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Author | Topic: The Big E and Danny Gatton |
Tab Tabscott Member Posts: 146 |
![]() ![]() I was lucky enough to come across a cd compilation of the greatest unknown guitarist to ever live, and lo and behold I find that he the Big E were apparently pretty close... I haven't been paying much attention lately, so if this is a dead horse, please just brush me under the carpet... There are a couple of classic medley arrangements that I always thought were solely Buddy's...but I heard a couple of things on Gatton's album that are pretty much identical arrangements to some tunes that were on Buddy's "Steel Guitar" album... Did Buddy and Danny conspire? Buddy? ------------------ |
louie hallford Member Posts: 812 |
![]() ![]() Tab you must have found Danny Gatton's REDNECK JAZZ which includes 3 or 4 cuts with Emmons on steel. I was driving through Austin about 3 years ago. A night time DJ was finishing up his shift with a cut of that album.I called the station and got the album information and purchased it. You are so right..it is good to hear two super players letting it all hang out as Big E and Danny do on that album. Seems to me I heard on the news in recent years that Gatton was deceased possibly have taken his own life.If I am incorrect on this please charge it to my aging memory. I ask Buddy about Gatton when at St Louis one year,as you can guess Buddy holds Danny in high esteem. [This message was edited by louie hallford on 06 January 2000 at 02:57 PM.] [This message was edited by louie hallford on 06 January 2000 at 04:17 PM.] |
Joe Fortune Member Posts: 135 |
![]() ![]() Any info as to how to get the Redneck Jazz cd? What label, when it was made, etc. Anything to locate it would help. Thanks. |
Joe Herchel unregistered Posts: 135 |
![]() Here ya go... Red Neck Jazz It gives Buddy credit for three tracks. I a big fan of the late Mr. G. (I've been a Tele player for 25 odd years.) Danny even played some steel on this record. j0e [This message was edited by Joe Herchel on 06 January 2000 at 03:23 PM.] |
John Gretzinger Member Posts: 392 |
![]() ![]() I found this information on at CDNOW.com Track Listing NOTES Date: Dec 6, 1995 REVIEWS Music Wire Danny Gatton is considered one of the most underrated guitarists of all time. A polymath in the tradition of players like Lenny Breau and George Barnes , not to mention Stevie Ray Vaughan and Hendrix , Gatton had chops to spare, a stubborn inventiveness, and the ability to astound every few bars. The oft-repeated "best guitarist you've never heard" is an appropriate moniker. An earlier album titled Redneck Jazz was a vocal album by his own Danny Gatton Band. This quartet merely adopted the name Redneck This rare live recording occurred on December 31, 1978, just as the bell tolled for the close of the first guitar-god era. Punk had But down at the Crescent Club in Washington, D.C., the New Wave was but a ripple in a puddle. The album is a riff fest, full of scorching and simmering work from both Gatton and Emmons. Gatton is a serviceable jazz player, and never sounds like he's faking it, but the real attraction comes when the "Redneck" in the band starts to glow. Western swing licks -- often referred to as "hot guitar" -- leap like arcing sparks from the strings of both Gatton and especially Emmons. Gatton and Emmons met in a chance paring on the recording of "Rock Candy," a tune first recorded by jazz organist Jack McDuff with a young George Benson . Emmons and Gatton do McDuff justice. -- so fluid is their full-throttle playing that you'll be checking the liner notes for the name of the hyper organist. The band's tendency to develop arrangements on the fly results in some clumsy tempo shifts, and the drumming of Scott Taylor is No matter; Gatton and Emmons rule this roost. When they trade fours on the opening "Opus de Funk," the pair pick up and complete each other's ideas such that only the difference in timbre between the pedal steel and the guitar keeps one from assuming that one energetic, inventive guitarist is at work. The inclusion of some unlikely material -- where else will you find a set list that includes Neil Hefti's "Little Darlin'," Chuck Mangione 's "Land of Make Believe," Leonard Cohen 's "Famous Blue Raincoat," and Rimsky/Korsakov's "Song of India" (!!!) -- is an indication of the refreshing lack of pretension in this gathering. <<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The album sells from CDNOW for $12.99 ------------------ |
John Gretzinger Member Posts: 392 |
![]() ![]() There are apparently two albums.. one is Redneck Jazz and the other Redneck Jazz Explosion. Both available from various on-line stores. ------------------ |
