' 
CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association |
Andy Sandoval
Member From: Bakersfield, California, USA
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posted 11 August 2006 02:50 PM
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Congratulations Rick. I know this is gonna be great. Just registered and waitin on my password. I also like the videos that have been added to the web site, Very cool and lookin forward to it. |
Rick Collins
Member From: Claremont , CA USA
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posted 11 August 2006 02:59 PM
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...congratulations Rick.The new HSGA Forum is neat ___and CLEAN.  |
Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 11 August 2006 06:10 PM
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There's been alittle confusion in the registration process ...Apparently the program sends out an "activation" link via email ... that needs to be clicked on ... Then the computer sends out ... in another email ... your random password ... This can be changed ... to whatever you like ... once you gain access to your "Profile". So far ... 24 active members in 9 hrs ... ------------------
Dustpans LTD.
The Casteels
HSGA
[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 11 August 2006 at 06:16 PM.]
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Andy Sandoval
Member From: Bakersfield, California, USA
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posted 11 August 2006 06:57 PM
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Rick, I received the activation email but still haven't received my password. About how long does it take to get the password? |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 11 August 2006 07:50 PM
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You'll receive it after the HSGA convention in Oct., when we all vote on your password.  |
Don Kona Woods
Member From: Vancouver, Washington, USA
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posted 11 August 2006 11:32 PM
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I got the Pre-HSGA Convention password, so everything is up and running and I am a member.The site looks impressive. You can personalize postings. Seems a little overwhelming because it is new. I have already have two postings. Sort of experimenting to check out the possibilities. Aloha, 
Don[This message was edited by Don Kona Woods on 11 August 2006 at 11:33 PM.] |
Andy Sandoval
Member From: Bakersfield, California, USA
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posted 12 August 2006 12:04 AM
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Still no password, I guess I'll have to wait till the vote in October. |
Gary Boyett
Member From: Colorado
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posted 12 August 2006 02:55 AM
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This site is very cool. Plenty of cool ways to post. Once you are up and running it is easy.Great Job Rick! Do we get a special icon for charter members the first 24 hrs?
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Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 12 August 2006 05:01 AM
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Andy ... I have you active since 4 pm yesterday.If you still don't have your "random" password ... I'll delete you
Ahhh, Power ... ha, ha ... And you can re-register ... Let me know ... Sorry for any inconvienience ... ------------------
Dustpans LTD.
The Casteels
HSGA
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Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 12 August 2006 07:29 AM
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I just signed up, no problem.It looks like fun! I have been a member of the HSGA for several years. [This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 12 August 2006 at 07:29 AM.] |
Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 12 August 2006 07:49 AM
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Nice work Rick.
I wish you and the HSGA all the best with it.I'd change the white lettering on the black background. Maybe it's just me, but it strains my eyes. Red lettering on black is even worse. Someday I'll attend a HSGA convention. |
Warren Slavin
Member From: Southampton, PA, 18966. USA
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posted 12 August 2006 12:06 PM
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Rick & Gerald -- CONGRATULATIONS !!! This is an excellent way to bring the Hawaiian Steel Guitar Family a little closer. We have to keep it clean and tactful and we will all share in the wealth of knowledge and experience that we all have. One question to Rick -- how do I access my profile. Warren ------------------
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Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 12 August 2006 12:17 PM
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After "Logging in" ... with your username and password ... You will see a "profile button" along the top ... underneath the beautiful logo ... Amy Pace made us ... This will prompt you to re-enter your password ... and give you access ... where you can edit anything in your profile. ------------------
Dustpans LTD.
The Casteels
HSGA
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Alan F. Brookes
Member From: Brummy living in California, USA
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posted 12 August 2006 03:10 PM
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Isn't an additional forum just going to water down both forums (fora ?). There's no shortage of space in this forum for Hawaiians.
Has any hawaiian player ever felt held back in this forum by the presence of bluegrass, blues and dance band players ?
From my obervation so far, I would have thought that the No Peddlars forum was probably
5% Blues.
