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Jason Odd
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posted 23 April 2001 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jason Odd     
In the last couple of weeks I have seen references to the Dance-O-Rama series of Western Swing albums issued by Decca Records.

Adolph Hofner, Dance-O-Rama 1955 Decca
Milton Brown, Dance-O-Rama 1955 Decca 2221
Bob Wills Dance-O-Rama #2 1955 Decca DL-5562 10 inch LP
Spade Cooley, Dance-O-Rama #3 1955 10 Decca DL-5563
Tex Williams, Dance-O-Rama #5 1955 10 Decca DL-5565
Grady Martin, Dance-O-Rama #6 1955 10 Decca DL-5566
Billy Gray Dance-O-Rama #7 1955 10 Decca DL-5567

Grady Martin’s album was recorded by the Nashville session team of Martin (guitar, fiddle), Bud Issacs (pedal steel), Hank Garland (guitar), Bob Moore (bass) and Tommy Jackson on fiddle. Recorded at the Ryman Auditorium. I noticed that in the music section that there was reference to this set and that Red Foley contributed to 'My Window Faces The South,' and maybe other tunes.

Spade Cooley’s 1955 10" LP Decca DL 5563, was credited to Spade Cooley and his Buckle-Busters - Country and Western Dance-O-Rama No. 3. With songs like ‘Y'Ready, Y'Hear,’ ‘Down by the Pecos’ and others.
With Joaquin Murphey on steel, as Noel Boggs left Cooley's group in 1954, so Joaquin played on the sessions, although I don't know if he was Bogg's permanent replacement at the time.

Obviously the Milton Brown material was from the 1930s as he passed away in 1936.
I think Billy Gray had been recording for Decca as early as 1953, he did cut some Decca issued duets with Wanda Jackson around 1954, so I guess he was actually signed to Decca.

Other artists cut Western Swing for Decca (Dave Stogner in 1957), but this 1955 batch seems a pretty amazing set as various artist were on different labels and some of the sessions were specially made of the series while others where old masters.

There was also a compilation of the 1950s material titled WESTERN SWING IN HI-FI(Decca DL 8730).
Basically this record was a 1958 compilation of the 1955 sides, but only featuring material by Bob Wills (San Antonio Rose, Spanish Two Step and Beaumont Rag), Spade Cooley (Y' Ready, The Ping Pong Song and Y' Hear.), Tex Williams (Air Mail Special, The Leaf Of Love and Take The "A" Train.), Billy Gray (Tuxedo Junction, The Bandera Shuffle and Snow Deer.).

Anyone know who played steel for Billy Gray, oh and I almost forgot. The Dance-O-Rama sets where also issued over several EPs for most; if not all the artists.

I don't know if it's just me, but this seems a particuarly ambitious concept for 1955, any thoughts on these recordings at all?

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posted 23 April 2001 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BobbeSeymour     
Yes Jason,I also have every one, I cant express how I tresure this collection. I very deeply admire your taste in music!
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posted 24 April 2001 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mitch Drumm     
all of the 7LPs were also released in the form of two 7" EP's.

i don't know what decca was thinking. considering how hard they are to come by now, they clearly sold poorly. for one thing, the ten inch format was waning by the mid 50s.

i think that is the sainted bobby koefer on the billy gray disc--curtain call is on it at least.

the wills is probably the worst of the lot.



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posted 24 April 2001 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sage     
Thanks, Jason- that's great information. I also have the whole set. Joaquin's playing is still stunning to me- so many incredible rides! I think Bear Family has re-issued some of them, but I don't know which ones. Thanks again, it is great to learn more about the great players behind that effort.


Jason Odd
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posted 24 April 2001 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jason Odd     
Thanks guys, I must admit a total fascination with this set and how on earth it all came together.

Mitch, I've heard a lot of mid 1950s Wills and I'd have to agree with your summation, they lack a certain drive and are basically some of the plainest things he recorded.
Basically anything after 1953 to about 1959 suffers from this... although I haven't heard that live recording from 1958, 'On Stage' or something like that.