Joe Herchel unregistered Posts: 392 |
![]() Sorry if I'm drifting off topic but I can't resist... There are excellent photos and descriptions of Danny's guitars They take a while to load but are worth it. Sorry, no Steels. j0e |
Craig Stock Member Posts: 557 |
![]() ![]() I have both CD's and would recommend Redneck Jazz Explosion since Buddy plays on the whole Disc. It is fabulous, and the sound quality is great. It's funny that this topic came up today since I was playing the disc this early evening in the garage. And yes, Danny did take his own life a few years back. I'm happy to be able to have seen him a year prior to that. He opened for John Mayall at the Bottom Line in NYC. It opened my eyes and I went out and bought everything available. His wife has been releasing a lot of his early work. Check out the albums Portrait, Relentless with B3 player Joey DeFrancesco and New York Stories. ------------------ |
Dave Van Allen Member Posts: 5369 |
![]() ![]() I grew up musically in DC in the shadow of the 600 LB Musical Gorilla that was Danny Gatton. I do not think there was an instrumentalist in our area who was not profoundly influenced by Danny- certainly every guitarist I worked with in the honky tonks, and any picker with "ears" I would go to local clubs and sit down front with all the Tele pickers and let our jaws hang loose in stunned amazement for several years before the Redneck Jazz Explosion... I got to see/hear the Redneck Jazz Explosion with Emmons at DC's Cellar Door back in the late 70's...a lifetime highlight of my concert attendances! I knew him peripherally from mutual picking partners... I was fortunate enough to play once on the same stage as Danny at the same time (I can never quite say I played with him! I guess it's a hero worship thing...)about a year before his suicide. It was a dream gig put together by drummer Brooks Tiegler (a Krupa fanatic) with Rick Whitehead (great Jazzer from the Airmen of Note AirForce Big Band), Pete Kennedy (FOlk/ROck Strat picker), and Gatton on guitars, John Previti (Gatton's bassist at the time) Brooks on drums and me. Brooks had hired John for the gig and Danny came along for the ride. We set up on a beautiful summer evening on the flatbed of a municipal truck in a small town overlooking the Blue Ridge mountains, playing a Free concert in the Park for an audience of about 60 people max. It was an off the top of our heads, each picker chose a tune and we had a set kind of affair. Trading solos with Danny on "Last Date" was Heaven. I played my little statement, then got to sit back and hear "how it spoze be played" Damn I miss him. |
Donny Hinson Member Posts: 9192 |
![]() ![]() I don't think Danny was unknown, as much as he was ignored by so many people. Any guitar player (that was any good) who saw Danny, was never at a loss for superlatives..."awesome", "incredible", "ungodly", ect.. Danny could do it all, without a doubt. But he wasn't "weird", "different", or "radical enough" to get the young peoples' attention. And after a time, I think Danny was dissapointed that many people (stupidly) picked someone else who was far inferior to him for an "idol". The man deserved a lot better, in my opinion. |
John Steele Member Posts: 2469 |
![]() ![]() A couple of weeks ago, I was subbing with a blues band led by a hot young guitarist named Trevor Findlay. He announced the next tune would be in memory of one of his heroes, Danny Gatton. During the break I mentioned the Emmons/Gatton music, which I assumed he had heard. He hadn't, so I lent him a tape. And now we have a new fan of the Pedal Steel Guitar.... -John |
Craig Stock Member Posts: 557 |
![]() ![]() One reason that I was told of Danny not breaking into the 'bigtime' was that he didn't want to move to NYC or LA where alot of recording was done. ------------------ |
Jay Jessup Member Posts: 345 |
![]() ![]() Since this thread has drifted to talking about Gatton I think I should mention that he could and did play pedal steel. The first time I saw him after I moved to DC around 77 was at some dive with the "Fat Boys" (his trio at the time) and he had an Emmons set up and every once in a while would sit down for a few verses and chorus' of a tune. He used his flatpick and fingers and played a little distorted but played some cool stuff as I remember, sort of in the style of his guitar playing. Hey Dave, I think the NSB was playing across the street from the Cellar Door the night Emmons was there, did you come over and see us on the breaks? |
Dan Tyack Member Posts: 3552 |
