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Mike Bagwell
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posted 16 June 2000 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Bagwell     
Mr Emmons,

My favorite steel recording of all time is your Black Album. I have it on CD and a original vinyl copy (autographed of course)and I listen to it almost every day. It is truly a masterpeice of technique,tone and musicianship.
During a improvised solo on Nightlife you play an passage that sounds very similar to Wes Montgomery style octaves. The octave is there but it has a percussive quality that simply eludes me. Ive never heard anyone else play octaves on steel guitar like this.
I was hoping that you could shed some light on this technique.

Mike Bagwell

Buddy Emmons
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posted 17 June 2000 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buddy Emmons     
Thanks Mike. I was using the same technique Wes used, except I had to block the strings between the octave notes with my left thumb and rake the octaves with the thumb pick. The sound of the thumb pick raking over the blocked notes and the octave strings at high speed creates the percussive sound.

[This message was edited by Buddy Emmons on 17 June 2000 at 07:55 AM.]



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posted 17 June 2000 06:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Bagwell     
Thank you

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posted 17 June 2000 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter Dollard     
Just another day at the office...what a guy!!! Pete.


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posted 17 June 2000 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kenny Dail     
Thanks Buddy. Tell Peg hi and give her my best.

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posted 17 June 2000 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ric Epperle     
Buddy,

I just tried that technique on "Night Life" a little while ago (I'm practicing right now) and it works very well. Thanks... I've also been wondering how you did that...

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posted 17 June 2000 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bobby Lee     
Buddy, we've heard that you've been experimenting with a middle D on the C6th neck. Do you use this same left thumb technique to block out that middle D when you do normal thumb rakes on the C6th?


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posted 18 June 2000 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buddy Emmons     
Yes, I use the same technique up to a certain speed, which applies to either tuning. The trickiest part is adjusting the thumb block from the spacing of the C and A octaves to the E octaves, which is one less string. I'm using a G and F note on the bottom of my 12 string C6th tuning so I now have four octaves across the neck, making melodies and improvising a little easier to deal with.


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posted 18 June 2000 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rusty Walker     
Hi Buddy,I didn't know that you had gone to a 12-string c6. I've been using a D-12 for a few years.G,E,D,C,A,G,E,C,A,F,D,C.I'm raising the 5'th(A) to B,F to G & D(11th)to E with one pedal.I'ts great having 3 octaves on 1 fret.Are you using a"G"on top? Rusty


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posted 18 June 2000 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buddy Emmons     
I'm using a D and B on top. From there, it's E-C-A-G-E-D-C-A-G-F.


Rusty Walker
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posted 18 June 2000 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rusty Walker     
That's interesting.I've entetained the idea of eliminating the "doo-ah" pedal to something new,but so far haven't come up with anything for my present set-up. Got any ideas? I'm so used to having the G on top and D in line.


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posted 18 June 2000 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Buddy Emmons     
Rusty,
As for pedals, I've kept five, six, and seven from the standard C6 setup, with the D in the tuning as the foundation for further additions. My plan is to add the rest of the pedals and knees in accordance with whatever I discover as I go. I've had the guitar almost a year and hadn't settled into that high bass tuning until last month so I'm in no hurry to get it right for my use. I plan to bone up a bit on theory, which I'm sure will influence some of the future decisions.

If you are comfortable with the G, then that should be reason enough to keep it, unless you feel you're missing something on the top end. If you don't need the barroom sound, then the sharp nine chord can be found elsewhere. I won't be playing The Night Life any time soon, so the decision to discard the low C was an easy decision easy for me. Unless you absolutely have to have a job related pedal or knee, going with your heart and with changes that suit your musical preferences will be a lot more gratifying.


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posted 19 June 2000 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rusty Walker     
Buddy What you say makes a lot of sense.You've helped me make up my mind on trying something new with that pedal.And nobody has asked me for Night Life in a long while either-much to my sadness.Kind of like losing an old friend.Come to think of it,I could probably learn to live without that top G.We may be into a whole different way of thinking See what you've started?

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posted 19 June 2000 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bobby Lee     
Buddy, have you ever tried putting your high D in between the C and E?

I like the phrasing that my fingers come up with in the pentatonic ordering of the middle strings. It can be really jazzy sounding. I wonder what the downside of extending that idea into the high strings would be. (E D C A G E D C A F on ten strings.)

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posted 19 June 2000 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Taillefer     
Hi Rusty,
When you last came over to my house and explained how you use the D in the middle. I really liked the idea. The voicings you are getting are quite different than the voicings I get with a D on top. The sound was really hip. However, I've been playing with a top D for so long that it would take a while to change my fingering. The top D seems to lend itself well to Charlie Parker type tunes. Bob


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posted 20 June 2000 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rusty Walker     
Hi Bob.I'm speaking strictly for myself-it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks.But I remember getting a left handed casting rod for my birthday when I was about seven.It was such an improvement over my old right-handed one,that I thought"I can do this".So I've been casting that way ever since.I guess my point is ,everyone should go out and buy a left-handed casting rod!Or put the"D" in line.Whatever. Rusty


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