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Mike Weirauch Member From: Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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posted 05 September 2004 08:48 AM
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Attendance seemed down this year but there was still a huge crowd. The sound coming from the mains SUCKED big time. If you sat more than 6 rows back from the stage, not only could you not hear the steel well but you could not understand what was being said by the performer. Those who sat on either side were doomed to reading lips. This was a 180 degree turn around from the past conventions. That was the only negative thing I noticed at the convention. Everyone's performance was stellar! No clinkers, just good steel playing. I'm always happy to get to put faces with names from the forum and this year I had the pleasure to finally meet Tony Davis from Australia and many more that I won't name for fear of leaving someone out. I didn't buy a new guitar this year as my wife told me I couldn't but David Wright's new guitar has to take first place in the beauty contest and if it sounds anything like Johnny Cox' new blue guitar then I want one for Christmas. Vince Gill showed up and surprised John Hughey yesterday (Saturday) and drew a large crowd while he signed autographs and talked with fans. Scotty had the entire show organized very well and it stayed close to being on time. My most memorable moment was when I watched a 12 year old blind boy swap licks with Butch Cornwell. This young man could barely reach the floor pedals and could switch necks as good as any pro. I didn't catch his name but I believe Johnny Cox had him on his set which was past my bed time and I missed it. It was a great convention and for those who attended it will make them want to come back next year. I remained sober throughout my entire time there and was able to enjoy not only the excellent performances but the people I was able to meet and talk with. If you weren't there this year, BE THERE NEXT YEAR! |
Larry Behm Member From: Oregon City, Oregon
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posted 05 September 2004 12:02 PM
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Mike will not be happy with that report. Maybe he left it up to others and they missed the target. Last year was really good. For years past the sound there has not been good, with Mike at the controls it got better.Best to get a seat on the stage with the band I guess, be part of the show. Larry Behm |
Hap Young Member From: Yuma, AZ, USA
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posted 05 September 2004 02:49 PM
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Mike. The 12 year old blind boy,s name is Jonathan Candler from Yuma Az. He is also a member of the southwestern steel guitar association. Believe it or not He hasent been playing quite a year yet. Pretty soon i,m going to sign up for some steel lessons from him. Ive only been playing for 30 years. |
Travis Bernhardt Member From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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posted 05 September 2004 03:48 PM
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FWIW, I thought the sound was fine. I mostly sat close up to the stage and in the middle, though, since I like to avoid the big speakers. Having never been before, I have no basis for comparison, but the only people I had trouble hearing were Jody Carver and Bill Stafford, due to their much mellower tone (also due to Bill's sound not coming through the mains for his first song--just the delay signal; now there's a mellow sound for you...) which blends into the rest of the band. I was amazed at the quality of the music. There was hardly a bad song, let alone a bad player. Just about everybody had some interesting angle on the steel guitar that separated them from the others. The legends all lived up to their billing, and there were a few great surprises (for me, anyways). I was especially surprised by Randy Beavers, of whom I'd heard, but only through a couple of mentions in the Forum. His set blew me away (his duets with Russ Hicks were fantastic also). His tone and his ability to coax all sorts of sounds and styles you wouldn't expect from the standard E9 tuning really set him apart, in my books. I love music that doesn't sound like the usual E9 cliches--like his arrangement of Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring. But when it was "straight" E9, I was no less impressed. Weldon Myrick's set was really moving. I can't imagine that crying E9 stuff sounding much better than that. Doug Jernigan should get the Carpal Tunnel Award for his blistering speed picking. And that tune of his where he plays on both necks at once is gorgeous. He looks so relaxed and happy when he's playing. He doesn't screw his face up to make it look like it's really hard, he just sits there looking contented. He's the steel guitar Buddha. I really liked Winnie Winston's style, too. He plays wonderful arrangements of some really good songs. Meeting Don Helms was a highlight. The man whose sound helped shape some of my favorite songs of all time, sitting in front of me telling me a story. Sarah Jory and Joe Wright were the crowd pleasing acts I was expecting. Super pickers and great showpeople. It was fun to hear various tributes to Speedy West. I LOVE those songs, and the