I've never seen or heard the Williams set. Spade seems to be the most popular, at least from what I've seen at auctions and on lists, while Billy Gray's seems to be the runner up.
Cooley was probably the most popular of them all thanks to his television show and exposure at the time.
Something I hadn't really thought about was the oncoming demise of the 10 inch format, byt that stage they were near obsolete, good call Mitch.


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posted 24 April 2001 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Herb Steiner     
Jason
Billy Gray's set, which has Curtain Call, Snow Deer, Texas Steel Guitar, Moonlight Cocktail, and others, undoubtedly has Bobby Koefer on steel. I would surmise that Bill Carson is the lead guitarist. The pianist and fiddlers are unknown to me.

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posted 24 April 2001 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dave Van Allen     
Fascinating! another "thing" I never heard of before that will now become an obsession... thanks Jason!!


KEVIN OWENS
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posted 24 April 2001 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KEVIN OWENS     
The Tex Williams Dance-o-Rama is loaded with a lot of great steel and great songs. Is that Joaquin Murphy on that one?

The Bob Wills stuff from the 50's (MGM and Decca, I don't have the Dance-o-Rama on Bob) also has some great steel by Billy Bowman and some by Vance Terry, Gene Crownover and others.

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Jason Odd
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posted 24 April 2001 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jason Odd     
Thanks guys, very interesting.
Regarding Tex, I can only guess that if the recordings were done circa 1954-1955, then Wayne Burdick might have done the steel work.

Kevin, regarding Bob Wills, do you have the 1958 live recording, I believ it might be on the Delta label and that Gene Crownover is the steel player on that set?


Al Johnson
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posted 24 April 2001 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Johnson     
Jason, your are right, I am sure, on Tex
Williams, I'm sure it's Wayne Burdick. I never new why Decca released this great set
but I've always been happy about it and
enjoyed the music. At that time there was
not a whole lot of Western Swing available.
I was in the U S Army when this was released
and I bought it on sight. My favorites were
and are Billy Gray/Spade Cooley/Grady Martin/
Milton Brown/Tex Williams(would have been
better with the orignal Western Caravan.)
When I purchased the set they were only
available on 7" 45 rpm EP. But Decca never
did put any facts on the jacket. So, what's
new. Thanks for the memories. Al



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posted 24 April 2001 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kenny Dail     
It is my understanding that the steeler on the Bob Wills Dance-O-Rama was none other than the great Vance Terry. Correct me if I have been misled.

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Jason Odd
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posted 25 April 2001 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jason Odd     
Kenny, I'm not sure... I suspect it is possible as he was involved in at least one early 1955 session before he left the Texas Playboys.
I imagine that Mitch might have the answer to that one.

Al, I know what you mean, Tex & The Western Caravan were an impressive group.

On another note, Spade Cooley was also involved in a couple of "albums" in the early 1950s, they were more old fashioned in the sense that they were albums that housed a couple of 45s or 78 rpm singles in a sort of booklet.
One was an album of Billy Hill fiddle tunes for RCA, plus a couple of Square dance projects, at least one with Roy Rogers, while another was all Spade's own square dance album, recorded in 1949 with a trim version of his group.
All this goes no way in explaing the Decca project, but I just had to mention it.
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KEVIN OWENS
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posted 25 April 2001 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KEVIN OWENS     
In 1949 Spade also released a 10 in. lp called "Sagebrush Swing" Columbia HL-9007. Songs on the lp are: Devil's Dream; Yodeling Polka; Steel Guitar Rag; Cow Bell Polka; Oklahoma Stomp; Shame on You; Spadella; Three Way Boogie---Joaquin Murphy on steel except "Spadella" that has Noel Boggs.

