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Drew Howard Member Posts: 2390 |
posted 18 June 2001 02:36 PM
First: I am no genius on C6, dabbling in it for 4 years now. I've seen lots of big players move their right foot back and forth from the v-pedal to the pedals like buttah. Buttah I ain't. I tend to use both feet on the pedals when playing this tuning, and leave the volume pedal for E9. Is this bad? Drew Howard ------------------ |
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BobbeSeymour Member Posts: 5664 |
posted 18 June 2001 03:02 PM
Do whatever it takes! Use your nose if it gets the chord played! This is a standard move for serious chord players,Very often four pedals and a couple knees will be depressed at one time to acheve the desired chord. Volume "control" is not a primary issue,great chords are. Get off the vol ped when needed and PLAY GREAT STUFF! Bobbe |
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CrowBear Schmitt Member Posts: 6016 |
posted 18 June 2001 03:32 PM
i also use my two feet on C6 and go back and forth toward the volume pedal. i'm just tryin' to play the darn thing and make sense out of it ! Feats don't fail me now ...  |
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Donny Hinson Member Posts: 9192 |
posted 18 June 2001 04:16 PM
I seldom have to do it, due to my unusual pedal set-up. However, I have seen many Pro's do it, and as long as you can make the transition smoothly, I see no harm in it. On fast stuff, I tend to use the volume pedal a lot less anyway. |
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Bobby Lee Sysop Posts: 14849 |
posted 18 June 2001 04:24 PM
I put the boo-wah pedal on LKL. That helps to avoid a lot of two-footed playing. |
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Drew Howard Member Posts: 2390 |
posted 18 June 2001 05:05 PM
Bobbe, Thanks for your reply. I really like your "music-first" attitude. cheers, ------------------ |
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Larry Bell Member Posts: 4116 |
posted 18 June 2001 05:20 PM
I put P6 on a knee lever -- both on my S-12 universal guitars and my D-10 -- since I combine it with more other pedals. I get all the common combinations (that I'm aware of) with one foot. It's one way to go -- and one I especially recommend for U-12 players. b0b, LTB [This message was edited by Larry Bell on 18 June 2001 at 05:24 PM.] |
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Mike Cass Member Posts: 546 |
posted 18 June 2001 05:34 PM
I have a pic somewhere of one Buddy Emmons,mashing all 5 pedals by turning both of his feet sideways. It was a heck of a chord too...  [This message was edited by Mike Cass on 18 June 2001 at 05:36 PM.] |
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Bobby Lee Sysop Posts: 14849 |
posted 18 June 2001 05:36 PM
I didn't help with those combinations, Larry, but it helped a lot on those circle of fifths progressions that alternate between P5 and P8. Keep in mind that I'm still a beginner on C6th... |
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John Bresler Member Posts: 607 |
posted 18 June 2001 06:13 PM
I tend to use both feet when necessary, but I'm no real pro on C6th. However, I remember seeing Billie Cooper (Coop) using both feet placed sideways and pulling strings behind the bar. He was one great player. |
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Ernie Renn Member Posts: 2657 |
posted 18 June 2001 06:47 PM
Drew; I frequently use both feet on C6. Pedals 5 and 7 together are almost a main-stay. Jumping off the volume pedal and back gets easier with practice. There will be a few times, in the beginning, when you will either leave the pedal without enough volume or get a big volume swell when you come back to it. It's all part of finding the right feel for it. I also have an E9 change on the 8th pedal. So I jump off for that, too. Use whatever foot feels the best to you. ------------------ |
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Richard Sinkler Member Posts: 2896 |
posted 18 June 2001 08:35 PM
A few years ago, I took P8 (boo whatever) and moved it to LKL. At the same time, I also moved P7 to RKR. This has almost eliminated two foot playing for me. |
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Drew Howard Member Posts: 2390 |
posted 18 June 2001 09:25 PM
Before I received my new Fessenden D10, Jerry had the C6 pedals 4,5,6,7,8 switched to (I think) 4,6,5,7,8 so that pedals 6,5 and 5,7 could be mashed with one (left) foot. I had him switch the pedals, but might switch them back. Anybody else switch their C6 pedals? Drew ------------------ |
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chas smith Member Posts: 3168 |
posted 18 June 2001 11:30 PM
Joaquin Murphey never used a volume pedal, he had both feet on the pedals |
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Paul Graupp Member Posts: 3199 |
posted 19 June 2001 07:08 AM
Drew: I began pedals in Europe and had the Day set up on E9th. As I learned changes for C6th, I just put them down to suit myself and they came out backwards. Instead of 5-6-7-8, I had 8-7-6-5. When I got my new Carter D-12 a few years ago I went to the Emmons set-up on E9th and mastered it easily enough. The 6th neck was also changed to a standard configuration but Best Regards, Paul |