players did them justice (special mention to Bobby Caldwell, whose freakishly good guitar playing made the entire show that much better). The non-pedal highlights were the amazing feel and swing of L.T. Zinn--my favorite Hawaiian player of the show--and Kayton Roberts' jaw dropping, absolutely inspiring run through all sorts of songs and styles--my favorite all-round non-pedal player at the show. Oh, and everything they said about Bill Stafford's ability to play Hawaiian on a pedal steel is 100% correct. Somehow he manages to play music with mostly the A and B pedals that doesn't have a hint of country in it. It left me scratching my head a little (he makes great use of E9's built in A6 tuning, and uses the pedals and an occasional knee to add appropriate movement to the notes; it's fascinating to watch). Arguably the best part of the weekend, for me at least, was Buddy Charleton's set. Hearing him and Bobby Caldwell trade fours on those really fast swing tunes made me giddy. I wish he'd had more time. I bought way more stuff than I meant to, but I don't regret it (I only regret having not taken out enough money from the ATM the first time, to avoid paying that approx. $5+ service charge more than once...). From what I could tell, every pedal steel being made was good. It looks like it really does come down to one's personal preferences and priorities. Each guitar had something that made it special. If I had to pick, I don't think I could based on mechanics and construction. Based on sound, I think that many people would probably like the Zumsteels. On stage, I thought the Zumsteels sounded pretty good--very strong, clear tone--but keep in mind just about every guitar had something in the tone to recommend it. From my limited experience of Emmons push-pulls, the Zum sound seems to lie somewhere in that direction (please, no arguments!). They project a real strength and clarity. I'm not sure if it's the tone for me--there were other guitars that had a kind of... richness (warmth, maybe?) that I really liked--but there's no denying that it works well on stage. Strength and clarity. Steel guitar heaven, all weekend long. Not much sleep, though... -Travis P.S. I bought a six-string Twister bar, I can't wait to get home and try it out...[This message was edited by Travis Bernhardt on 05 September 2004 at 03:51 PM.] |
Travis Bernhardt Member From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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posted 05 September 2004 03:53 PM
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Oh yeah, and did you see that brand new Emmons push-pull? the first one to be built in what, thirty years?-Travis |
Jim Smith Member From: Plano, TX, USA
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posted 05 September 2004 04:52 PM
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Was it really an Emmons push-pull? If so, tell us more. |
Steve Matlock Member From: Branson, MO USA
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posted 05 September 2004 05:31 PM
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Yes, it was a "new" Emmons PP! It was an S-10 wood body with a metal neck (split-tail). Ron had rounded up some PP parts from around the factory and made up this one to bring to the show. The bodies and most of the parts are from the original production runs. I think he said that particular body was an early 80's make. Sounds like he might make more if there is enough market demand. Sounded pretty good as you might expect. Of course I heard it while Jay Dee was playing it and that didn't hurt. The last ones I knew of that were made were the silver anniversary ones in 1989. Pretty neet to see another new one! Steve |
Steve Matlock Member From: Branson, MO USA
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posted 05 September 2004 05:34 PM
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BTW, I thought the sound was very respectable, except that it was very hard to understand some of the people speaking on stage. Very muttled. But most of the music I thought was pretty good. |
Tony Rankin Member From: Miamisburg, OH USA
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posted 05 September 2004 06:01 PM
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A couple of things I didn't see mentioned here were Laney Hicks singing with Russ, (she's awesome and I loved the vocals she added to Buddy's "Nameless Shuffle") and Dicky Overbey's playing. Dicky was something else! I totally agree about Randy Beavers sounding great and about the sound being poor off to the sides of the stage. Great show and lots of neat stuff to look at. |
Jim Smith Member From: Plano, TX, USA
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posted 05 September 2004 07:56 PM
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We didn't mention Laney because SteelRadio was talking with or about someone during most of Russ and Jimmie's set.  |
Craig A Davidson Member From: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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posted 05 September 2004 11:21 PM
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Jerry Brightman also had his new Performance Brand steel there. It is quite the guitar. And it sounds good too.------------------ 1985 Emmons push-pull,S-10 Marlen,Evans SE200,Hilton pedal
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Bruce W Heffner Member From: Hamburg, Pa.