Jason,
The Bob Wills live Lp is Delta DLP-1149 released in 1982. It was recorded September 28, 1958 in Wichita, Kansas. Musicians are: fiddle & vocal-BOB WILLS; vocals-LEON RAUCSH; fiddle & sax-LOUIS TIERNEY; fiddle & sax-HENRY BOATMAN; sax-GLEN RHEES; drums-WADE PEELER; bass-SON LANSFORD; banjo-JOHNNIE LEE WILLIS; guitar-LUKE WILLS; steel-GENE CROWNOVER
Songs are:
South (instrumental)
The Kind of Love I Can't Forget (Leon)
In the Mood (instrumental)
It's the Bottle Talking (Leon)
Steel Guitar Rag (instrumental)
Silver Bells (instrumental)
Tennessee Waltz (Bob)
Ten Years (Leon)
My Confession (Bob)
San Antonio Rose (Leon)

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Jason Odd
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posted 25 April 2001 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jason Odd     
Hi Kevin, I know of Spade's 1949 album, I see a copy on E-bay every now and then, always out of my price range of course!
I assumed it was all Joaquin, nice to see some Boggs on the set.

I appreciate the info on the Wills live album, it's interesting as Johnnie seems to have revived his own group in Oklahoma for a couple of albums and singles for the Sims label in the early to mid 1960s.

Also, thanks to Joe Goldmark's book I have more details on the 'Dance-O-Rama' set by Adolph Hofner, Dance-O-Rama #4 (Decca DL 5564); with Emil Hofner (steel).


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posted 25 April 2001 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KEVIN OWENS     
Jason
The songs on the "Adolph Hofner" Dance-o-Rama are:
Tickle Toe Song-sung by Pee Wee Maples
Julida Polka-sung in English and Czech
Alamo Rag-instrumental
South TX Swing-instrumental
Country Fair Polka-sung by Adolph
Twilight Waltz-instrumental
South of the Border in Laredo-sung by Eddie Bowers
Happy Go Lucky Polka-sung in English and Czech
It's a pretty good lp not as tight or hot as the Spade stuff.
"Emil" is some times known as "Bash Hofner"


Kevin


Jason Odd
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posted 26 April 2001 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jason Odd     
Kevin, there must be some delay with the email notification, I haven't recieved any emails telling me that you had posted either time, yet I received one for all the other posts. Weird.

Anyway, I popped in and saw you'd posted, thanks. I'll email you some bits I have on Spade's early sides/albums.

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posted 26 April 2001 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gene Jones     
Jason....an interesting bit of trivia that you may already know, is that Spade Cooley was the fiddle player in Jimmy Wakelys' 10 piece band, which was proported to be the first big western-swing band on the west coast. After Wakely was offered a movie contract with Universal, Spade took over the band and it's history is well documented.

But not as well known is that Wakely signed with CBS Radio in 1953 and his show remained #l for six years during the years when Rock music was stifling all other music. There was a compilation record of the radio transcriptions (Western Swing & Pretty Things,Shasta 526) made during that period featuring, Noel Boggs-steel, Bobby Bruce-fiddle, Paul Smith-jazz pianist, Jack Kelleher-Bass(formerly with Tommy Dorsey), Muddy Berry-Drums(formerly with Kay Kyser), and Eddie Carver-Accordian. Some of the best improvisational, live, western-swing & pop music ever recorded is on this LP.

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Gene Jones
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posted 26 April 2001 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gene Jones     
Jason...I forgot to mention that Johnny Lee Wills also recorded at least one of those Delta Albums,recorded July 13-14,1980,(Dance All Night,DLP-1132).

It also had a great list of players: Johnny Lee Wills, John Thomas Wills, Curly Lewis-fiddle, Joe Holly-fiddle, Eldon Shamblin-guitar, Roy Ferguson-guitar, Don Tolle-guitar, Ted Adams-bass, Clarence Cagle-piano, Gene Crownover-steel, Wayne Johnson-clarinet & sax, Glen Rhees-sax, Darrell Holt & Mike Bennett-thrumpet, and James Holley-drums.

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Jason Odd
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posted 26 April 2001 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jason Odd     
Gene, I tip my hat to you once again.
Tex Williams and Spade were with Wakely, although I didn't know that Jimmy's group was that big so early on.
Some of Spade's group also came from the band of Texas Jim Lewis when Jim went into the service in 1942.

Thanks for all the info, but you got my eyes a poppin' when you mentioned Kay Kyser. I just finished an email to a fellow who is finishing off a documentry on Kyser.



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