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Wade Branch
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From: Weatherford, Texas, USA

posted 23 March 2005 04:51 AM     profile     
I am thinking after hearing the SHO BUD's that I would really like to start my pursuit for one.What model or models are the best ? What are the knocks ? if any, on the SHO BUD's.Any info I can get on the SHO BUD's would be a great help.
Bob Carlucci
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From: Candor, New York, USA

posted 23 March 2005 05:28 AM     profile     
Wade,,Personally I like the ProI-ProII.. others would disagree I guess.but these and the older Professional guitars are to me what Sho Bud is all about. Good Topic, I can't wait to see what others think,you may have started a debate! bob
Mark Metdker
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From: North Central Texas, USA

posted 23 March 2005 05:37 AM     profile     
Hey Wade. I had a Lloyd Green model about 10 years ago. That thing sounded great. Wish I still had it.

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Lem Smith
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From: Fulton, MS. U.S.A.

posted 23 March 2005 09:17 AM     profile     
I personally find the early 70's Pro II's to be preferable. You have an undercarriage/changer that's a bit more modern than the Professionals, but still have the bigger cabinets, which adds to the famous Sho~Bud sound.

The later model Pro II's, III's and Super Pro's used an inferior metal underneath and on the changer fingers, IIRC, that was prone to break. However, one of the later models that's been retrofitted with new aluminum is good too.

The "Buds" from the early/mid 60's were a lot harder to maintain than the later models, but some of them sounded absolutely phenomenal, such as the one Lloyd played, Buddy Charleton with ET, etc...

You'll probably wind up with MANY opinions on this though!

Lem

CrowBear Schmitt
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From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

posted 23 March 2005 09:50 AM     profile     
Single neck : # 1 : LDG without a doubt
then, Pro I
Double necks : # 1 : Pro II,
then the Professional & Pro III

anyone of those rehauled or renovated by Duane Marrs or Ricky Davis are today's best Buds

ps: this thread should be in "pedal steel"

[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 23 March 2005 at 09:51 AM.]

Ricky Davis
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From: Spring, Texas USA

posted 23 March 2005 10:21 AM     profile     
I very much agree with Lem.

My favorite is the big body Sho-bud(round front) and with the single raise/single lower infinate barrel tuning system behind two hole pullers on round crossbars. So that's a "Pro~II" or LDG with that mechanism. The next would be the same body; but with double raise/single lower nylon tuning system. Remember not all LDG's are the same and anything after the double raise/single lower LDG; I don't care for. There were many many changes in the mechanisms from year to year. To me; The Real Sho-bud sound is the original big body with the original mechanism/pulling system and re-worked to play perfect> other than that> I'll pass; because the Sho~bud sound is the body and what fingers are in it and how are they pulled by what mechanism.
Ricky

[This message was edited by Ricky Davis on 23 March 2005 at 10:24 AM.]

Larry Robbins
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From: Fort Edward, New York, USA

posted 23 March 2005 01:15 PM     profile     
Sound like our good friend Ricky Davis is describing my 73 PRO II !
Gotta LOVE EM'! Although I am kinda partial to my 79 Pro III as well...
But hands down my Pro II has it beat in the tone dept.!

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[This message was edited by Larry Robbins on 23 March 2005 at 01:18 PM.]

Joe A. Camacho
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From: San Diego, CA

