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Boo Bernstein Member Posts: 275 |
posted 15 September 2000 09:05 AM
Jason -- I don't know why my e-mail didn't come up. It's bob.bernstein@umusic.com Great to see Marty popping up here -- a great player, producer and friend! Marty and I shared the stage many time at the Pal over the years. Boo |
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Jason Odd Member Posts: 2665 |
posted 15 September 2000 09:19 AM
Boo, thanks for that email. I haven't really had a chance the last couple of days to email Marty or Dan, but be warned guys I'm-a-lookin' fer ya. I get the feeling that Marty got to play with Billy Block (drums), Keith Rosier (bass), and Dale Watson guitar) (He was there often, although perhaps not as the regular). And Will Ray who came back with the Hellecasters and played there with them as well. Jay Dee also mentioned playing with Steve Duncan drums, Arnie Moore bass, Skip Edwards |
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Mike Black Member Posts: 528 |
posted 15 September 2000 12:21 PM
Hey Mitch, That's the LP. Is it real hard to find ? I've only seen it for sale twice. That would be Al Vernon. Al hung out with Joaquin and the 2 were friends. I don't have the Bryant/West box, but I'll ask Doug about the photo when I go see him tomorrow. I'd like to hear more about Curley too Dougs a real (mule)kick and I'm sure I'll have a laugh or two. |
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Mylos Sonka Member Posts: 212 |
posted 15 September 2000 05:57 PM
Doug McGinnis was also a movie extra, and starred in one film, he told me, called "Outlaw Women" or something like that, about a band of babes who take up the outlaw life. I would love to find someone who has a copy of that film. Mylos "Boogie" Sonka |
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Mylos Sonka Member Posts: 212 |
posted 15 September 2000 05:58 PM
Doug McGinnis was also a movie extra, and starred in one film, he told me, called "Outlaw Women" or something like that, about a band of babes who take up the outlaw life. I would love to find someone who has a copy of that film. Mylos "Boogie" Sonka |
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Peter Dollard Member Posts: 705 |
posted 15 September 2000 06:30 PM
It seems that everytime anyone uses an ethnic or racial reference the guardians of "political correctness" immediately emerge from their ivory towers and attack what they perceive to be a racial offence. There are rundown white neighborhoods(look at Jeff Foxworthy's Redneck references)as well as Hispanic neighborhoods. To simply refer to that particular one as having a predominantly Hispanic character is simply a description and I don't think it merits criticism. Pete. [This message was edited by Peter Dollard on 15 September 2000 at 06:33 PM.] |
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Bill Sharpe Member Posts: 351 |
posted 15 September 2000 07:06 PM
Thank you for your thoughts Peter, the theme, as pre-determined after several responses, pertaining to the subject inquiry, excluded racial ethnicity from the overall context of the PAL inquiry. Hey we're all pickers and friends though, right? Try to make it to the most fantastic event this year at the NTSGA Super Jam here in Nashville, and I guarantee you'll enjoy yourself regardless of gender or ethnic preferences. email me and I'll try to make your trip a good one. Bill Sharpe
B# [This message was edited by Bill Sharpe on 16 September 2000 at 07:39 AM.] |
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Marty Rifkin Member Posts: 12 |
posted 15 September 2000 07:19 PM
Jason, Certainly played with Billy Block until he moved to Nashville. Steve Duncan joined when Billy left. First James Intveld played bass then Keith took over. Dale was definitely a member then Cary Park came in after Dale. Jeffrey Steele became the bass player about that time and they both stayed for quite a while until their band “Boy Howdy” took off. Then came Harry Orlove on guitar and Paul Marshall on bass. That’s been the band for the last 6 or 7 years. It was such a fun gig. Got to play with so many great players. We even had occasions where JayDee would play all night with us. Since I always played non-pedal steel in this band it was always an interesting combination when he would sit in. Was fortunate enough to hear every steel player in town (the Barndance was a showcase for country and roots bands) and met so many wonderful people (like Boo.). Boo, |
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Jason Odd Member Posts: 2665 |
posted 15 September 2000 09:31 PM
Yeah Pete cool post. Thanks guys, what ever happened to Sheri? |
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Stu Schulman Member Posts: 812 |
posted 15 September 2000 10:06 PM
