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Matt Dawson Member Posts: 226 |
posted 08 March 2001 05:59 AM
Some years ago Holger Czukay from Koln Germany gave me a steel made in Germany. It had some innovative ideas but unfortunately had mechanical problems. It was an ABM. Was this a real company or was it a one off built by someone? Any German collegues know of this make? Thanks Matt |
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Tele Member Posts: 965 |
posted 08 March 2001 08:32 AM
Hi Matt haven't seen one in person but I read that these were Sho~Bud clones. There was some cooperation with Framus someday..but it is a real brand. Do you have a pic? And ------------------ |
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Martin Abend Member Posts: 878 |
posted 08 March 2001 12:21 PM
Hi Matt, ABM is somewhat of a running gag between Pedal-Steelers in Germany. A few years ago when I was shopping for a steel, EVERYBODY I had contact with over here told me one thing: DON'T BUY AN ABM. Most German Pedal Steelers started with that brand (mostly with a "Rodeo") but sold it as soon as it arrived at their homes, because even in a new condition it refused to stay in tune so I was told many times. One fellow told me that ABM uses a changer designed by Framus in the 50ies. It's really unbelievable that these guitars are still being build without any improvement. And they're not cheap! Usually I don't badmouth stuff I don't know personally, but if everyone tells you the same story... But there are two other manufacturers in Germany I've heard good things about - Jagiella and WBM. The builder of the latter one is also a forum member, If my memory serves me well, his name is Wolfgang Bednarz. (sorry, Wolfgang!) Funny that you know Holger. I was born in Köln and lived there for most of my live and I saw him many times. He really is an exceptional musician. Man, this CAN stuff is still great. I whish I could have been part of that scene back then, but I was born in `72... Andy, there is a D-10 Pro II for sale in Germany. The seller asks 4000 DM. If you're interested, check out the classifieds at http://www.artists-online.de ------------------ [This message was edited by Martin Abend on 08 March 2001 at 12:24 PM.] |
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Matt Dawson Member Posts: 226 |
posted 08 March 2001 01:03 PM
Thanks for the info guys. Martin, you hit the nail on the head about the tuning.... When I mentioned the mechanical problems that was what I meant. I no longer have it as I took it apart and used the parts to build a telescope drive system! (No joke). I used it for a while to try out different setups etc but it just WOULDNT play in tune, which led me to buy my MSA, so the story has a happy ending. Thks for the info. Matt |
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Tele Member Posts: 965 |
posted 08 March 2001 11:59 PM
I just found an old LP cover that shows an ABM D-10...hard to see but I think the changer is a Fingertip. I don't think that Framus developed a changer, I guess it is a Sho~Bud clone, not very well made....  Martin, thanks for the link...right now I'm pretty happy with my stuff, the 66 Fingertip is exactly what I was looking for. Btw, I have "discovered" a few steels f/s in Germany, very cheap...if interested email me direct. Would be off-topic here Andy ------------------ |
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Martin Abend Member Posts: 878 |
posted 09 March 2001 01:20 AM
Andy, check your email... Matt, did you work with Czukay or with other musicians of CAN? ------------------ |
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Matt Dawson Member Posts: 226 |
posted 09 March 2001 01:59 AM
Hi Martin, I lived in Dusseldorf in the late 70s and got to know the guys in Koln pretty well (Im 42 now so I was pretty young then!). I think I must have gigged with Jaki Liebezeit (one of my favourite drummers) and also with Jumpy Zerlett a few times but for various reasons best not mentioned, that period is somewhat murky! My brother Julian with whom I am currently touring cut a couple of albums at the Can studio in Weilerswist with Jackie,ex-Can ex-Traffic bassist Rosko Gee, and Rene Tinner producing (that was in the late in the 80s). Rosko went with him to Nashville to cut another one I think. I hung out with the Can guys a fair bit back then but have not seen them for years.The music is still great though. Holger was doing 'samples' in the 70s by cutting out little squares of tape and reinserting them in other places! His 'Persian Love' on the album' Movies' is one of the most lovely pieces of music ever recorded(in my opinion).I visited Holger at home about five years ago and he has this amazing set up with old Brennel valve compressors and wierd stuff built by Marconi and Pathé etc. Cool.Very 'eigenartig' chap. Matt |
