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MUSICO
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From: Jeremy Williams in Spain
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posted 03 January 2001 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MUSICO     
I noticed in a banjo instruction book that Bill Keith, banjo legend and innovator, had moved on to Pedal Steel....much to the disgust of some banjo fans.

żIs he well known in the PSG community or not?

Jeremy Williams
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Bob Mainwaring
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posted 03 January 2001 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Mainwaring     
Hi there ,
As far as I know he went back to Banjo.

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Jason Odd
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posted 03 January 2001 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jason Odd     
Bill Keith played with a variety of bluegrass acts in his early days, and is most remembered by a lot of fans for his excellent work with Bill Monroe's Bluegrass Boys in 1963.

By the mid 1960s he had gathered quite a reputation and was playing banjo as a featured act at the Newport Folk Festival in 1967, yet in 1968 he joined country rock group Great Speckled Bird, which was led by folkies Ian & Sylvia Tyson.
He was replaced by Buddy Cage in 1969, but he did play steel with the Blue Velvet Band for a 1969 album on Warner Brothers.
It was a folk/country-rock/bluegrass hybrid type of group.
After that informal group he seemed to be involved with Jonathan Edwards solo band in the early 1970s around the Upstate New York scene.
During this period he seemed to split his time between California playing with the Bluegrass Dropouts which was basically a jam band with David Grissman, Clarence White etc.
While he also played with an informal bluegrass/folkie group that was known as the Woodstock Mountain Revue and variations on that name.
By 1973 the Bluegrass Dropouts had practically become a proper group known as Muleskinner, whic played gigs around L.A in ealry 1973 and were supposed to do a TV special with Bill Monroe. Monroe's bus broke down so they did the whole show which is now available on CD and video through Sierra Records.
They also signed to Asylum Records for an LP, but in a label shuffle they ended up on Warner Brothers and cut a wonderful LP that wasn't released until 1974 as the guitarist Clarence White was killed in mid 1973.

By the mid 1970s Keith was right back into the bluegrass scene, working on some progressive bluegrass experiments (solo LP), as well as spending a lot of time in France with Gypsy/Jazz influenced European pickers.


Dan Farrell
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posted 03 January 2001 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Farrell     
Bill Keith was certainly very active and well known in both banjo and steel guitar circles back in the 70s. He is listed as the co-author, along with Winnie Winston, of the classic instructional book, Pedal Steel Guitar (It is Bill you hear on the record that comes with the book). That book was published first in 1975.

In 1979, I went to a banjo clinic in the Los Angeles area that featured Bill Keith. At that time I also bought some Scruggs-Keith tuners for my banjo.

I would like to know what Bill Keith is doing these days. He sure has helped me out with both instruments.

[This message was edited by Dan Farrell on 03 January 2001 at 09:54 PM.]



Bob Mainwaring
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posted 03 January 2001 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Mainwaring     
Last time I saw him was playing with Pete Rowan and a couple of other players (fiddle and bass) can`t remember their names now, in a country club in the north of England in the mid to late eighties. At that time Pete cut quite the picture with a pink suit he wore on stage with wide brimed hat, while ole` Bill wore his jeans. That night still stands out as one of the best nights the club ever had. The club is now called "The Hobos` Retreat Country Music Club" - is a stones throw from Manchester and has quite the website.
It is still run by an old buddy of mine and his wife that we crossed over from venue to venue back in the sixties. If anyone ever wants a chance to have a great different night in northern England be sure to look them up as show time is each Thursday.

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Herb Steiner
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posted 04 January 2001 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Herb Steiner     
I talked to Bill about 5 years ago, after not having spoken to him for almost 15 years. He no longer plays steel, told me he sold his guitar to Eric Weissberg. He lives in Woodstock NY, and was going over to France fairly regularly since his wife is a French native. He is involved in both musical and non-musical projects, none involving the steel apparently.

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Gary Lee Gimble
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posted 04 January 2001 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gary Lee Gimble     
A close friend of mine told me Bill Keith never really felt comfortable on steel.