Jason,I played the Pal at first subbing on guitar for Jack Daniels then Iwas moved to steel after Pete Grant.The band leader Was Jimmy Snyder,Steve Duncan on Drums,Ed Hill on piano,Greg Humphries on bass,Doug Atwell on fiddle.I think that we made $37.50 a night ,not much bread but a chance to get picked up by a name act.By the way I visited my old friend Delaney Bramlett a couple of months ago,and he is doing well.One more thing I backed up the LeGard twins in France in 1980,and got my fingers by a Bullwhip by either Ted or Tom. |
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Peter Dollard Member Posts: 705 |
posted 16 September 2000 12:21 AM
Although the topic originally was the Palomino club the objections to Ken's post seemed to have changed the thrust of the conversation. His descripition was what he saw right; Suppose he had said instead "There was a predominantly Hispanic crowd who looked like they had the potential to commit unlawful acts by their general appearance". It sounds silly but that's the way you have to say things to avoid getting grief. As I said before,where is the rage when Irish or Redneck references are made? . It is a double standard and frankly gentleman it irks the heck out of me. [This message was edited by Peter Dollard on 16 September 2000 at 11:31 AM.] [This message was edited by Peter Dollard on 17 September 2000 at 09:30 AM.] |
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Mike Perlowin Member Posts: 6731 |
posted 16 September 2000 03:15 AM
Amazingly, I missed the whole scene. Prior to doing gigs, I wasn't interested in country music, and once I started gigging, I was too busy playing elswhere. I never played at the club, and only went there to see others 2 or 3 times. One of my big regrets today. |
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Latina Member Posts: 80 |
posted 16 September 2000 06:21 AM
Well Mr. Dollard, it seems that everytime anyone who has used an ethnic or racial reference, they come back to correct their "slur" and even offer an apology. I do not consider myself to be one of the guardians of "political correctness" who emerges from her ivory tower and I do not attack what I perceive to be a racial offense (not "offence"). And yes, there are rundown white neighborhoods as well as other rundown neighborhoods in a variety of ethnic backgrounds be they Hispanic, African American, Irish, Redneck, etc., which was my point. I do not believe that I was being critical of Mr. Lang's comments, just stating fact. Also, following Mr. Lang's gracious apology, the whole race issue was dropped and the topic had gotten back on track (Palomino [not Palamino] Club) up until your remarks. If you must persist with the race issue, e-mail me and we will continue it there instead of continuing to take up precious Forum space. [This message was edited by Latina on 16 September 2000 at 06:25 AM.] |
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Jason Odd Member Posts: 2665 |
posted 16 September 2000 08:01 AM
Stu I spoke to Jimmy Snyder just yesterday, he's in Tennessee now, I only spoke to him for a short while but promised to start mailing him my notes so he could comment on the different groups he had and played with at the Pal, etc. Now I've got some more to send off thanks Stu! |
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Dan Tyack Member Posts: 3552 |
posted 16 September 2000 11:01 AM
Stu preceeded me at the Pal. I got Joe Shelby down from Northern CA after I started working with the Sweethearts of the Rodeo (with Vince Gill on guitar!!!). This would have been 1981, I believe. ------------------ |
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Peter Dollard Member Posts: 705 |
posted 16 September 2000 11:29 AM
According to my Webster's dictionary "offence" is listed as an alternate spelling although the more common spelling uses an "S". As to the other spelling error I apologize; maybe someone can tell me how to define an "ad hominem" attack. [This message was edited by Peter Dollard on 16 September 2000 at 12:13 PM.] |
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Arnie Moore New Member Posts: 3 |
posted 17 September 2000 04:10 PM
I played in the last incarnation of the Palomino Riders, such as it was at the time. It was no longer a 6 night per week gig. All that was left for us was Talent night. We were a group of sidemen with no front man as in the past. But most veterans of the floating band known as the Palomino riders will say that Talent Night was the most fun of the week, so perhaps we were lucky. In the group with me from 1980 to 1992 was Jay Dee on steele, Steve Duncan/drums. Harry Orlove/guitar, and Skip Edwards/ keyboards. I was on bass. It was during this period that JayDee and Steve helped develop Desert Rose Band. Whenever anyone needed a sub, we always had the best. John Molo on drums, or Archie; Sneaky Pete or Ernest Bovine, or Dave Perleman, or Marty Rifkin ( among others) on steele; John Hobbs on Keys.....John Jorgensen, Chuck Crews, Jack Daniels on Guitar. I know I've forgotten some great players, please forgive me. Any time a road band would have a night off on a Thursday ( later Monday) the steele players would come to watch/meet JayDee....like going to Mecca. Tommy Thomas died in the mid 80's and the club went quickly downhill without his leadership. He was tough to work for, but it was HIS club, and he knew what he was doing. In the 70's there were lines down the street to get into Talent Night. In the early 80's we would typically have 50+ performers on any given night. I think our record was 72!! We were whipped when we left. Yet it was the highlight of the week for me. Just getting to stand for 6 hours between JayDee and Steve was an honor. though I still take occasional gigs, when I know it will be fun ( ie: an occasional Albert Lee gig), I am earning a living as a substitute teacher. |