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Matt Dawson Member Posts: 226 |
posted 09 March 2001 03:22 AM
Matin, If you are in Koln, Holger is often to be found in the bar of the Chelsea Hotel. Matt |
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SmallCap Member Posts: 70 |
posted 09 March 2001 05:27 AM
Since I am a Newbie, i can't tell you a lot of differences between guitars. When I decided to start steelin', I first searched for somebody who played the instrument and was willing to give me lessons. I found that somebody in Johannes Krayer in Frankfurt. I needed help in buyin a steel and he just got a new Jagiella S10. Before that he played a Sho-Bud with both necks. I waited whether he was satisfied with the instrument and then got myself a used Jagiella. Again - dont have the background to compare guitars - but from the way that instrument is built - how it stays in tune and how solid it looks - I am fully satisfied. I've seen a ABM in a local Band - it is played by a good steeler, so it sure sounds better than me on my Jagiella - but if you put both guitars beside each other and i just had to buy by eyesight - I'd always take mine. Just my two cents worth Roland |
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Martin Abend Member Posts: 878 |
posted 09 March 2001 06:00 AM
Matt, that's really interesting! Jaki is also one of my favourite drummers. Man, I'd just love to hang out with you on your gig in Berlin, but I'm pretty sure I can't be there... damn! Roland, how did you find you Jagiella and how much did you pay for it? I talked to Mr. Jagiella on the phone while I was shopping and he told me horror stories about american guitars and how hard it would be to get spare parts. If I'd have had the money to buy a guitar from him I'd have done that most possibly. Haven't had any problems so far with my Sierra
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SmallCap Member Posts: 70 |
posted 10 March 2001 12:48 AM
Martin, I got the used one directly from Andreas Jagiella himself. I talked to him about a new one and told me I had to wait for five to six month to get it. After 9 months with the guitar I can just say, that I am satisfied with this deal. |
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Sage Member Posts: 525 |
posted 10 March 2001 09:45 PM
Hello across the ocean! I'm hearing you talk about steels I've never heard of before. (I have a Framus classical so I've heard of them). Could you folks toss out the names of all of the small steel guitar builders in Europe that you can think of, please? I bet those of us on this side of the Atlantic would be suprised- Thanks. ------------------ |
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Max Laine Member Posts: 287 |
posted 11 March 2001 12:45 AM
From Germany: ABM, Framus, Jagiella, WBM, Hofner From Sweden (?): AWH From Great Britain: Bennett, Burns and the mysterious Mustang that was on ebay couple of days back, could be built by Bennett... Others? [This message was edited by Max Laine on 11 March 2001 at 12:45 AM.] |
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Johan Jansen Member Posts: 2207 |
posted 11 March 2001 02:18 AM
DeVis pedal steel, made by Jan Visser the Netherlands Good steelguitars (Have the looks of an Emmons, good mechanics,sounds OK!) Wiesner, was made in Switserland. The guy that developed it died a few years ago, I believe Jean Yves Lozach (France) is taking care of bussines now. Made like a Swiss Watch, best I ever seen, plays like a dream, sounds good, very expensive. JJ ------------------ |
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Tele Member Posts: 965 |
posted 11 March 2001 06:47 AM
Riattone/Dooley Lightronic by Frans Doolard(Holland)...very strange thing Andy |
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Damir Besic Member Posts: 2326 |
posted 12 March 2001 05:24 AM
I know about a person who makes a p/p guitars (Emmons klon)in Srbia.I don`t know anything about these guitars,they are supposed to be very good instruments.D-10,p/p is about $2800. ------------------ [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 12 March 2001 at 05:28 AM.] |
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