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posted 06 September 2004 03:31 AM
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The sound did seem to start off shakey; however, it did improve. I was burned out by 4:30 AM Saturday morning, having sat through Dickeys "Monster" performance with Jake Hooker and the boys. Dickey plays with great passion and expression and is on my favorite players list who I would go out of my way to hear. I got a few hours sleep and made it until 2 AM Sunday morning, upon where my ears broke down and I could absorb no more and had to sleep. Scotty sure keeps coming up with great talent at these conventions and I must thank him and his family for all their hard work.[This message was edited by Bruce W Heffner on 06 September 2004 at 06:12 AM.] |
Tony Palmer Member From: Lincoln, RI USA
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posted 06 September 2004 07:22 AM
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I sat in different spots all through the convention and I didn't notice a problem with the overall sound at all, but a couple of players just didn't seem to have enough STAGE volume, probably due to personal style of playing. I don't believe that is "fixable" for a sound man. Speaking of sound, I give overall best tone award (!) to Tom Brumley this year.
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Nick Reed Member From: Springfield, TN
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posted 06 September 2004 07:34 AM
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The best part for me was seeing & meeting many of you guys who we only know from the Forum. I got a real kick out of Jimmy Queen's thursday night HOF show. He's so funny on stage. Also getting to hear Dickey Overby was a definate plus to my list of highlights. It was great to see that NEW Emmons Push/Pull Ron Jr brought to the show. NR |
Dennis Detweiler Member From: Solon, Iowa, US
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posted 06 September 2004 07:48 AM
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The balance seemed inconsistent. Bobby Caldwell's volume was above everyone else's sometimes. And the fiddle wasn't up enough on rides. And yes, the vocal mic's needed to be up a little and the delay off of them when used for conversation and presentations. I stood at the sound booth to make sure I was hearing it from their perspective. Maybe the headphone balance is different from the room? Overall it was good. And the tone on all seemed good. Scotty and his family deserve compliments for the work and perfecting the event every year. DD |
Rick Garrett Member From: Tyler, Texas
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posted 06 September 2004 08:15 AM
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Sorry to hear the sound had problems but glad to hear yall had a good time up there. I couldn't go again this year due to work load but I hope to make Dallas in the Spring. Thanks to all the folks who work hard to put on a show like that. Rick |
Theresa Galbraith Member From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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posted 06 September 2004 09:38 AM
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Mike, I really dislike the word SUCKED! I agree with ya, though. |
CrowBear Schmitt Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 06 September 2004 09:58 AM
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i'm w: ya' Theresa, i find the use of that word to be quite vulgar but has unfortunately become so anodyne
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Roger Rettig Member From: NAPLES, FL
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posted 06 September 2004 10:45 AM
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Thank goodness someone else agrees with me - that word is one the most unfortunate and ugly slang words to find general favour in a long time. RR |
Stephen Gregory Member From:
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posted 06 September 2004 01:21 PM
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I agree the sound was very poor in every respect, very dissappointing. |
bruce fischer Member From: florissant, mo. usa
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posted 06 September 2004 02:12 PM
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imho, the sound "sucked", for want of a better word. i sit in the rear left and it was poor through out. but what a wonderful show! even the hotel seemed to have done a 180! to all who performed, " a job well done". bruce fischer------------------ sho-bud super pro II and fender 6 string |
Jim Phelps Member From: Mexico City
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posted 06 September 2004 02:44 PM
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Russ Wever Member From: Roanoke, Virginia
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posted 06 September 2004 08:25 PM
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Jim, Yeah, I met Gonzalo this year, as well as last. He and some of his family made a presentation on stage, as well as he brought me a gift from Mexico and a flyer on you, which I can't read as it is in Spanish! A fine fellow, Gonzalo is. ~Russ[This message was edited by Russ Wever on 07 September 2004 at 06:31 AM.] |
Jim Phelps Member From: Mexico City
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posted 06 September 2004 09:39 PM
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Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA
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posted 07 September 2004 04:31 AM
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Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va.
