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They told Marty Stuart "It's Too Country"
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Nick Reed Member Posts: 2713 |
posted 19 March 2000 07:57 AM
I don't normally take a stand like this but today I am. Marty Stuart's song "Red Wine & Cheatin Songs" is great. It has some excellent Steel Guitar played by Gary Hogue. I've heard that many so called Country Radio Stations except for WSM in Nashville told Marty, "It's Too Country". Marty looked them in the eye and said "Thank you very much". I applaude Marty for taking such a stand as he did at the attitudes from these stations. Also, as a Radio Station owner myself, let me say I'm very embarrassed at the attitudes my collegues of other Radio Stations have. Let me say to those who don't like Marty's Song at these other Country Radio Stations, SHAME - SHAME - SHAME on all of you. It's your influence to the listeners that make songs like this a hit. Nick Reed, WEKT Website: [This message was edited by Nick Reed on 22 March 2000 at 05:24 AM.] |
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John Macy Member Posts: 2290 |
posted 19 March 2000 09:19 AM
"Also, as a Radio Station owner myself, let me say I'm very embarrassed at the attitudes my collegues of other Radio Stations have." The problem you have, Nick, is that you really don't have many collegues anymore. Pretty soon, the National Association of Broadcasters convention is going to be four guys having lunch together. Independent stations like yours are getting far and few between, but are usually a breath of fresh air when you can find them. It's great to see guys like Marty standing up for what they believe in. |
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Mike Brown Member Posts: 3373 |
posted 19 March 2000 03:10 PM
I made it a point to tell Marty last Saturday at the Texas Steel Jamboree that his latest release, "The Pilgrim" is a great CD. This is the concept CD that contains RED RED WINE. Marty even bypassed the norm by using his own band as well as other great artists like Johnny Cash, Emmylou Harris and others on this release. Gary and the rest of the band did a great job on this. Normally, I don't voice my opinion on CD's and such as I do work as a rep for a large musical instrument corporation. But, I've said before that Marty, Lee Roy Parnell, Emmylou Harris, David Ball and others help maintain and continue the "country music" heritage that other artists lack. They know and have lived the history of country music and don't just record music just to be played on the radio. Note that artists such as this consider it an honor to perform with artists of the past on the Opry, when the situation arises. I know that I might catch some flack about my statements(or maybe not?), but I haven't been impressed by a CD release in quite awhile, but Marty's latest got me motivated about the state of country music again. I guess that the thing to do is to start requesting music from artists such as this with you local "country" stations. I will do the same. ------------------ |
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Mike Brown Member Posts: 3373 |
posted 19 March 2000 03:29 PM
I normally make it a rule to "not" comment about someone's taste in music and tone as it can get you in trouble. But, I made it a point last Saturday night at the Texas Steel Jamboree to tell Marty that his latest release, The Pilgrim was GREAT! He had the b**** to not only record a concept album, but he also used his own band which is basically unheard of these days. I highly recommend this CD for your listening pleasure. And I also recommend that you call your local "country" radio station and request RED RED WINE, which is included on THE PILGRIM. There are several artists that seem to be skipped over for radio play these days, but fortunately artists like Marty, Emmylou, David Ball and Lee Roy Parnell continue to record what they do best, and not what the radio plays. Get yourself a CD player for your house and car, and forget the radio. You'll be glad that you did. ------------------ |
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Mike Brown Member Posts: 3373 |
posted 20 March 2000 11:24 AM
Sorry for the double post, but I thought about what I had written and hadn't finished venting frustration yet.............. |
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chris ivey Member Posts: 1105 |
posted 20 March 2000 11:45 AM
vent away, mike, we're with you! |
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Joe E Member Posts: 620 |
posted 20 March 2000 11:52 AM
You guys are right about Marty. I don't think there is any such thing as too country. The problem is: we are not making a broad enough catagory for country music. We have top 40 country, clasic country, country rock, country swing....and on and on and on. But it's all COUNTRY. Darn it. I like it all. And wished that I could find a station that plays it all. I live in the chicago area where the Number one country station in the United States is based. US99. WUSN. They suck. If its not on the chart, good luck hearing it. The only good thing about US99 is John Howl's country clasic show. Where you only hear old stuff. How about a mix people!! I'll stick with the local station WCCQ Q country. They at least try. Joe [This message was edited by Joe E on 20 March 2000 at 11:53 AM.] |
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Ray Jenkins Member Posts: 1986 |
posted 21 March 2000 07:39 AM
HELP!!! From the Phoenix area. We need a Country Music radio station.I think I'll just take some earlier advice on this Thread and go buy a CD player.Ray |
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c c johnson Member Posts: 1353 |
posted 21 March 2000 08:01 AM
thank you mike brown for your comments. Keep em coming. ------------------ |
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Mike Brown Member Posts: 3373 |
posted 21 March 2000 08:37 AM