Gary Lee

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posted 04 January 2001 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Ristrim     
Bill has been running the Beacon Banjo Company. They/He make the Scruggs/Keith banjo tuners. I called the company up and Bill answered the phone. A very pleasent man, and he fixed up two pair of tuners I had to boot.

Dave Ristrim

Jason Odd
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posted 04 January 2001 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jason Odd     
Bob Mainwaring, it's Peter Rowan who also played with Bill Keith in the Muleskinner band with David Grissman, Richard Greene and Clarence White. The album they cut in 1973 is out on Cd through Sierra, Keith plays banjo, but Clarence White plays some killer stringbender on their version of 'Muleskinner Blues.'

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Chas Holman
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posted 04 January 2001 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chas Holman     
There's a great picture of Bill on page 39 of Winnie's book (circa mid '70's). I'm curious if the guitar in the shot is the one he sold to Weissberg . . . . and if so, wonder if Eric left the Zig-Zag man decal on the front...

Sorry to hear he no longer dabbles in the double neck - I always considered him a very solid player.

-Chas

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posted 04 January 2001 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter Dollard     
Bill Keith, as much as any other banjo player, changed the course of Bluegrass. He was able to render identical fiddle tune passages on the banjo;Devils Dream, Turkey In The Straw, N.O.L.A. etc. When he played the Opry with Bill Monroe the staff band would listen from the side of the stage. Monroe bragged that it "Took a Yankee to show those Southern boys how to play like that". Yes,I know who Bobby Thompson and Carroll Best are but it was Keith who was playing in front of large audiences and inspiring Tony Trichka and Bela Fleck. If you listened to Keith play live I think the banjo jokes would abate considerably on the Forum.Bill informed me yesterday that he has taken up steel again and is playing a single neck Sho-Bud. Pete.


Bob Mainwaring
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posted 04 January 2001 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Mainwaring     
Good news Peter,
I, like a lot of others here love Banjo, and hope Bill would get back into picking steel again. Maybe we`ll be able to see him here on the forum someday - I`ll keep my fingers crossed.

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Fred Truitt
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posted 04 January 2001 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fred Truitt     
Bill...Heck yes!!

Kenny Baker talked Bill Monroe into listening to Bill's melodic style and Mr. Bill hired him. Bill did change the style of banjo picking for traditional bluegrass. I never knew he played steel, bit it fits. He was a chromatic player on 5 strings. Stands to reason he would play on 10. Can anyone recommend some recordings he did on PSG? I still have his banjo instruction book, but could never quite give up Earl's style. Hope Bill shows up soon. Regards......Fred

Jerry Hayes
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posted 04 January 2001 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry Hayes     
I used his 12 string set up as in the Winston/Keith book for a couple of years before I went to the universal and it worked pretty good especially the rock stuff on the low strings. He used the regular 10 string tuning with an E in position 11 and a B in position 12. I believe he lowered the 12th string B to A with pedal 2. I've got a cassette recording I copied of an 8 track which is a Steve Goodman album. It features a lot of Bill Keith's playing on it. It seems he was more known away from the country circles and played on a lot of recordings with a light rock flavor or folk rock as some might call it. Sort of the same kind of career Red Rhodes had.

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Joel Glassman
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posted 05 January 2001 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joel Glassman     
I camped next to him a year and a half ago at a festival. A real coincidence, because I'd been listening to his steel playing on the Blue Velvet Band recording that morning.
The BVB is a nice mix of bluegrass and country from about 1970 with most vocals by Jim Rooney (a great singer-now mostly a producer)The record was just released on CD -maybe in Europe.
His great 'Nobody Knows About My Cares and Nobody Cares About My Nose Rag"
is on there. I asked
Bill about his steel playing. He told me he hasn't played for a long time, mostly because banjo is his main form of expression,
there are so many great steel players, and he was worried about posture bending over the steel. He is a genuinely nice person, and shared a lot of music theory and playing ideas with people all weekend. --Joel


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