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Brett Cookingham Member Posts: 51 |
posted 04 September 2000 01:56 AM
Has anybody compared the Emmons L.L. III to the L.L. II? Comments on either of these guitars would be nice. |
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Ernie Renn Member Posts: 2657 |
posted 04 September 2000 04:48 AM
Brett; The only difference between the two is the LeGrande III has the anti-detuner mechanism and the II doesn't. Other than that, as far as I know, they are the same guitar. Hope this answers your question! ------------------ |
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Don Sulesky Member Posts: 1126 |
posted 04 September 2000 04:50 AM
I have a new Emmons L/II which I got from Bobbe Seymour last October. I personnally don't see the need for the stabilizers. I heard pros and cons on this. I think you'll have to decide whether you want to spend the extra cash. Steelers have played years without these gimmicks and they sound pretty dam good to me. Don |
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Frank Parish Member Posts: 2327 |
posted 04 September 2000 05:55 AM
I've got a Legrande II and it's the same guitar as the III without the counterforce. If you're looking at your tuner when you press the pedals down the 4 and 8 string will drop a little but not enough to make a difference. None of the rest of the guitars on the market have the counterforce either. If you want to be particular and you actually hear the difference then get the III but listen to the difference when you step on the pedals and see if you can tell. Tune the 4th and 8th string open with the pedals down. It works for me. |
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C Dixon Member Posts: 5912 |
posted 04 September 2000 11:34 AM
For many players a LeGrande II is more than sufficient and satisfactory. Strings dropping when other strings are raised just does not bother them. But for others, it bothers them greatly and the LeGrande III is perfect for them. And the price is well worth it. For these players, the "counter-force" option (III vs II) is NO gimmick. As Buddy Emmons said right on this forum, "It does what it was designed to do". And he be da man IMHO. God bless you all, carl |
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Dennis Manuel Member Posts: 409 |
posted 04 September 2000 05:22 PM
I did own a Legrande ll and currently own a Legrande lll. They are both great guitars and the anti-detuner device does work, it is definitely not a selling gimic. |
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Dave Robbins Member Posts: 718 |
posted 04 September 2000 09:25 PM
I have both a II and a III. I still prefer the III over the II. Both are great guitars though. Out of all the guitars I have, the III is still the one I grab on the way out door. [This message was edited by Dave Robbins on 04 September 2000 at 09:27 PM.] |
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Danny Hullihen Member Posts: 1782 |
posted 05 September 2000 05:04 AM
"Quote" None of the rest of the guitars on the market have the counterforce either. Frank, this statement isn't true. Herb Remington does something similar to this on his steels. The Emmons counterforce device on the LeGrande III does what it was intended to do... counteract cabinet drop. It's not a gimmick. For Emmons owners, this is not something you need to justify regarding the II vs. III. You either want it, or your don't. Only your own ears can decide that for you, not that of someone else. |
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Earl Foote Member Posts: 208 |
posted 05 September 2000 05:11 AM
I have a Legrand III & have removed the counterforce and all the tuning compensators, turning it into a Legrand II. These mechanisms work fine, cabinet drop just isn't a problem for me. As far as tuning compensators go, the benefit that they provide vs the time it takes to adjust them just wasn't worth keeping them. But if these tuning issues are a problem with you, counterforce does work. Earl Foote |
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C Dixon Member Posts: 5912 |
posted 05 September 2000 08:46 AM
If you press the A pedal on your PSG and the 6th string drops to the point that there is a beat between strings 5 and 6 (JI tuning), and this does not bother you, you will gain nothing by buying a LeGrande III over a II. Assuming you were contemplating the purchase of one of these. On the other hand, if it DOES bother you, and bothers you enough to fight it, you would be well satisfied with a LeGrande III. And the extra cost would be well worth the expenditure. It seems that the problem of so-called "cabinet-drop" just does not bother certain players. But unfortunately, there are a number of players that it does bother. And some of us, have fought it for years and it has been a frustrating fight. One thing is for sure, if it only bothered a very small number of players, I have great difficulty rationalizing a reputable builder of PSG's taking the time to design and make available a device that would cure cabinet drop. It is not cheap. Around 300 dollars per neck! I was so skeptical when the III first came out, I put it through the 3rd degree. I was bound and determined to see if it did in fact stop cabinet drop. Or was there a little drop still to reckon with? I can tell you, that it stops it cold dead in its tracks. When properly adjusted, you can go down on the A pedal and that 6th string does not move the needle on a tuner!! Same thing for the 4th string, etc, going down on A and/or B. So again, it depends on what a player is comfortable with. For many of us, there is no substitute for the LeGrande III. The cost is small in comparison to the enjoyment in playing a steel with ZERO drop. I unfortunately purchased a II 9 months before the III came out. Wish to heavens I had (known) and waited and bought the III. The only reason I have not upgraded is I have been told by several that my II has a tone to die for. And not all guitars, even the same make and model, have "that" sound. Folks, it is not ALL, in the hands God bless you, carl [This message was edited by C Dixon on 05 September 2000 at 08:49 AM.] |
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Bill Findlay Member Posts: 241 |
posted 05 September 2000 01:53 PM
I have a D-10 LG II with the hum bucking pick ups and a SD-10 LG III with the Single Poles pick up. The big differece I can tell from the two is the pedals on the LG III are harder to push down. I believe I prefer the action and tonability of the LG II between the two. The LG III is harder to adjust altho the cabinet drop is improved(nill). But I can't say that the LG II has enough drop to make a differece. |
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