I'm better today. |
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Bill cole Member Posts: 694 |
posted 21 March 2000 09:07 AM
Mike there is no reason for any flack you like any one else! No matter who you work forshould feel that you have to keep you opinion in as long as you say what you believe to be true and there is nothing pointed to hurt any one personal go for it. I have not heard the CD since they don't play THAT kind of country up here of course the DJ'S we have around here don't know country from a bucket of water. As far as some of the people you mentioned.Most of them are good ole boy's there is one who rides the fence but so be it as soon as I can find the CD I will get it cause our band does straight down the line kick butt country and Mike the Amp is working great Thanks again to you |
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Ron Page Member Posts: 4390 |
posted 21 March 2000 09:22 AM
I was a bit too disgusted to read the entire newspaper article, but I understand now they are broadcasting the same "one fits all" radio show simultaneously to 6-8 cities. I guess that says so much for individuality or anything resembling uniqueness. Welcome to the world of conglomerate radio. ------------------ |
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Joe Delaronde Member Posts: 901 |
posted 21 March 2000 10:46 AM
I think if more artist would insist on using their own bands for recording we would get to hear a lot more signiture sounds sounds like in the "olden days". Nowadays everything sounds the same.. |
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Johnny Cox Member Posts: 935 |
posted 21 March 2000 11:37 AM
Mike, I certainly understand your posistion, you and I are both in a situation where our opinions can get us in deep KaKa. But there comes a point when enough is enough and I have reached that point. I think we would all be happy if traditional country simply had equal time on radio. There IS room for it all, but since the powers at be want to push traditional out that makes me want to push them out. I am trying (though not yet very succesfully) to be a studio player. And I shoot myself in the foot everytime I post on the subject. I have learned many things from my peers including when to keep my mouth shut. I however will NOT ever stand by and watch country music be raped and not put my two cents worth in, Nor should anyone. ------------------ |
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Ray Jenkins Member Posts: 1986 |
posted 21 March 2000 11:54 AM
I've noticed when going to another state and you don't really know the number on the radio dial, of even an alleged country station.I'll listen to a certain station and they "ALL" sound the same.You never know for sure unless you hit on a traditional country sound.
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Mike Brown Member Posts: 3373 |
posted 21 March 2000 03:06 PM
Johnny, you know what I mean about offending others. Especially when they are only making a living like you and I. I'll stick with the CD player anyhow. I've been in kneedeep KA KA before though. |
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Dave Baker Member Posts: 57 |
posted 21 March 2000 03:44 PM
Over 2 decades ago I was once told ... "We are in the busisness of selling vinyl in the shape of flat discs. There are several warehouses of vinyl that we, ourselves, are committed to buying. If you can help us sell our vinyl then we can do busisness. If you can't help us sell vinyl, then we have to find somebody who can help us." Of course the part I left out was when he said that he currently didn't feel that I could help them. He was right. There were some heavy hitters at the mic in those days. They were not tin-plated pieces of flash stamped out with the same cookie cutter. But I never forgot that speech, and it heavily influenced any decision I have ever made about the music busisness since then. The bottom line was an entity unto itself that was not in any way related to artistic or musical integrity. The men I talked to were totally committed to the bottom line and were already not inclined to "take any chances." I think ALL music today reflects this. A lot of people get contracts based on the fact that they will bring in a share of a certain market segment. I know I am not saying anything that we all haven't already figured out, but I just felt the desire to say it my way. I don't like it any better than anybody else does, but I am not in the vinyl (or plastic) busisness so my opinion doesn't count. Needless to say that witholding my money because I no longer relate to the music makes them no-never-mind, either. I don't forsee anybody looking for an opinionated, rebellious, sometimes embarassing, Johnny Cash type just to get the voice when you can process a team player's voice to nearly the same point. Even though that voice might be that one-of-a-kind that they lay awake dreaming of discovering. Until a market segment slips, why would they possibly want to give up a good thing? Repetition seems to be providing a bottom line that they (and the people who buy that repetitive stuff) can live with. Just my opinion. [This message was edited by Dave Baker on 21 March 2000 at 03:46 PM.] |
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Terry Huval Member Posts: 55 |
posted 21 March 2000 08:50 PM
I have heard the term "too country" many times, but have you ever heard someone say that an artist, or song, is "too rock", "too jazz" or "too rap"? The label "country" is obviously marketable to promote today's new type of country. The powers that be are apparently trying to distance themselves from the part of country music they consider not as marketable. In the end they do a disservice to both genres of country music. Thanks to people like Marty Stuart, George Strait and Alan Jackson for keeping their eyes on the ball. It is up to true country fans to keep buying those CD's to encourage a desired shift in the industry. |