40% County/Western Swing
40% Hawaiian
5% Everyone Else.But what binds us together is the Steel Guitar. A Hawaiian Forum is going to bring in Slack-Key, traditional Hawaiian Folk Music, the Silky-Strings Hawaiian Elevator Music. When I try to buy Hawaiian CDs I find that nowadays the steel guitar is almost entirely lacking from dealers' shelves. |
Alan F. Brookes
Member From: Brummy living in California, USA
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posted 12 August 2006 03:18 PM
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Having just visited the HSGA Forum I take back what I said. I hadn't realized that the forum is dedicated to the Hawaiian STEEL Guitar.Looks good so far. I registered. Let's see how it goes. |
Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 12 August 2006 03:24 PM
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The HSGA had a Forum... when our "Website" was first opened up ... but it lacked some features that this one has.The re-establishment of HSGA's forum is simply another feature of our ever growing ... body of information, membership and enthusiasm for Hawaiian Steel Guitar .. That is showcased on our newly designed website.
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Dustpans LTD.
The Casteels
HSGA
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Alan F. Brookes
Member From: Brummy living in California, USA
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posted 12 August 2006 03:29 PM
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If you're into Hawaiian Music, check this link..
http://www.waikiki-islanders.com/ |
Danny James
Member From: Columbus, Indiana, USA
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posted 12 August 2006 03:47 PM
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Hey Rick, I just signed up a minute ago and I'm now waiting for my password. I would have signed up sooner but was tied up all week. I think this is going to be a nice forum and hope I'm able to post something worthwhile once in a while. Thanks Rick for your work on this. Regards,
Danny |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 12 August 2006 09:22 PM
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We have to keep it clean
Rick Collins comes in at night and sweeps up. [This message was edited by HowardR on 12 August 2006 at 09:43 PM.]
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Derrick Mau
Member From: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
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posted 13 August 2006 12:24 PM
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Anyone know who the moderator is going to be for this new Forum? |
Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 13 August 2006 02:18 PM
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Me and Gerald ... excuse me ...Gerald and I ... ------------------
Dustpans LTD.
The Casteels
HSGA
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Danny James
Member From: Columbus, Indiana, USA
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posted 13 August 2006 02:22 PM
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Moderators---Rick Aiello & Gerald Ross.They are listed at the bottom of the new forum. Congratulations to them. They are doing a good job of getting it started. |
Danny James
Member From: Columbus, Indiana, USA
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posted 13 August 2006 02:23 PM
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Ha---Rick & I had to be typing the answere at the same time. :-) |
Ron Whitfield
Member From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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posted 14 August 2006 12:55 PM
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Nice looking page, but I find it baffling that anyone would feel a need for the HSGA to revive the forum on it's site since the previous one died from moderator neglect (I doubt Rick will allow that, as long as he's there) and the once interesting SGForum is dying from lack of meaningful input. As previously mentioned, this diversion will indeed enhance that aspect.
Is the main objective merely to entice a bounce in the dwindling membership?What incentives will the new forum give to viewers to prolong interest once the honeymoon is over? Will the original HSGA forum's content be revived to give a respectful nod to those who posted and got no response, plus enable a new day discussion on the many fine points made?
There indeed was some very interesting info.
Or, is that all in the wind? I truly wish the organization huge success in it's new venture, that they retrive the former members and get many new ones, and then put all that power and $ to good use, finally. |
Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 14 August 2006 01:20 PM
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I find it baffling that anyone would feel a need for the HSGA to revive the forum on it's site since the previous one died from moderator neglect
Often people find the things I like and do ... baffling. Seriously ... I just wanted our new website to have an active forum ... simple as that ... quote:
the once interesting SGForum is dying from lack of meaningful input. As previously mentioned, this diversion will indeed enhance that aspect.
I find that statement baffling ... Do you really feel that Jerry Douglas' Forum, Bob Brozman's (IGS) Forum, the various Reso forums, etc ... dilutes the SGF ... quote:
Is the main objective merely to entice a bounce in the dwindling membership?
I wasn't aware we were dwindling ... care to share some statistics ...  quote:
What incentives will the new forum give to viewers to prolong interest once the honeymoon is over?
In my world ... the Honeymoon's never over ...  Seriously ... nothing but good conversation about the Hawaiian Steel Guitar ... what else could any lover of Hawaiian Steel Guitar wish for on an internet forum. quote:
Will the original HSGA forum's content be revived to give a respectful nod to those who posted and got no response, plus enable a new day discussion on the many fine points made? There indeed was some very interesting info. Or, is that all in the wind?