![]() ![]() I have played with several folks who worked with Danny in the 70s in DC, and even had the opportunity to jam with Danny in the late 70s (Bobby Black, Danny, and myself, plus a rhythm section, what a trip!). Danny was such an incredible talent, and so multi-faceted. He was a master at bluegrass, blues, jazz, rockabilly, rock and roll, country, western swing. Which was an issue in terms of his career (my friends would talk about Danny showing up to a country gig, bringing out his b(*&^ and wanting to play bluegrass all night, or to a bluegrass gig, bringing out his jazz guitar and wanting to play bebop). CLearly he was one of those very creative artist who was driven by inner demons that in the end claimed his life. That live Redneck Jazz Explosion CD is a great tribute to his talent, and also his love for the steel guitar (and respect for his favorite steel player, Buddy Emmons). ------------------ |
RickRichtmyer Member Posts: 2522 |
![]() ![]() Like Dave Van Allen, I was one of the fortunate few that was at the Cellar Door when Emmons & Gatton played. I don't know what the "Crescent Club" mentioned above was. I know that there was a recording made at the Cellar Door. Jay, I didn't recall that the North Star Band was playing across the street that night, but as I'm sure you recall that once they packed the folks into the Cellar Door (and paid off the fire marshall), you were pretty much committed to stay on one spot for the remainder of the show. But, I will add that I certainly did enjoy seeing the North Star Band on a lot of other occasions and I enjoyed Jay's great picking. Good to see you here, Jay. Linda Owens says "Hi" too. ------------------ |
Jay Jessup Member Posts: 345 |
![]() ![]() Thanks Rick, For those intersted getting these albums along with more info about Danny, there is a website at www.bandpages.com/gatton that is sponsored by his Mom, Norma (Hence NRG records) I seem to remember also that the proceeds from these sales go to the benifit of Danny's daughter. [This message was edited by Jay Jessup on 07 January 2000 at 11:07 AM.] |
Dave Van Allen Member Posts: 5369 |
![]() ![]() quote: on one very small spot! Jay- not that night but several others; Remember when Desperadoe's was the Apple Pie? |
Ernie Renn Member Posts: 2657 |
![]() ![]() Hey you guys that saw Buddy and Danny together: Got any pictures? I'd like to add them to the website. The only one I can find is this: ![]() I play steel and guitar. I've got two Fender Gatton Signature model guitars. The first one Danny set up for me after a show in Minneapolis in '92. Here's a link to my equipment page. The guitars are pictured there. I miss him, too! ------------------ |
Rich Paton Member Posts: 686 |
![]() ![]() "But he wasn't "weird", "different", or "radical enough" to get the young peoples' attention. And after a time, I think Danny was dissapointed that" > Probably 'cause he was spared the ignomanity of overexposure on MTV. Wasn't there controversy regarding the "suicide"? That word gets a workout whenever the authorities don't have another convenient explanation. I missed [BOO!] a Gatton/Hellecasters concert near here. Can you imagine? Only way to top that would be to get Hank Garland, Roy Lanham, & Jimmy Bryant together on the stage again! The "Cruisin' Deuces" CD with "Harlem Nocturne" was radical. Listening to albums such as that can leave me exhausted. |
Jerry Hayes Member Posts: 3306 |
![]() ![]() I've got a video tape of an old Austin City Limits show which starred Roger Miller when Danny was playing guitar for him. He could really do some steel parts on guitar. Also on Danny's album "88 Elmira Street" he does some great lap steel on the old Beachboys song "In My Room". I'd never thought of this song for steel before but it's a good one! I also have another tape of American Music Shop with Vince Gill as host where he featured his guitar heroes Albert Lee and Danny Gatton. Talk about some picking! If you can score a copy of this one it'll knock you out! ------------------ |
Joe Herchel unregistered Posts: 3306 |
![]() Danny also did a later ACL that featured him and his band. The 88 Elmira Street album had just been released. It's a great 30 min set of songs from that album. No PSG or Lap Steel though. |
Craig Stock Member Posts: 557 |
![]() ![]() Check out the song 'Tragedy'on the Crusin' Deuces album. One of my favs. ------------------ |
Dan unregistered Posts: 557 |