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daynawills Member Posts: 652 |
posted 21 March 2000 10:45 PM
There is a new station in Modesto, CA (it's about a year old) which plays country from the 20's through the 90's and on into 2000. They play Bob Wills, Tex Williams, Spade Cooley, Hag, Buck, Merle, Kitty, Tammy, Wynn Stewart, and the newer artists. It's KEJC 93.9 FM. If you get out this way, dial 'em up! ------------------ |
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C Dixon Member Posts: 5912 |
posted 22 March 2000 06:37 AM
A different slant. IF, the kids who buy CD's and tapes suddenly started liking "country", NO producer, exec or bottom line guru would stand a ghost of a chance stopping the rebirth of what most of this thread is about. And all the above "entities" would be begging, borrowing or stealing every steeler they could get their hands on. And that goes for fiddlers also. The producers are not the drivers IMHO. They are the watchers! ThE kids simply do NOT like "country" music. They just do NOT. we parents have allowed this to flourish. Look at the posters in their bedrooms alone!! One need look NO further! We can blame this one and that one. We can moan all we want to. The CD and tape "mass buying group" hates what we love. They just do. As long as this prevails and I am afraid it is here to stay, the situation is going to remain the same. Between my wife's and my inlwaws, we have almost a 100 close and distant "kid" relatives. NOT one likes traditional country music! NOT one. They all hate it. And they will tell you that in a hearbeat. If I was an executive of a company that sold CD's, I would be canned in a second if I did not follow the buying public and cater to their wants. Whether I personally liked it or not. Beloved, you are blaming the wrong entity IMHO. "Dem kids jes don lack it!" THEY are the ones that are destroying "country" music. God bless you all, carl |
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Tommy Dodd Member Posts: 202 |
posted 22 March 2000 05:26 PM
Carl, my good friend I agree with most of all you said about the kids not liking traditional country music. However, your post inspired me to make a call to my 22 year old son, Travis. He was raised around my steel guitar music and I guess enough sank in thru osmosis. He confessed that in his car, with those 15" boom box speakers in the back, he has a cd case with 100 albums. The good point here is, over 50 of them are by artists like George Jones, Merle Haggard, George Strait, Brian White, etc. Yeah, he's got a tatoo, and an earing too, but the boy's got his head on straight and I'm proud to have him as my son!
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Theresa Galbraith Member Posts: 2369 |
posted 22 March 2000 09:27 PM
Hey Tommy, I agree our teens don't love traditional, but they do like the new country! Theresa |
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Dave Robbins Member Posts: 718 |
posted 22 March 2000 10:16 PM
Hey Theresa, not totally true! I have a daughter that loves traditional country And she likes the Opry too! To assume that all young people only like new country is a mistake. I know of many young people that love traditional music. My son is a rock fan but loves Porter Waggoner! Maybe it has more to do with what they've been exposed to. |
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Theresa Galbraith Member Posts: 2369 |
posted 22 March 2000 10:42 PM
Dave, My daughter is 16, she loves George Strait, Patty Lovelace, Brian White, Shania, Lee Ann Womack, Alan Jackson and the list goes on. She does come from a musical family, the Galbraith's and the Franklin's! The point being she know's traditional from the new and she likes mostly the new! Sorry, Megan would turn Porter off. By the way, I wanted to tell you I enjoyed your playing with Jean on the opry. The Galbraith's and Franklin's hold the opry in the highest regard! Thanks,Theresa |
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John Macy Member Posts: 2290 |
posted 22 March 2000 10:58 PM
My daughter is 10, and has been well exposed to classic country, as well as about every other form of music. She loves Patsy Cline, but flees the room when the Opry comes on. She likes most of the new country stuff, as do I, too. Says she likes the way Shania sings, but thinks the songs are dumb. Loves George Strait and Trisha and Alan Jackson. Huge Wynonna fan. Digs Bob Wills, but likes Tim and Faith, too. Has CDs by Brian White and LeeAnn Womack. Loves opera, too. She also loves Paul's Christmas CD, Dan Tyack's CD, and loves the BJ Cole/Luke Vibert CD. When she rides in the car with me, she always hits the country station button. I have no doubt she will NOT be like the teenagers Carl so lovingly describes. I think she holds great promise for the future of country music. [This message was edited by John Macy on 22 March 2000 at 11:00 PM.] |
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Joel Glassman Member Posts: 340 |
posted 23 March 2000 09:04 AM
Terry, It is definitely possible to be "too Jazz" if you're trying to sell your product to a certain radio market: Jazz Lite or Fuzak (Fusion Muzak) If that's your goal, then don't make it too traditional, bluesy, improvised, "challenging" etc. etc. All markets have their requirements! Joel |
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Jeff Coffell Member Posts: 1094 |
posted 23 March 2000 09:27 AM
Our local radio station 99.9 WACO 100 that's in Waco TX only gives us one hour a day for traditional country. That's the noon hour every M-F this is very sad, gues they have a lot of young listeners?? I really doubt that. Most of the kids that I know of are in school during the day. Why can't we have our COUNTRY MUSIC during the 8-5 and give the kids the other junk after they're out of school? Sounds logical to me, what do ya'll think? Jeff |
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