posted 24 March 2005 04:44 PM     profile     
I think that I own what I consider to be my most desirable Sho-Buds. I love the sound of my Professional, but nothing beats the pedal action on my '73 LDG. I just wish I could play them beter...
BobbeSeymour
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From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 24 March 2005 06:26 PM     profile     
My favorite Sho-Buds, the '57 to '63 permanents, I collect them. Magic guitars loaded with soul and reeecking with heritage.
I'll take all I can get! Are they the best guitar in the world? Of course not, but they are my favorites for about everything I love about steel guitar and it's history.
I can see Buddy Charlton, Weldon, Jimmy Crawford, Lloyd G., Pete Drake, Bobby Garritt, Big Ben Keith, Jimmy Day, Don Warden, Shot Jackson, Howard White all playing them now. These guys created steel guitar history on these guitars. My favorite Sho-Buds for sure. I'm still looking for the solid yellow one with the "black widow" spider painted on the front!
bobbe
BobbeSeymour
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From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 24 March 2005 06:36 PM     profile     
You guys know what's interesting in this post? None of the Sho-Buds being mentioned were built or even designed by Shot Jackson. All are David Jackson guitars. The Pro series, the LDGs, Super-Pros, all of them are Music City Mfg. guitars. All from David Jackson. Totally! (David did it all, along with teaching others how to build guitars),
Yes, they are still Sho-Buds, and most are wonderful guitars, BUT, I like the original Shot Jackson guitar to collect and love. And also play at times.
Lem Smith
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From: Fulton, MS. U.S.A.

posted 24 March 2005 10:02 PM     profile     
Bobbe,
I've got an L.D.G. here that I setup for a friend. It's got the changer like an early Pro II, with double raise on some of the strings, and single lower on all.

This guitar has the most incredible sustain I've ever heard on a Sho~Bud! This guitar makes my Pro II sound sick in comparison, and my Pro II sounds pretty darn good on its own!

Anyway, on the bottom it is stamped "BY SHOTJ" in letters a little over 1/2 inch high. Just curious if you had seen any stamped this way before...is this the way Shot actually signed any he personally worked on or anything?

Lem

Kenny Davis
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From: Great State of Oklahoma

posted 25 March 2005 08:58 PM     profile     
I used to have a '73 Pro II...I hope Ricky will let me have it back after he finishes his refurbish job!!!
BobbeSeymour
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From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 25 March 2005 09:04 PM     profile     

Lem, Lem Lem,
No, I think someone just stamped Shot on the guitar hoping to increase the value. Shot never had anything to do with the LDG guitars. This was an "all David design".
The only steel guitars that Shot was involved with were the '57 thru '63 guitars. Shot only did custom work after this. Dobros, flat tops, some lap steels, and just custom jobs.
Harry and David started doing all the expermental and new design work after these first guitars were built, after '63. David doing the lions share after '66.
Harry ended up spliting with David and went back to Shot's store at 416 Broadway, the Sho-Bud retail store. David then started the "Music City Manufacturing Co." on Dickerson Rd., next to "Starday Records".
This is where the "Baldwin Crossover" was designed and manufactured, along with some "fingertip" carry overs. Yes, This is also where Baldwin started getting in to the Sho-Bud business. David Jackson was a very busy boy through these years. A complete history is being done now with help from Leslie Elliott, the Jackson family and myself,

bobbe

BobbeSeymour
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From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 25 March 2005 09:29 PM     profile     
Any Sho-Bud guitars that I have in my collection have to be 100% original, not restorations, or any "Modified by" guitars.
To me, they aren't real pure Sho-Buds any longer if they are rebuilt by, or restored by, or modified by, guitars. I have only 100% original Sho-Bud guitars in my 100% original collection. Dings, scratches, finger prints? Fine, I want no reproductions. This is just me and the way I feel about my own personal collection.
Sometimes, these so called restorations, end up with less than half of the parts that came from the factory with the guitar when it was new. So you have less than half a Sho-Bud when you get your "restored Sho-Bud" back. Some so called "Restorers" change and modify the guitars so extensively that only the wood and endcastings are left. These aren't pure Sho-Buds anymore. What's left is a hot rod.
The future values will not be what an original guitar will be worth in the future. Most of these, if not all of these "Hot-Rod" Sho-Buds don't work as well as the originals, and none ever sound as good.
My opinion is, Get a great original Sho-Bud, clean it up, adjust it perfectly, only replace the worn parts, and keep the great playing, sounding, looking, pure Sho-Bud original and enjoy it knowing you have a pure, real and wonderful steel guitar that will always be going up in value.
A pure Sho-Bud is a great playing, sounding and beautiful thing. This is the way I prefer them. And always will.
Bobbe
Eric West
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From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 25 March 2005 11:39 PM     profile     
Wade. I think my answer to your question would be a ProIII in good shape. The changers and pull mechs had been redesigned again and again improving them each time, arguably.