![]() Gentlemen, Iīm almost affraid to post on this one, cause I can foresee the answers:"you understand nothing", "who does this guy think he is" etc. I swear: thereīs no BE bigger fan than I am. I never thought BE would ever deliver a bad album - but this was the case of Danny Gaton+BE album. Sorry mr Emmons (if you ever read this). Even copying this album on a casette was too pity for the casette. Everything what BE usually is: genial playing, monster sound, fine taste, 100% intonation and bar placement - everything was missing on this record. And the band, oh God - did you catch that moment when the drummer missed the ending? - was what we here in Germany usually call "a telephone band". Even worse than the Hoganīs Heroes. This showes to me that even kings have their bad moments. Once again, this is the very sole BEīs bad moment that Iīve ever known. Sorry for this heretic opinion. Regards Dan |
Kyd Brenner Member Posts: 9 |
![]() ![]() You guys are bringing back memories! Was also there at Cellar Door for one night of the redneck jazz show - my only time meeting the big e. Followed Gatton around from the Psychedelly days with the Fat Boys and was always in awe, and always wanted a magic dingus box. Such a tradgedy to loose him, but he left lots of good licks behind. Lots of memories of Desparado's, ne Apple Pie and the other joints on M Street etc. Anybody remember who the other band that did a wireless duet with the Nighthawks in the middle of M Street (one band at Cellar Door, one at Desparado's one new year's eve) And who remember's Rocky Racoon's! |
Bob Hoffnar Member Posts: 4278 |
![]() ![]() I got a couple Danny gatton stories: When I was 14 in Silver Springs Md I had my very first recording session (as a bass player) in a real studio. Danny Gatton was just finishing up a session as a steel player. He was a god to us goofy longhaired teenagers. He said "Betcha didn't know I was a steel player too. Check this out, I can make this damn thing sound like a sitar !" Then he played some crazy indian sounding thing. My best friend went over to his house for a guitar lesson after that and said that Danny spent most of the day talking about old chevys. He gave him a full tape of licks and said "My advice to you is to learn all these licks and play everything as fast as possible all the time." Bob [This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 08 January 2000 at 12:15 PM.] |
Tab Tabscott Member Posts: 146 |
![]() ![]() Wow! You guys are the greatest! Thanks so much! I really appreciate the info. ------------------ |
Peter Dollard Member Posts: 705 |
![]() ![]() I have a video tape of Gatton playing Orange Blossom Special with Roger Miller; he leves Roger in his wake after the first fiddle break....Pete |
scott murray Member Posts: 751 |
![]() ![]() In answer to the original question regarding the "Linus & Lucy" medley... I asked that same question months ago after hearing Danny's version of it on the 'Portraits' collection on CD. I had always assumed it was Buddy's creation. Buddy answered that he actually got the thing from Danny. I believe Gatton's version includes a couple more tunes than Buddy's too. And Dan... I'm amazed at your criticism of the 'Redneck Jazz Explosion' album. It is definitely one of my absolute favorites! Anyone I play it for is blown away as well. In regard to the suicide questions, I think it was Roy Buchanan's death that was more of a mystery as it occured in a jail cell. I so wish that we still had the two greats I've just mentioned, as well as my other Tele heroes, Clarence White and Don Rich, among others. ------------------ [This message was edited by scott murray on 10 January 2000 at 02:37 PM.] [This message was edited by scott murray on 06 January 2000 at 07:41 PM.] |
Dan unregistered Posts: 751 |
![]() Scott, I felt I should post it after seeing 20 posts expressing a different point of wiew as mine ![]() Once again: Iīm convinced thereīs no bigger fan of Buddy Emmons than I am. Iīd give anything to be a fly in the room where heīs practicing. When heīll be gone ( may God delay that moment as long as possible ), the void will not be filled up, like the void Horowits or Menuhin leaved canīt be filled up. Heīs simply one of the 10 non-replaceable individues on this Earth. I know he has a big heart, I know heīs glad to play with every sucker in the world and just smile and encourage people. But I still say: It would be nice if every sucker in this world would NOT take advantage of that, cause this means really disrespecting the man. Have you seen that video tape where the Hoganīs Heroes guys canīt start decently "Bottle Baby Boogie" even after the third attempt, and BE is just smiling and encouraging them? I wouldnīt like to know what he really thought in those moments. This, to me, seemed the case when I heard the Gatton/BE cd. Of course, if you like it, I respect your opinion and please donīt take my post too hard. Itīs my opinion. Regards Dan |
