posted 05 March 2000 01:01 PM         

The vertical knee lever kits sold by Emmons in their present catalogue sheets is NOT for a P-P. They are for the LeGrande! They are not the same at all. Different cross shafts, different bellcranks, different pull or push rods.

It is possible, Emmons still has a P-P kit, but I doubt it.

If they don't, contact Bobbe Seymoure or Ed Naylor

God bless you,

posted 06 March 2000 11:50 AM         

I find this to be a difficult change to add. The lever and cross shaft are not too hard to install, but there is limited space and it can become frustrating. Since the B drop is a lower, you will probably have to take off the keyhead endplate to be able to get the lower push rod in place. Starting from the lower finger, you will need the 1/8-inch dia. push rod (I use brass coated carbon steel welding rods), a stop collar and possibly a spacer for the finger interface, 2 stop collars and a 1-inch spacer tube for where the rod goes through the angle support bracket, 1 stop collar and a 1-inch spacer tube for the bellcrank interface. You will need two L brackets for the cross shaft. One will be taller that the other because of the ¼-inch difference in neck height You will need a 5/16-inch cross shaft and two stop collars for it. Then you will need the knee lever part, which is usually a regular knee lever pinned in the folded L position. Many people add an angle flag (extension) to the lever to make it easier to activate. The last thing that I can think of is an adjustable vertical stop for the lever.

Since this change adds a lower to the 5th string, you will now have to add more slack in that string's two pedal raises. In order to get the full raise, you will also probably have to add more pedal travel to the first and third pedals. This is a somewhat frustrating process of trial and error, which can adversely change your pedal heights and cause you to spend a day making adjustments to the 4th string too. Lastly, you will need to make sure that your pedal stops bottom out when your fingers do. If you like quick 1st and 3rd pedal response, then this may not be a change that you will want to add.

Hope this helps you,

posted 06 March 2000 06:38 PM         

Well, now that I think about it more and read about how much of a task it might be I think I'll just leave it the way it is, I already have 6 pedals and 4 knee levers now and it is an S10 on a single frame so it's kinda crowded underneath there now and it might be something i didn't really want after I got it. I also thought that I might be able to just install the knee lever on the cross bar for the 5th & 10th string raise pedal and install a push rod as there are already extra bell cranks there but I've never really done much on this guitar so I'm also afraid to get into more problems than I can't handle, might be better to leave well enough alone By the way, I have already called Mike Cass and I'm pretty sure that my Emmons will be headed in that direction in a few weeks. I think that's the best way to go as I've read a lot about Mike and everything I've read was great. thanks for all the help, it is greatly appreciated..Jeff

[This message was edited by Jeff Savage on 06 March 2000 at 06:40 PM.]

posted 06 March 2000 07:24 PM         

Soooooooooooo glad you decided to do this. Sometimes, we who have good mechanical aptitude, forget that what may come very easy to us, may be a nightmare for others.

And it is no picnic working on a P-P. Especially lowers.

Send it to an expert. It is the wise move I believe.

God bless you with whatever you do,