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posted 07 September 2004 04:58 AM
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I had a great time this year with my new wife and seeing some old friends. About the young blind boy (Jonathan Candler) I was totally impressed with him. I was in the Fulawka room while he was playing one day. He did Stormy Monday and played some hot blues licks. Then he played "Girl from Ipanema" on the E9th neck no less and was very impressive. I'd love to hear him on his own guitar if he plays this good on a strange one. I understand he's only 12 years old. It was great seeing my old friends from the SoCal days, Blackie Taylor and Gene Fields. Ol' Blackie just doesn't ever age at all. He looks just like he did 40 years ago. I enjoyed Sara Jory in the Peavey room for her set especially the slide guitar thing she did on Amazing Grace, WOW, she used the slide from both sides of the neck. One of the players that impressed me the most was Mike Sigler. I'd never heard him before but on the HOF show on Thursday night he played the GFI Student Model guitar that they were raffling off. He played everything they threw at him and did it great. Also he sang "Statue of a Fool". I don't think I've ever heard a steel player that sang that well. This guy's going to be one of the heavies of the steel world if he isn't already. One of my favorite moments was in the Jimmy Crawford/Russ Hicks set when Doug Jernigan was up there with them. Jimmy Crawford said about Doug "When I thing I'm getting really hot on this thing, he comes along and cuts me down to size and prays for me at the same time"!!!! Ol' Jimmy is one cool player. When I got home I took out my old "Ton of Steel" album and played it again. I was dissapointed again that Maurice Anderson didn't get into the HOF but that's another story, and I guess a sore subject with some but I think he should have been one of the first in there. Have a good 'un....JH------------------ Livin' in the Past and the Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning. |
Charles Curtis Member From: Bethesda, Maryland, USA
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posted 07 September 2004 06:34 AM
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It would be great if someone would post more pics of the artists. |
Ron Page Member From: Cincinnati, OH USA
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posted 07 September 2004 06:35 AM
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I just wanted to add my 2 cents to the sound discussion. I think the criticism is a bit out of bounds, choice of words aside. Joan Cox, for one, didn't have any trouble reaching beyond the back row. She put the steel right in our faces there Saturday night with a fine set.I had trouble hearing the audio--not the steel--whenever I was at either SIDE of the room. I notice that down the middle of the room the audio sounding much more crisp and clear. I mentioned this to Bill Furguson on Saturday morning and, although Bill doesn't run the audio, something was changed shortly thereafter that improved the audio to the sides of the room. It's a tough job to satisfy so many sets of ears and so many opinions. I had a great time again this year. ------------------ HagFan |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 07 September 2004 06:56 AM
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I deleted several posts above because members were taking personal shots at each other.Please abide by the Forum Rules or you will loose posting priveledges. |
Jim Phelps Member From: Mexico City
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posted 07 September 2004 10:23 AM
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Brad Sarno Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 07 September 2004 11:26 AM
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Just to comment on the sound. That's a very, very hard room to control. The PA needs to sit low because of back-wall reflection issues. That can sometimes make it loud up front and quiet in back. Many of the comments were about not being able to hear the Steel player speaking, but in my experience, that happens every year. There's an art to speaking into a mic clearly and that's not always a steel player's forte and it's also not always something a soundman can help. I heard Eddie Stubbs very clearly and could almost always hear the steel nice and clear. Voice talent! There were a few players who's steels were a bit hard to hear, but they were incredibly soft on stage so it's a bit tricky to balance the stage and PA in that situation. If you thought Bobby Caldwell was too loud, it's because he plays at a pretty full stage volume. If the steel player is too quiet, it's hard to get them balanced overall. I thought the sound was generally pretty decent, all things considered. Brad Sarno |
Walter Stettner Member From: Vienna, Austria
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posted 07 September 2004 11:50 AM
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No complaints about the sound from my side - I had my usual place right in front of the stage, on the floor (some of my body parts start protesting after a few hours but I don't listen to them )The musical quality was stellar, no matter if you like C-6th jazz playing, E-9th country stuff or non pedal Hawaiian styles, there was a good balance of everything. Of course it was great to meet a lot of forumites in person (Donna, David, Roy, Travis, Brad, Tony and, of course, the "Irish Gang"!), from the posting I also see that I missed a lot of you, well, probably the next time... I too noticed that the crowd seemed to be a bit smaller than in the last years. If that had something to do with Lloyd and Buddy not playing, I simply don't understand that. Keep in mind that we all have to support the community by attending those shows and honoring the people who invest months and months of work to put everything together - without them we would not have the chance of complaining about this and that here because there would not be a show! Thanks to Scotty and the family for putting it all together! Kind Regards, Walter www.lloydgreentribute.com www.austriansteelguitar.at.tf ------------------
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Larry Sasser Member From: Conyers,Ga. USA
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posted 07 September 2004 12:15 PM