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Charlie Vaughn Member Posts: 324 |
posted 17 September 2000 04:37 PM
I copied all the post for this thread and took them to Garland on Friday night when we played. He asked me tell each one of you "Hello" ,he thinks of you often. [This message was edited by Charlie Vaughn on 17 September 2000 at 04:43 PM.] |
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Mark van Allen Member Posts: 2458 |
posted 18 September 2000 10:35 AM
Back in the early '80s I was on tour out west with a South Carolina band called "The Zassoff Boys" and we had a day off in Hollywood, got all excited about going down to the Palomino which we had heard so many great stories about. Glen Yarbourough was onstage that night and turned in a less than thrilling performance... and alas none of the incredible steelers I'd hoped for turned up. I happened to strike up a conversation with Dan Haggerty (TV's Grizzly Adams), who offered to buy drinks- which turned out to be PITCHERS of Tequila- Watching Dan pouring himself into his Corvette and attempting to drive out of the parking lot remains my clearest memory of the Palomino. My head still hurts thinking about it... ------------------ |
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Boomer Member Posts: 400 |
posted 18 September 2000 02:35 PM
Jason - I believe Sheri moved to Idaho. Jimmy Snyder may have more accurate information on that. As far as the demise of the Palomino - while it may open a can of worms - I would like to give my read on it: It wasn't the neighborhood that caused the demise of the club so much as lack of direction on Sheri's part of how to structure the band playing there. When the "Mel Tillis & the Statesiders" band-like atmosphere no longer permeated the six nights (apart from Thursday's talent night), the Palomino lost its most important crowd - not the songwriters, not the musicians, but the businessman. The businessman was the major supporter financially of the Pal with the dinners & drinks for clients and afterwards great covers of the country music that was popular at the time by a well dressed band that was really a band (i.e. "The Starouters" & "The Palomino Riders"). Sheri asked me sometime before she closed the doors "What do I need to do to try to restore some of the glory and prestige of the Palomino?" My suggestion to her was to cut out songwriter's nights, cut out sit-ins, hire a well-rehearsed band that wears smart clothing and does the hits of the day. Talent night only on Thursday. In other words, go back to catering to the business crowd the way Tommy & Billy did. I feel if she had done that, it might have saved the Pal. Best, Boomer [This message was edited by Boomer on 18 September 2000 at 04:26 PM.] |
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Jason Odd Member Posts: 2665 |
posted 19 September 2000 07:53 PM
In a lot of ways Boomer I think that's a fair assessment, having not lived there I don't know the context of what country clubs were still left in the area, obviously the Foothill was still going, but when I think of North Hollywood in the 1980s all I really ever heard of was the twenty zillion rock clubs and bands, Hollywood Rose, Guns & Roses, LA Guns, Faster Pussycat.etc, etc. All leather tatoos, Jack Daniels bottles and bandanas..that seemed to be the uniform of choice in the mid to late 1980s, I thought this had a lot to do with clearing out the other club that weren't like this? And on a related note, I got emails from a few people who I sent a link for this page too. Doyle Holly, George Highfill and others really enjoyed the chatter and had a few comments for me..they all loved the Pal'. Apparently Ronnie Mack is hosting his final barndance tonight...yeah sorry way too late, I only just found out. There will however be a tribute concert to Ronnie Mack and in particular his Barndance. Dwight Yoakam Actually I'm wrong, they have all confirmed..it's Jim Lauderdale and Rosie Flores who are trying to arrange their schedules so they can be in town for it Go for it Forumites !!! |
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Arnie Moore New Member Posts: 3 |
posted 21 September 2000 05:26 AM