The "poor metal" in the changers, or other glitches and parts that need tightening once in a while, ( the bell crank set screws) in my case lasted 26 hard played gigging, and misuse beyond imagination. It took twenty years to put grooves in the cheap chromes changer fingers on mine, and will take an afternoon to change them out.

My suggestion among them is the run with wide pedals.

After the PIII run they started trying to make them like Emmonses. If you want an Emmons, get an Emmons. They're fine guitars too.

I like my Marrs Retrofit of a Professional, and it plays and sounds good to me, but I think what you are asking is a suggestion for one you can buy in one piece, within a year, fix a little if you have to, and play as long and hard as you like.

Again, I suggest a wide pedal ProIII custom. There have been several on the market for under 2 grand in the last couple yers. Make sure the aprons aren't split in front.

As easy to play, fix, clean, and upgrade a guitar as you're going to find.

After thousands of gigs on mine, it needs about a hundred bucks worth of parts, some cleaning and lube, some varathane, to be ready for a couple thousand more, God willing.

Anybody that tells you they don't sound like a real Sho~Bud is entitled to their opinon, but they're full of shi# as far as I'm concerned,bless their hearts..

( Just kidding.. )

EJL

[This message was edited by Eric West on 25 March 2005 at 11:42 PM.]

BobbeSeymour
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From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 26 March 2005 07:07 AM     profile     
I agree with Eric, The Pro III is anout as good as it gets in the Sho-Bud line,
Eric West
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From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 26 March 2005 10:30 AM     profile     
Bobbe. Haven't had a lot of time lately, and am heading out for a mid state gig today, but I keep drifting back there in what's left of my mind. Say hi to Debarella et al for me.

I was wondering..

Some years ago, about 12, I happened on a "fingertip" model at a local PSG get together. It was represented as a "repop", and looked "brand new". Of course with only one knee lever and the no moving fingers, I wasn't interested, but the guy (who still has it) only paid 600 for it. It's got the 'draw handle', on it, and the tagboard case. Also it is blonde with semicircular HCDS on the front.

Were there any of those made in the 70s in a "repop" thing?

I owe this guy a call anyhow amd can ask him questions about it.

EJL

Damir Besic
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From: La Vergne,TN

posted 26 March 2005 02:31 PM     profile     

retrofit,?? hot rod?? if I saw anyone coming even close to this guitar with even a screwdriver in his hand I would have kicked some a$$

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BobbeSeymour
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From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 26 March 2005 07:09 PM     profile     
Eric,
There is the possibility that in the very early seventies that Harry Jackson may have built a custom order fingertip Sho-Bud for someone. I have seen Harry do some nice custom Sho-Bud work. Harry was Shot's first son, David was younger, there were more children but not in the business. Shot was married more than once, interesting stories here also, he was a "go getter".
Have a good trip Eric, you are a great friend, great person and player. You made many friends while you were here in Nashville.

bobbe

BobbeSeymour
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From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 26 March 2005 07:10 PM     profile     
Damir, I agree!
Gary Preston
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From: Columbus, Ohio, USA

posted 26 March 2005 07:52 PM     profile     
Guys i have my Sho-Bud Pro-ll Custom that i bought new in 1977 and it's the greatest guitar that i have ever played . Stays in tune as good as any other guitar that i have ever seen . Sounds great and plays so easy . I have never had a bunch of trouble as i'm hearing on some of these post . Mine is the triple raise and double lower style that i think David Jackson built . Bobbe Seymour would know more about that than i would . Anyway this is one sweet Bud . Gary .

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