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I had a GREAT time at the convention this year. I always enjoy hearing everyone play and most of all I get to visit with old friends. About the new push-pull emmons guitar; Ron found some bodies from the 70's & 80's and a few other parts and made this guitar and MAYBE more to come. I thought it was the real deal. I liked it. It is hard to say who had my favorite set, BUT I will say Buddy Charlton was great! Thanks, Larry |
Mike Brown Member From: Meridian, Mississippi USA
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posted 07 September 2004 01:45 PM
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I would like to provide another viewpoint concerning the "sound" at the convention this past weekend. First of all, I would like to provide a viewpoint from the FOH desk position as I have been in that spot many times at the St. Louis show.For those of you who haven't been to the St. Louis show, the room is of an oval shape with the stage located on one of the long walls. The ceiling is very high as well. I don't know when the hotel was built, but if you have noticed, there is a small array of speakers that are suspended permanently above the stage. This particular array of speakers was most likely placed there when the ballroom was constructed('60ish?). This is a very small speaker array that would in no way be suitable for the steel show as we know it today. But, maybe this array was satisfactory for the acts that may have used this hotel in the early days. Now to my point. When a show with a full backup band with a possibility of up to 8 members is assembled in a large stage area, much power is needed so that all bandmembers can be mixed properly. Case in point, Ron Elliot doesn't play very loud, whereas Herby Wallace and Doug Jernigan play very LOUD onstage. Ron Elliot is easy to mix with a backup band, but when the steel is very loud from the bandstand every other instrument has to increase in volume. Then, you have attendees complaining that the overall volume is too loud! Believe me, because of the seating arrangement this does happen and this is just the tip of the iceburg of some of the problems that arise. When the volume of the steel guitarist is louder than the rest of the band, then you have to turn him/her off completely in the FOH mix and hope that he/she doesn't get any louder. It kills the attendees in the first few rows. Basically, they are uncontrollable from the mixer position. From my perspective, the mix is at its best from the FOH mixer position(and I think that every person would have to agree to this). However, there are times when you have to compensate(volumewise) according to the artist. As you might note in the following posts, some attendees heard the mix fine, while others stated the some of the players onstage don't play as loudly, therefore making it hard for the other bandmembers to hear. If you've ever tried to mix a show where there are twenty or more performers with different preferences in their monitor mix, it can get pretty hairy to say the least. You can experience a bad direct box, microphone, microphone cable, etc. that can cause the performer to not hear the mix that he needs to perform to his/her potential. The bottom line is that, that particular shaped room is a very difficult venue to mix. At the console, the sound was great and that is the position from where the sound is mixed. Mike Brown Peavey Electronics Corporation I think that Brad knows how hard this room is to mix and his opinion is appreciated. [This message was edited by Mike Brown on 07 September 2004 at 01:47 PM.] |
Jim Peters Member From: St. Louis, Missouri, USA
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posted 07 September 2004 01:59 PM
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This was only my 3rd show, I enjoyed every minute. The sound was just OK, there is a really nasty echo in that room that is nobody's fault. I met lotsa forum guys, and thought it cool that R. Beavers played through a NV112 for me! One thought, maybe have an afternoon of the country rock stuff that a lot of us grew up on, NRPS,Poco,etc. Without trying to start the big discussion, maybe an afternoon of B.Cage,R. Young, are others from that generation. Thanks to Scotty's for lettin me be a small part. JimP |
Jim Cohen Member From: Philadelphia, PA
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posted 07 September 2004 02:03 PM
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Mike, what does FOH mean? "Front of Hall"? Naaah... ?? |
Roger Rettig Member From: NAPLES, FL
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posted 07 September 2004 02:29 PM
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'Front of House' is a theatrical term - as old as theatre itself, I believe.You're almost right ! |
Brad Sarno Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 07 September 2004 05:17 PM
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You typically have two mixing boards. The FOH, front-of-house main mixer, and the on-stage monitor mixing board. You'll hear people refer to running front-of-house or running monitors. Brad Sarno
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Bowie Martin Member From: Wilson, NC USA 27896
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posted 07 September 2004 05:34 PM
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Sarah Jory has to be the biggest and best crowd pleaser of the show. She had complete control of the sound, the guitar, a great variety of music, and showmanship (showwomanship)? Who else had people lined up at the booth for 2-2 1/2 hours after each performance? and on top of that two standing ovations...And then Randy Beavers!! Super job, playing, performance. Sometimes the touch has to be passed, and with these two players, it is in good hands.
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Mike Weirauch Member From: Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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posted 07 September 2004 07:07 PM
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Mike, remember how pristine Lloyd Green's sound was last year? Well it would not have been this year. I'm not pointing fingers in any direction but something changed this year and it wasn't for the better. I have never complained of the sound in the past because I could distinguish tone and sound between the different players. I could not this year and I was all over the auditorium with the exception of in front of the stage. |