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Topic: Use of Verticle Knee Lever on the B's
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Shaun Marshall
Member From: San Rafael, CA USA
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posted 05 January 2006 04:15 PM
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I use this lever for when the chord goes from the 4 chord to the 5 chord and it sounds so cool but what else is a popular move on this Lever ? If I'm gonna cook my hip joint I want to do it for something that sounds really sweet !Happy New Year to all !
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Shaun Marshall
Emmons Legrande D-10
1950's Fender Champion S-6, Regal Dobro |
Tony Prior
Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 05 January 2006 05:02 PM
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try this ta' get you movin' down a new road..pick 4,5,6 3rd fret.. all in a single picking motion with sustain.. 5 steps of sustain... 4,5,6 with A Pedal (PICK all three together)
release A Pedal
engage the verticle lever
release the verticle lever
Press the A pedal now resolve at the 5th fret D chord AB Pedals strings 10,8 and 6... great little turn around to the D resolve... Em , pass thru A7 resolve to D... theres millions of things like this..moving the B string.. well maybe not millions, thats an exageration I think... [This message was edited by Tony Prior on 05 January 2006 at 05:14 PM.]
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Jack Stoner
Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 06 January 2006 03:15 AM
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If you have the split with the A pedal (and you should), with AB down, push up on the B lower knee lever and you will go from a major to minor chord. |
Shaun Marshall
Member From: San Rafael, CA USA
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posted 06 January 2006 08:24 AM
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Thanks for the tips, is it ok with you guys if I leave work early today to try these new moves..... Cheers !------------------
Shaun Marshall
Emmons Legrande D-10
1950's Fender Champion S-6, Regal Dobro |
Tim Lane
Member From: Garfield, Arkansas, USA
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posted 06 January 2006 08:34 AM
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Hey guys, when I use the vertical for the major to minor, I can't seem to tune the 10 string low enough with the LKV engaged. At some point it changes the whole tuning for the string. So when I disengage the LKV the string is flat. It only starts going flat just above the point where I get the string tuned while the lever is engaged. Currently I have the leave the string sharp engaged so the string is in tune open. I hope I explained this right. Help!------------------
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John Poston
Member From: Albuquerque, NM, USA
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posted 06 January 2006 11:52 AM
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Tim,Assuming you're not talking about any split tuners, it just sounds like there is not enough travel to accomplish the lower. You should try either moving the rod at the bellcrank further away from the crossbar so that it moves farther when you engage the lever. Or, move it on the changer to a hole closer to the pivot point so it has move leverage to move the string.[This message was edited by John Poston on 06 January 2006 at 11:55 AM.] |
Tony Prior
Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 06 January 2006 12:15 PM
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or perhaps if you have made no changes to the Steel and all of a sudden things are wacky..
back the split compensator out 3 or 4 turns..Back out the changer tuners as well..Start over, 1 at a time. I suspect the split compensator may be over adjusted.. this stuff can drive ya nuts for sure..[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 06 January 2006 at 12:16 PM.] |
Larry Strawn
Member From: Golden Valley, Arizona, USA
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posted 06 January 2006 05:29 PM
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Had that LKV [b lowers] added to my Emmons a few months back, had it on my last guitar but didn't use it much, now I just keep finding really cool things to do with it now!!
Some times I get some dirty looks from the rest of the band,[some things must not be all that cool] but I keep searching and trying. lol..
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Tim Lane
Member From: Garfield, Arkansas, USA
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posted 06 January 2006 07:28 PM
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Aha, I moved it a hole over and it fixed it. Thought I'd tried that before but I guess not.Thanks guys! |
Gary Shepherd
Member From: Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 06 January 2006 08:30 PM
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Play a I chord in no pedal position.
Slide up 2 frets to get a II chord.
Slide that back down 2 frets and push the X lever to get a 9th sounding II chord.