About the demise of the Palomino. Here are my thoughts, for what they're worth. The change with the house band occured while tommy was still alive and actively running things. By the time I started (early 80's), it was down to only the Talent Night. Talent Night was still a huge event, with Cliffie Stone as M.C. When Tommy passed away, the leadership was turned over to Billy Thomas, who was either Tommy's son or nephew. IMHO he was the beginning of the end. He wanted to be an emprisario without ever having paid his dues. Instead of putting $ back in to the club, he bought a Porche, and built a special garage at the back of the club to park it. Also, re: the businessman connection. Tommy had an incredible LUNCH business. He had the best Steak sandwich deal in the area. Walk in there at noon, or early afternoon, and there was plenty of business. He got people in there with great value on food, and they would stay and drink. He would have BBQ on Sundays. Sherri Thomas had the best of intentions, but it was too late by the time she tried to rescue it from Billy's tenure. |
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Jason Odd Member Posts: 2665 |
posted 21 September 2000 07:19 AM
Well, interesting info there Arnie. I've got to ask, I've heard that Tommy Chong {of Cheech & Chong} did some work at the Pal'. quote: ------------------ |
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BILL kennedy unregistered Posts: 2665 |
posted 22 September 2000 07:54 AM
Sure a big let down to hear the "PAL" is gone.I spent 15 yrs.out there and only got to the "PAL" one time {my loss},but did hear RED play.He was great.Also sad to hear not many clubs left in so. cal. for pickin'. Do you guys know if "GEORGE'S ROUNDUP' is still around or the " foot hill club" ? "GEORGE'S ROUNDUP" is wrere i first seen RALPH MOONEY play. BILL |
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Arnie Moore New Member Posts: 3 |
posted 23 September 2000 09:58 PM
I played there with a musical comedian named Kenny Davis in the late 70s. kenny and I went back to the early 60s together in folk groups, and he is still very successful.... Tommy ( and everyone) thought he was funny. whoever is in contact with ol' Garland Frady please say hello from Arnie Moore. Now, that's country. |
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Earnest Bovine Member Posts: 4687 |
posted 24 September 2000 01:29 AM
Kenny Davis used to start his act with "I was just driving around looking for a four dollar beer" and after that he had the audience on his side. |
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Ken Lang Member Posts: 2467 |
posted 24 September 2000 06:57 PM
As a reinforcement for Arnie and his thread about the lunches, my office is about 3 miles north of the Pal. We built a machine for Motorola and the guy who came for the buyoff was totally consumed about the Pal. Seems his parents had played there or something like that. All he could talk about was going to the Pal. This was in the 80's. What a feather in my cap to take him to lunch at the Pal. Guess what. No service, no nothing, couldn't even get a beer. We sat about 3 tables to the left of the entrance. The bartender did nothing. The 3 girls who I assumed were there to wait on us did nothing. We sat for 20 minutes without any recognition whatsoever, and so left. Mumbling excuses that I had never seen such a thing, I offered to take him back at night to hear the band. We sat stage left next to the wall and he was in his glory looking at all the old posters and such on the wall. Then the band came on. Let me say it was the greatest pile of rock and roll excretement I had ever heard. Twice in one day, in one legendary place, this man had his expectations shattered. Fortunately, Little Nashville around the corner on Sherman way was hoppin and we salvaged the night as best we could. |
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Jason Odd Member Posts: 2665 |
posted 24 September 2000 07:51 PM
Oh man, from bad to worse! ------------------ |
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Ken Lang Member Posts: 2467 |
posted 24 September 2000 08:25 PM
As long as we have so many folks interested in the Pal, and as my office is so close, I'd be willing to grab the Sony digital camera and shoot down there after work and take some shots of the place as it exists today, if anyone is interested. The catch is, I'm not into posting pictures, but I could email them as attachments to someone who is. Your call? |
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Jim Bob Sedgwick Member Posts: 1234 |
posted 24 September 2000 10:31 PM
George's Roundup ( I played Bass there for 3 years with Danny Michaels) is now a parking lot. The building has been torn down. The Foothill only has country music about once a week. As Jason says: The future ain't what it used to be. Bonnie Price's son is running the show now. I heard that Bonnie had been placed in a home for mentally disabled people due to Alzheimer's disease. |