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Al Marcus Member Posts: 7471 |
posted 19 June 2001 09:19 PM
Bobbe- Oh so right! Back before knee levers, we had both feet on the pedals lots of times. On my old Gibson 6 pedal Electra-harp I covered 5-6 with left foot and P7 (maj 7), and a 7-9-13 Pedal with my right foot. Now with all the new Knees, Richard ,I also put the P8 on LLK and P7 on RRK, and left foot on P 5 and 6. I put that 4th string A to Ab on the 4th pedal next to P5, (instead of a knee)as it is usually used together for an augmented(Curly used that a lot). Just about eliminates moving the foot. However that Pedal 7 is faster on the floor and in that case, maybe we should have it on the floor AND a Knee.?.....al |
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Richard Sinkler Member Posts: 2896 |
posted 20 June 2001 09:33 AM
Al, I too have also thought of having pedal 7 on both a knee and floor pedal. I'm not real sure if I will though. On A - Ab change, I'm not real sure what it is used for and haven't played around with it much. I screwed up when I had my guitar built and had Carter put put the Ab's on right knee toward the back of the guitar and it is difficult for me to hit. Are there any reasons this change could not be put on P4? I guess I actually do play with two feet. On my current setup, my pedal 9 and the knee (old pedal 7) I get a G Dobro tuning on strings 3 - 8. I have pedal 8 that lowers the G string to an F to give me a 7th for the dobro. I take my foot off the volume pedal after I set my volume and use my right foot on these pedals. This forces me to get my dynamics from picking attack and not a volume pedal. |
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Doug Seymour Member Posts: 785 |
posted 20 June 2001 10:16 AM
Back in 1973 met Les Swanson from Carlton MN & I had just put C6 P7 on my RKL. He liked it & eventually had me put it on his D10 MSA, but he did leave it on the floor also. If I had continued to play C6 w/both feet by now I'd certainly be used to it. The easy way out is not always the best. There's no better way to play 5 & 6 w/your left foot & 7 with your right, all things considered, than with both of those feet! As I recall meeting Jerry Byrd in 1949 @ WLW, he didn't use a volume pedal. Come to think of it I don't think he was using any other pedals either! I must have got that idea from Alvino Rey, out of somewhere before Bud Isaac came "Slowly" out of Nashville so we all had to do it! [This message was edited by Doug Seymour on 20 June 2001 at 10:20 AM.] |
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Al Marcus Member Posts: 7471 |
posted 20 June 2001 11:30 AM
Richard- That A to Ab pull, gives you that same sound as E9 A Pedal going down to B then hitting your Bb knee, Usually a LVK. A very commonly used phrase on E9. Why I put it on Pedal 4 on C6 is you can use it the same way and it works good with P5 right next to it. You strike P4 then no pedal then P5, pick one string lower. The way that I heard Curly use it was hit P4 and P5, together one fret up from the dom.7th you are going to then slide back a fret and hold P5 but release p4. A nice jazz aug 11th sound there. I just hated to waste a knee on it as I have more important pulls on my Knees. But it does work good on P4. Doug- You old Pro, you do remember when we played without a foot volume control. I used to have a Tone And Volume control right by my little finger. I could pick and curl my little finger around either one when I wanted. I wish they would put them on today's guitars again, right in the same spot. I don't know why they don't on pedal guitars, they do it on Lap steels, non pedal guitars, etc. How come not on Pedal steels?? As you guys mentioned, a lot of the Big Pros put both feet on the pedals when playing C6, especially for jazz tunes. Doug , you and I are going to start showing our ages. We both remembered Alvino Rey, the Father of Pedal steel. [This message was edited by Al Marcus on 20 June 2001 at 11:34 AM.] |
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Harry Hess Member Posts: 1131 |
posted 20 June 2001 07:51 PM
My pedal 4 raises only my 4th string A to B. I use that with the 5th pedal when ever I can get away with it (instead of 5&7). I don't hear anybody talking about 6&7 together. That's a very usefull combo also. There's no way around learning to play with two feet. Making yourself do it on gig's is gonna develop your ability at it much faster than working on it at home. Regards, |
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Jeff Lampert Member Posts: 2636 |
posted 20 June 2001 10:50 PM
quote: [This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 20 June 2001 at 10:52 PM.] |
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Jeff Peterson Member Posts: 822 |
posted 21 June 2001 08:55 PM
What's good about playing with both feet is, 1/2 the time if you miss the pedal you were going for, you end up making a way cooler chord than you were after in the first place. If it ain't, just give a disgusting look at the bass player...or mouth the word 'jazz' at the crowd. They'll get it...and dismiss the rest of the band as slackers. You'll be cool either way... |
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