Then on to the B pedal with the D lever for a V7 chord.I also like to use the A pedal and X lever to get the notes 7 1 and 2 for a scale lick. Plenty more uses but I need to sit down at my guitar to think clearly about what to do. ------------------
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Charles Turpin
Member From: Mexico, Missouri, USA
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posted 07 January 2006 08:30 AM
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I like to use the X lever in a lot of ways. Besides using it as a ninth chord two frets back. by using the combination of strings 1 ,2 and 5 at the first fret you are playing a C chord. Then when you hit the X knee lever that gives you a Eminor or a Cmajor 7th chord then coming on down you can use strings 1,2 and 6, by using the B pedal that raises the 6th string a half a tone will give you a Cdominate7th then realeasing the B pedals will take you right on down giving you a C6th or an Aminor chord all right there on the first fret. That is just one of the things i do with the X knee without using the split tuner. ------------------
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Shaun Marshall
Member From: San Rafael, CA USA
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posted 09 January 2006 08:15 AM
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Thanks for all the new moves, I was using the 2 fretts back for the the 4chord to the 5chord change but It's cool with going up to the 2chord change as well. Tony I like the change you mapped out for me using the A pedal release and in and out with the verticle, and the minor chord with A and B is great ! Good pick'n to all ! ------------------
Shaun Marshall
Emmons Legrande D-10
1950's Fender Champion S-6, Regal Dobro |
CHIP FOSSA
Member From: Monson, MA 01057 U.S.A.
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posted 09 January 2006 09:49 AM
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A & B pedals down. Vertical lever engaged.
E-D# engaged = Dim7.I play U-12, so I don't have to worry about
9th string {D}. You can play pretty much all strings up to and including the 4th.[This message was edited by CHIP FOSSA on 09 January 2006 at 09:50 AM.] [This message was edited by CHIP FOSSA on 09 January 2006 at 09:51 AM.] |
Tony Prior
Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 09 January 2006 09:53 AM
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thats one of many that I now use..I don't look for chords at all..
they arrive sort of as an after thought.. I am seeking phrasing that comes out of changing scale notes... more later, I'll post a few , but too much goin on this part of the week |
Paddy Long
Member From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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posted 10 January 2006 03:30 PM
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There's also some cool stuff using strings 5 and 8 ...so in combinations with the A pedal and the F lever (raising E's to F) you can zip in and out with the B lower vertical to find some nice Paul Franklin type licks !!
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David L. Donald
Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 10 January 2006 10:01 PM
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I use it with AB for minor
and with the G lower lever to get a Minor 7 b5
It completes my cycle of chord / parallel passing tones logic possibilities. |
John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 10 January 2006 10:10 PM
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If you pick strings 8, 6 & 5 at the 8th. fret (C-Chord) then slide back to the 6th. fret and engage the (B-Lower KL) and then while holding that, pick string 2, you'll have a C13th, to lead you back into an (F)-Chord, by releasing everything and engaging the (E-Lower KL), if you're playing in the Key of F. Or something like that! I use it often. It's an emulation of the Byrd C-Diatonic sound!
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“Big John” Bechtel
’05 D–10 Derby – (6 & 8)
’65 Re-Issue Fender Twin–Reverb Custom™ 15”
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Mike Perlowin
Member From: Los Angeles CA
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posted 10 January 2006 11:10 PM
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I use that change in varius settings all the time. I have it on a wrist lever si I can access it no matter what my feet are doing.I suggest that a better use for the vertical is F# to G (natural, not #) and that the B string lowers be placed on a different knee lever, and not on the same knee as E to Eb. |
Bengt Erlandsen
Member From: Brekstad, NORWAY
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posted 11 January 2006 03:03 AM
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This will take you from a I to a I7 to IV9(no root)A to A7 to D9
At 5th fret
Play strings 5 4 3(no peds/levers)
Slide up, raise E's to F and visit frets 6, 7 and 8 (A7)
At 8th fret release E's to F and lower B-Bb (D9)
One only needs to play the strings once and let the sliding/levers do the rest. Bengt Erik |
Shaun Marshall
Member From: San Rafael, CA USA
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posted 13 January 2006 08:14 AM
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John and Bengt, thanks I'm loving both of these uses you mention. The slide back to the 6th from 8th with the 2nd string is EPIC !Thanks again for sharing can hardly wait to launch these at rehersal tonight ! ------------------
Shaun Marshall
Emmons Legrande D-10
1950's Fender Champion S-6, Regal Dobro |
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