That I can't say ... but I'll be glad to put up an "archieve" ... quote:
I truly wish the organization huge success in it's new venture, that they retrive the former members and get many new ones, and then put all that power and $ to good use, finally.
Ron ... from this and many of your past posts ... it doesn't seem your "well wishing" is "genuine" ... Now ... I answered your questions ... you answer mine. Could you please give me specifics ... as to why you feel the HSGA has gone downhill ... since ... ???? I've been a member since 1987 ... and I really am lost as to why you and some others are so "Down On" HSGA ... ------------------
Dustpans LTD.
The Casteels
HSGA
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Gerald Ross
Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 14 August 2006 01:39 PM
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NEW HSGA VIDEO PAGENEW HSGA AUDIO PAGE NEW HSGA FORUM MANY MANY NEW JOLIET PARTICIPANTS THIS YEAR! (get on a plane and see for yourself) --
What have you done lately besides complain Ron? Not much of an aloha spirit there buddy.
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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association [This message was edited by Gerald Ross on 14 August 2006 at 04:34 PM.]
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Rick Collins
Member From: Claremont , CA USA
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posted 14 August 2006 02:08 PM
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Rick Collins comes in at night and sweeps up.
Yes. Mr Clean is now high-tech with the virtual Swiffer. |
Gerald Ross
Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 14 August 2006 06:22 PM
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Ron Whitfield writes:
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Is the main objective merely to entice a bounce in the dwindling membership?What incentives will the new forum give to viewers to prolong interest once the honeymoon is over?
The HSGA Audio Page - FREE
The HSGA Video Page - FREE
The HSGA Forum - FREE
The HSGA Website and all its info - FREE Have you used any of these resources Ron? Have you downloaded any of our songs to your Ipod? Have you gone to our tunings page when you couldn't remember how to get to B11 from C6? Have you used our bandwidth to watch a few steel guitar videos? (each video is 20 megs, that's a lot of transfer bandwidth that we pay for each month). Have you joined the HSGA or sent us a donation to help keep these things going? You support your local public television station and your local NPR radio station don't you? You wouldn't watch their shows or listen to their alternative programming without sending them $25 every now and then - would you? Internet Providers and disk space on Web Servers costs money.
Graphic Design costs money.
Bandwidth costs money. Everything on our website is free to all - you don't have to be a member of the HSGA to partake. It's our mission to promote the Hawaiian Steel Guitar and we are doing that on the Internet the best way we know how. What are you doing?
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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
CEO, CIO, CFO - UkeTone Records
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
Board of Directors Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association
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Ron Whitfield
Member From: Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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posted 14 August 2006 06:41 PM
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Rick, first off, let me say that your response is quite a relief and a pleasure to read as you actually put the effort into addressing some of my input, something sorely neglected in the past by other's in the HSGA hierarchy. And I don't mean only my input. Many others have been ignored thru the years, some of the most hard working HSGA members.
Thank you.
I hope this is another example of the organization making recent changes in the right direction.As far as my genuiness, all I can do here is assure you, in spite of my candor on the subject, that I have for over 25 years, wished the club all the best. After all, you guy's are the only game in town. Which is why I occassionally get down on the matter when I feel like it's again time to do so in order to stir the pot and maybe get some some needed airing of subjects that I and others have concerns about. The other forums you mentioned aren't steel guitar forums to the extreme that these 2 in question are, but yes, I'd imagine that they do take some things away from the SGF. I'm not familiar with those others, so I can't say for sure. Per the # of members, while I'm not privy to the inside scoop, I understand that at it's max around 10 years ago the HSGA had at least 600 members (which is nothing to shout about) and that it has been dropping to about 400+ at present.
I think with a high profile presentation of the steel in the Hawaiian community alone that has been missing since it's hey day's post war, that the steel could be king again.
Screw the ukulele!
...not really.
I've watched as the HSGA has done more and more to distance itself from this supposed objective for years and with the advent of the net and bOb's SGF, I've had the chance to vent some frustrations about it worldwide. I hope to continue this discussion tomorrow when I have more time, if needed.
