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Will Bartell Member Posts: 91 |
posted 02 July 2000 02:25 PM
Being a newbie to C6th in the last couple of months, I was looking for a chord dictionary. I bought Doug Jernigan's, which is virtually worthless because 85% of the chords require his unique set-up. Can anyone recommend a book for a standard 5P/1K copedent? Thanks. |
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Michael Johnstone Member Posts: 2535 |
posted 02 July 2000 02:55 PM
Neil Flanz had one out in the 70s but I don't know if anybody still sells it.Around that same time,Jeff Newman also had a good course w/book and record called "Music To Get C6th By" Even tho those materials were valuable,I never really got comfortable on C6 until I sat down in 1975 and dug it out myself-analyzing what the pedals did,where the root tones and extensions were,etc.Using what chord theory I knew from childhood lessons on 6 string standard guitar and a few years on E9,I was able to carve out a mental map of the tuning.It's really not that hard to do and it will stay with you. -MJ- |
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Harry Hess Member Posts: 1131 |
posted 02 July 2000 03:44 PM
Buddy Emmon's "Basic C6" instructional course has an extensive section listing a large quantity of the chords using the standard set-up. The course is VERY good. Jeff Newman's three C6 videos are also excellent guides to C6 playing, as are all of his instructional materials. I would not agree with your assessment of Doug Jernigan's "C6 Chord Manual". In fact I would say that 85% of the chords he has listed are relevent to the standard set-up. While his copedent is not listed correctly, which is unfortunate, you can still learn a great deal from that book. It sounds as though you may be experiencing the usual frustration we all feel at tackling the C6 neck. If so, chill out and just take your time with it. You can get it, but it does take determination. You should consider adding at least one knee lever to your C6 neck. Consider having your RKR also raise your 3rd string on your C6 neck from C to C#. That is a very usefull change. Minimal amount of parts required to purchase, since you already have the knee lever operating on your E9 neck. Regards, [This message was edited by Harry Hess on 02 July 2000 at 03:49 PM.] |
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Will Bartell Member Posts: 91 |
posted 02 July 2000 03:56 PM
Thanks,lads, for your input. Michael, I agree with you completely that the best way is to simply ferret the changes out for yourself, but I have to admit to a certain degree of laziness (and lack of time) and I'm willing to cheat every so often. I have Jeff's C6th workshop and the two "Swinging" videos, as well as Buddy's "Basic C6th". I love Jeff, but he and I have gone round and round for 15 years about theory. I have been hampered by learning patterns and tab, because I never really learn WHAT I am playing. Maybe most guys don't want to know--I do. I can play all of his Woodshed Workshop series, and then I realize I have to stop and think "What key is this song in?" And Harry, we agree to disagree on Jernigan's book. Going through fake book charts, again and again, if I go to look up an altered chord, and there are six examples, I can usually only play one, maybe two, on my steel. I'm playing a Carter D-10 8P/5K. The one knee I referred to above is the half tone lower on the third string (C to B) Thanks again, guys. [This message was edited by Will Bartell on 02 July 2000 at 04:02 PM.] |
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Bob Kagy Member Posts: 872 |
posted 02 July 2000 05:16 PM
Will, this is a slightly different suggestion; I don't know if you're up for it or not, but I guess it's worth a try. It's trying ClicTab - you put your own setups in, there's a chord locator that's worth the price of the whole package. You can print off your own favorites. Scales of any type can be located on the fretboard. It also has a tab writing facility. I assume you're passing familiar with it - if not, check out the demo at www.clictab.com. Last I knew it was selling for around $90(?) Hope this helps. |
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G Strout Member Posts: 72 |
posted 02 July 2000 05:24 PM
Neils book is excellent. I don't know where you can find a copy or if it is still in print. Try contacting Neil at NeilFlanz@webtv.net He may be able to help you obtain one. |
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Jack Stoner Sysop Posts: 8119 |
posted 03 July 2000 03:26 AM
Your best bet is to put a wanted ad in the buy/sell and see if you can get a copy of Neil's C6th book. Last time I talked to Neil, he was attempting to get the rights back for all his Sho-Bud material so he could reissue it, but it may take a while if he ever gets the rights back. |
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Ralph H. Moorehead Member Posts: 55 |
posted 03 July 2000 06:15 AM
Maybe I am dumb, but I don't find the C6th to be intimidating. Maybe that's because I started out with it before pedals. I was luckyenough to find a copy of Neil's chord book and I find it very good. It did make me work out my own weird copedant though |
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Sam Marshall Member Posts: 260 |
posted 03 July 2000 07:49 AM
I found Doug's books quite useful, especially his "Nashville Style Book." I didn't have all the pedal/lever changes he had, but it was quite useful for getting a feel for the chord changes. I was learning on a E9/B6 universal S-12 Mullen. Seemed like a lot of the basic information was there. I already had some background in jazz harmony, so the theory wasn't baffling me. Another set of books that I recommend is by Herbie Wallace. A lot of good tunes in them. Tommy Root had some videos out, too. I have never used the Emmons books, but I hear they are the BEST from several sources. Two great book for understanding chords and patterns if you play guitar are by Ted Greene and called CHORD CHEMISTRY & I don't think he ever came out with vol. 2. He also wrote 2 good books that covered single notes with a lot of good chord theory and scales aimed at jazz solo studies. Regards, |
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Harry Hess Member Posts: 1131 |
posted 04 July 2000 01:14 AM
Sam, I have those Ted Greene books and also thought they were very good. A real project would be figuring out and tabbing out all those single note lines for C6. Feel like tackling that? I'm too busy. Regards, |
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