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Dave Seddon Member Posts: 319 |
posted 27 February 2001 12:45 PM
I am about to re-string my steel again, I usually wind the string under the machine head, (anticlockwise),is this wrong or not, does it have any effect on the guitar at all. Any advice welcome. Dave. ------------------ |
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Jerry Roller Member Posts: 3906 |
posted 27 February 2001 07:44 PM
Dave, the accepted customary way is to wind them over the top, clockwise to tighten the tension. You can do it like you stated if you prefer it and if you are accustomed to tuning them that way. It is quite possible that the first and last string might rub the nut end of the keyhead which could cause some problems with the strings moving freely over the nut rollers. You need to watch out for that. If you are not really set in your mind how to do it I would suggest you come over the top of the keys. Jerry |
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Shaan Shirazi Member Posts: 210 |
posted 27 February 2001 07:45 PM
Herb Steiner vociferously scolded me for stringing my steel that way, I am a changed man now. ------------------ |
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C Dixon Member Posts: 5912 |
posted 28 February 2001 03:52 PM
By all means, do wind the string OVER the key peg (instead of under it), and here is why. Even though there is only a small difference in the angle of the string from peg to nut roller (winding it under the peg), it increases "hysterisis" quite a bit. For those of you who have NO idea what hysterisis* is with regard to a PSG, it is the following phenomenon on a Keyed guitar: When a string is raised and released and then lowered and released it will come back sharp. It could do just the reverse depending on which procedure was first, in initially tuning the pedals and knee levers. In this case it will come back flat after the string is raised. It is the string between nut roller and keypeg that is not completely coming back after a pedal or knee lever enagagement is released. So by winding under the peg instead of over it, you increase the tendency of this annoying problem. God bless you in whatever you do, carl * An additional piece of help with regard to strings not coming back to pitch due to hysterisis. Try as best you can to make sure the string pulls over the nut roller in a straight line as sighted along the strings path from bridge to nut. Any sideways bend from nut to keypeg can exacerbate the problem. Youn can achieve this "straight" pull by adding or subtracting wraps around the keypeg as necessary. Smaller strings will require more wraps than larger ones. [This message was edited by C Dixon on 28 February 2001 at 03:57 PM.] |
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Dan Tyack Member Posts: 3552 |
posted 28 February 2001 04:29 PM
Dave if you are in the Northern hemisphere winding from the top is correct, however if you are in the Southern hemisphere you need to wind from the bottom. It has to do with the rotation of the earth. Or maybe sunspots, I can't remember. ------------------ |
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Bob Mainwaring Member Posts: 918 |
posted 28 February 2001 09:12 PM
Hi there Dave, There might just be a little bit of truth in some of the above good "come-backs" to your question. Another thing that might be worth considering is it`s placing more "sideways" strain on the roller nut in winding more onto the roller radius thereby stressing the particular roller and the return roller movement. Normaly I wind the string on a minimum of four times with the string lining up in a more straightened angle to the roller thereby lessening sideways torque. Bob Mainwaring Z.Bs. and other weird things. ------------------ |
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John Fabian Member Posts: 900 |
posted 01 March 2001 02:41 AM
Try this slide show -- it should answer most of your questions: http://www.steelguitarinfo.com/strings/changeslideshow/scindex.html John Fabian 1-800-969-7332 orders (accessories and steels) [This message was edited by John Fabian on 04 March 2001 at 02:16 PM.] |
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Larry Bell Member Posts: 4116 |
posted 01 March 2001 07:01 AM
Killer grafix, as always, John. A picture's worth a thousand words. So is a slide show worth a million???? You guys are great. Keep up the good work. Maybe one of these days I'll actually buy a guitar from you. LTB |
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Dave Seddon Member Posts: 319 |
posted 01 March 2001 10:45 AM
Thank you all for your replies, I have been playing Steel for about thirty years and until recently joining the Forum I had no idea there was so much to playing Steel. I don't mean the "Pickin'& Slidin", I mean all this technical stuff. Not just your replies to my questions, but looking through previous subjects you have all at one time or another either raised or replied to. Once again thank you all, and long may the FORUM continue. DAVE. ------------------ |
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Don McClellan Member Posts: 882 |
posted 02 March 2001 10:47 AM
The very best way to wind your strings is not at all. Go keyless. |
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Jim Bob Sedgwick Member Posts: 1234 |
posted 02 March 2001 05:20 PM
Yeah, What Don Said. Keyless equals a shorter guitar (read stronger) when it comes to body drop or raise (it practically eliminates this problem). String hysteresis no longer is a problem. Pedal action shorter (you may or may not like this, however it can be changed to suit you) Less string breakage (pulling shorter string equals not having to pull it as far to acheive the raise or lower) KEYLESS RULES. Just my .02 worth.  |
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Dave Burton Member Posts: 213 |
posted 05 March 2001 10:17 PM
Dan T you crack me up, as for keyless its the only way to go,IMHO Dave |
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