Peter Dollard Member Posts: 705 |
![]() ![]() Part of this thread seems to deal with the idea that somehow our heroes are gods as well as musicians. Surely everyone has seen their favorite actor in a picture that they did not care for or has heard a singer render a melody in a way that they didn't like. Why should a steel player be any different? Considering that Buddy's contributions to the instrument far outweigh any single performance that we may or may not care for it seems silly to pick apart one performance to say: "See he is human after all". It is quixotic to say the least. [This message was edited by Peter Dollard on 12 January 2000 at 09:05 AM.] |
Dan unregistered Posts: 705 |
![]() I agree with you, Peter...but I canīt help - for me, BE is God. Maybe he didnīt care about that particular CD - but you see 20 posts here saying he cared, and he cared very much :-) Anyway, you see Iīm in minority. If we all would have the same opinion about everything, the life would be boring, right? Regards Dan |
Mike Black Member Posts: 528 |
![]() ![]() Hey Tabs, How long before we hear you rippin off those licks on your Steel? You know the one, with them things on the floor. What d'ya call 'em puddles? There's a DG web site. Though I haven't been there in a long time. A tragic loss to the music world. |
Peter Dollard Member Posts: 705 |
![]() ![]() You certainly can debate the merits of a performer's recorded career;it seems sad to add the burdensome perfection associated with a deity. This business does bring to mind the problem all creative artists have to one degree or another. Sir Laurence Olivier had given a magnificient stage performance one night; thunderous ovations followed but when a friend came back stage to congratulate him he found Olivier crying in his dressing room. The friend asked what was the matter. Olivier replied "I don't know how I did it". |
Bruce Bouton Member Posts: 324 |
![]() ![]() Many years ago I used to live in the "Haycock Hilton " with Danny's drummer , Dave Elliot. A few years later I got to do a number of VFW gigs with Danny. It was after one of these gigs that Danny and I went over to the Hunters Lodge for one of their legendary after hours jam sessions. It was the first time some of these players had met Danny.They decided to test his ability with the "orange Blossom Special.'Danny plugged into some guys homade preamp then into the house Twin Reverb and away they went.Roy Justice ,the fiddle player and club owner signaled the drummer to speed it up .It didn't faze Danny at all. He played it real clean and real cool. The fiddler kept speeding it up until until the only person who could still play it was Danny. There were twenty pickers with their jaws on the floor when suddenly there was a loud boom.The music stopped and there was Danny holding his telecaster while flames poured out of the top of that twin reverb. He definately burned the house down that night!
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Dan unregistered Posts: 324 |
![]() Bruce, I never made a secret about my status: Iīm not a picker at all. Neither good, neither bad. I love pedal steel and I love country music. Believe me please, I have my very deep reasons to love them, and it might be my reasons are deeper than yours. One doesnīt have to be a picker to see Buddy Emmons repetatedly stoping the tragedy and the guys around not beeing able to start corectly the song not even after the third show. If you want a copy from the videotape I have, Iīll gladly send you a copy. I respect Buddy Emmons more than I respect any one else. Thatīs why it hurts me when I see those guys willing to play along with him, but not beeing able. To me, this is disrespect. If one plays bad next to Buddy Emmons, not only heīll cover himself with sh*t, but unfortunately the sh*t will spread on Buddy Emmons as well. I think Buddy Emmons deserves such musicians around, that give him a few moments of inspiration as well, and not such musicians which only take inspiration for him and donīt give nothing in return, but even destroy his inspiration. Because the topic was Gatton/BE cd, Iīd add the followings: playing with Hoganīs Heroes, mr Emmons still plays wonderful, no matter whatīs happening around. On the Gatton/ BE cd, he really gave up. Something annoyed him in such degree, that he gave up the sound, gave up the vibrato, the intonation, the music, everything. Donīt ask me how I know it. I simply know it, cause I know mr Emmons, and the music school and the music academy teached me enough to know it. If you