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Jason Odd Member Posts: 2665 |
posted 24 September 2000 11:12 PM
Hi guys, yeah I've heard the clubs had really changed. I was waiting for a local to jump in as I really didn't know what the story was with the Foothill, although I had heard about Bonnie. Ken, I actually need a shot of the old sign if possible. I've asked Bob Timmers from the Rockabilly Hall of Fame and we've pretty much drawn a blank. Although I do have a couple of shots where you can see some of the sign, but no so much the horseshoe. Things are going great and sorry I haven't caught up with everyone as yet. |
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Brandin Member Posts: 444 |
posted 25 September 2000 08:57 AM
I believe the Foothill has been sold. |
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Stu Schulman Member Posts: 812 |
posted 26 September 2000 10:22 PM
Did anybody mention the story about"Tiny"the bouncer getting shot with an arrow outside the Pal? |
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Jason Odd Member Posts: 2665 |
posted 27 September 2000 01:54 AM
I'm all ears Stu...by the way I got an email from Bill Mack who played at the Palomino with Johnny Meeks group the Tune Toppers in 1959, the research continues. |
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Fred Jack Member Posts: 832 |
posted 27 September 2000 01:15 PM
"Wild Bill Taggart" was at The Pal in 1962. I left No.Hollywood in Oct 1962 and had seen him do " Jooohn......Marrrrrsha etc.. Funny funny funny ! Anyone remember him doing that? I was glad to see him remembered here on The Forum. |
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Ric Epperle Member Posts: 1490 |
posted 27 September 2000 01:36 PM
quote: You can send them to me if you like, Ken. I'll post them. |
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Jim Eaton Member Posts: 1036 |
posted 27 September 2000 10:15 PM
I have been lurking here on the forum for the last few months since I found my way here the first time and when I saw this thread on the "Pal", I had to pull the trigger and regester so I could put in my small part of the story. Several of the other members have posted great memories of the Pal at its best when Tommy was still alive. They were 100% correct about Tommy being a very good bussinessman who could draw the bussiness lunch crowd at lunch and play hide and go seek with the fire marshall during a sro Rick Nelson show (TB on PSG)with way more folks inside than should have been there! During what another member has called the "best" rendition of the Palomino Riders with Jerry Inman (mid 74/early76),Tommy had the joint jumpin! On Fri & Sat night, he would book a headliner and a "B" act. The Riders would back up the headliner and my band, Easy Money, would back up the "B" act. We played the whole night on Sundays during the BBQ. Easy Money was a "last-minute-7-phone-call-band" alot of the time, but we had some fine players over the life of that band. Freeman House on fiddle, Ricky Bysch on Guitar,Pete Gavin (Heads,Hands & Feet W/Albert Lee) on drums,Bob Gross on bass,AJ on Vocals, Skip Schnider on Piano and me on my Emmons D-10. We played what would pass as almost "straight" country today, but was almost to "high energy" for that time, but we could play it the way the "B" act wanted it to sound and we packed the place on Sundays so Tommy kept us busy for almost a year and a half. I would get to set up my guitar on JayDee's riser. He had a tall bar stool so he sat at eye level with Russ and the rest of the band and that was "the" place where a PSG got set up on that stage! JayDee was so nice to me the first night we played there. He came over after we had set up and dialed in the old "vocal/smasher" PA during our sound check and looked over my P/P and sat down and tried out the feel of my "wide" Emmons pedals. He always encouraged me and even complimented my playing from time to time. I was very lucky to have been able to "hang out" with one of the greats during the early stages of my learning to play psg. I have a special memory of the Pal that is music related in that it happened on the stage, but 24 years ago I met my wife, Cari, while I was playing steel as a sideman for "Tom Geber & Blackhawk". Don't have a clue where Tom Geber is, but she and I are still together! JayDee, if you read this, it was great seeing you at the "Westek" maching show with your son a few yrs ago, in fact seeing you got me off my butt and back behind my guitar again! Once again, thanks JayDee. ------------------ |
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Jason Odd Member Posts: 2665 |
posted 01 October 2000 07:19 PM
Has anyone brought up Tom Willett? Called Good to hear from you Jim, hey everyone do you remember Jeanne Black who used to sit in with Cliffie Stone a little in the late 1980s. She recalled Jay Dee quite fondly. Also asked me to post this: quote: ------------------ |
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