Til then, I appreciate your and the other hard working HSGAers and steel lovers all the best! |
Kay Das
Member From: Singapore and Irvine CA
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posted 14 August 2006 07:18 PM
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For me, the new HSGA forum is a great move in the right direction. Gerald and Rick and others who tirelessly spend time and effort to keep it, and all things related, going and improving cannot be thanked enough. The new forum will develop its own style, flavour and uniqueness and evolve and take fresh directions from the growing capabilities of broadband Internet today. The Members Video page addition is a brilliant example. Just mouse over to the number of forums there exist today on the Internet on blues, jazz, country, latin, r&b, soul, gospel, big band, new wave...Steel guitar music is still today a tiny crest in the vast ocean of music and we that love this great instrument must do all we can to make it a wave. There is much room for more players,styles, teachers, recordings, copyrights... for both Hawaiian and non-Hawaiian steel music. Many still think "steel guitar" is something you do when you walk out of a shop with one without paying. ------------------
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Mike Neer
Member From: NJ
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posted 15 August 2006 08:52 AM
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While I'm not a member of the HSGA and I'm not aware of a lot of the insider discussions and reasons for the criticisms etc., I will say this: the HSGA is merely an outlet for those who wish for the propagation and continued interest in the Hawaiian steel guitar. It's not run by any bigshots or folks with any influence. If people are not interested in the Hawaiian steel like they were in the 20s-40s craze and it's relegated to cultural or traditional esoterica, what can you do? You can't force people to like it. It would be nice to see an upswing in the popularity of Hawaiian steel guitar, but come on...the future is not looking all that bright. Don't try to pin it all on the HSGA--they are merely folks with passion for it. ------------------
www.mikeneer.com Mike Neer on MySpace [This message was edited by Mike Neer on 15 August 2006 at 08:52 AM.]
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Mike Neer
Member From: NJ
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posted 15 August 2006 08:57 AM
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One more point:Even a lot of the steel guitar players (or budding players) here don't even appreciate Hawaiian style. To them it's a moldy fig, or a cheesy joke. That's sad, because at its best, it can reach a very high level of expression. ------------------
www.mikeneer.com Mike Neer on MySpace |
Jesse Pearson
Member From: San Diego , CA
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posted 15 August 2006 10:43 AM
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Mike Neer, that's pretty hip that you used that old bebop phrase "moldy fig". Mike, where have you seen guys here of the SGF not showing an interest in Hawaiian steel, I haven't seen this myself? Hawaiian steel and non pedal country are so interconnected with each other, only a lamno would fail to see that and not study both genre's. This is why the SGF is such a great educational tool, bringing country and Hawaiian together in one place. I think it's cool that the HSGA has the videos up. I think the best way to encourage the advancement of Hawaiian steel is through free audio downloads of great music and free tab to go along with the audio. The more people that can play performance pieces means more of the general public will be exposed to it. Craig Pryor’s tab of “Hula Blues” made it easy for me to learn and play that piece (I did change some of the fingering but not the notes).
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Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 15 August 2006 01:12 PM
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moldy fig
Mike, you jazzy guy ... with your "Hip Speak" I remember back at a "woods" party in 8th grade ... this guy had a trash bag full of these wrinkled, dried up things ... I asked him what they were ... he said "moldy figs" ... I was hungry so I grabbed a handful .. Then ... quote:
Things got fuzzy and things got blurry ... And then everything was goneI Didn't know what happened ... But I knew it beat the &$#* out of sniffin' burlap I come to and my brother was there ... And he said, 'What's wrong with your eyes?' I said, 'I don't know, I was chewing on a fig ' ... He said, 'Let me give it a try' We spent the rest of that day and most of that night ... Trying to find my brother, Bill Caught up with him 'bout six o'clock the next mornin' ... Naked, swinging on the windmill He said he flew up there ... I had to fly up and get him down ... He was about half crazy
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Dustpans LTD.
The Casteels
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Jesse Pearson
Member From: San Diego , CA
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posted 15 August 2006 01:29 PM
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"Moldy Fig" is what Boppers liked to call die hard Dixieland musicians who hated bebop. That's my understanding of the phrase. Rick, your story seems to indicate another usage I've not heard before? But, maybe I haven't connected the buttons yet? |
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