donīt hear it, who am I to tell you what to hear and how to hear. Most of you seem to follow this path: Does a CD have steel guitar? Oh, more than that, whoīs the steeler: Buddy Emmons? If yes, then itīs a good CD. It would be easy and confortable for me to follow the same path. I can do it whenever you want. But I think this wonīt help anyone. The truth is: the Gatton/BE CD is the worst CD Buddy Emmons ever made. The truth is: Hoganīs Heroes might be nice guys to drink a beer with. But drinking a beer wonīt teach Hogan the fact that someone invented a nice thing called vibrato, and wonīt teach the other guys basic things that each average gipsy kid in Romania already knows. I had at least two hundred musicians seeing that video tape in my house, and all 200 had the same sad grin and asked me "must it all be?" If this doesnīt say enough, then I have nothing more to say. Now kill me if you like. Bruce, I swear Iīm not your enemy. I swear weīre on the same side, even if i talk bad about Denny Gatton. Someone has to do it, if no one else does it. Regards Dan |
scott murray Member Posts: 751 |
![]() ![]() quote: "On the Gatton/ BE cd, he really gave up. Something annoyed him in such degree, that he gave up the sound, gave up the vibrato, the intonation, the music, everything. Donīt ask me how I know it. I simply know it..." "The truth is: the Gatton/BE CD is the worst CD Buddy Emmons ever made."
Buddy has called his experience with Danny one of the most exciting and fulfilling times in his life. He said that Danny really pushed him to play harder, and they helped eachother strive to get the most out of the music. If Danny's solo on "Little Darlin" doesn't impress you (never mind Buddy's), then I just don't know what to say. If you can't hear the fun and sense of humor exchanged in their trading fours at the end of "Opus De Funk" and "Rock Candy", then I guess you just don't get it. Every track is more than worthy of mention. These two giants were having an in-depth, spontaneous musical conversation, fluent and exuberant, preserved for all of us to hear! History was made. Don't ask me how I know it. I simply know it. If you don't like it, fine... but must you trash it? [This message was edited by scott murray on 13 January 2000 at 07:41 AM.] |
Tab Tabscott Member Posts: 146 |
![]() ![]() Ok, I ordered Redneck Jazz explosion off Amazon.com. I really enjoy it, and I thank each and every one of you for your input. It's wonderful to be part of such a exchange of ideas. Now that the topic has run it's course, let's put a lid on it. Everybody has their opinion, and that and two bucks will buy you a nice cup of coffee downtown... :-) People HAVE to criticize stuff, it's how they show everybody else that they think they know something about something...in the end, the only aim should be happiness, if you don't have that, you don't have anything. How about closing this one down? ------------------ |
Peter Dollard Member Posts: 705 |
![]() ![]() I think it is sad when one finds a piece of ones heroes work and then fixates on it to the point of obsession: Does any one really care that a band blew the intro on a certain song three times in a row? Does any one care that Lloyd Green did 23 takes to nail his solo in Rocky Top with Lynn Anderson. I'm sure Buddy has long since put aside this and a thousand other transgressions that have insulted his musical integrity. Thats what makes him great. On the other hand you stand in your pulpit saying this really happened don't you want to see it, hear it, and talk about it. Who cares?. On public television some years ago Lloyd Green threw up his hands and quit playing during his solo in Ricky Scaggs "Country Boy." I was so impressed that someone was finally honest enough to say I am having trouble and I am not going to ruin a solo...Does this lower my opinion of Lloyd? No! It makes me want to buy everything he ever recorded cause he was honest and is a great steeler to boot!. |
Dave Van Allen Member Posts: 5369 |
![]() ![]() I've seen Buddy playing at full tilt and then hit a clam (yes, he hits 'em, rarely, but if you ain't makin mistakes you ain't reaching/TRYING HARD ENUF) and throw his hands in the air and LAUGH! then continue...playing something even more amazing trying to pull out of the clinker... that's a healthy attytude! it's just music, spinning off into the ether. if there ain't a recording device around the only place it's preserved is in human memory which is about the least reliable storage medium I can think of... "As always: this is not a competition. And No Wagering..." D.Letterman |
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