posted 29 April 2001 02:14 PM         

The LeGrande I, II and III. It is interesting to note that the I and the II were not named until after the III came into being. Probably just for indentification purposes AFTER the fact.

Starting backwards, there is NO difference between a II and a III, except for the optional "counter force" compensator* on one or both necks. In other words, if you have a late model Emmons and it has NO counterforce option installed on either or both necks, it is a II. If it does it is a III.

The LeGrande I did not last long. It was Emmons' first all-pull guitar introduced sometime in the 80's I believe. It was a shorter guitar than the LeGrande II or III. And was not referred to as a LeGrande I until after the III came out. The key head on this original Legrande was also smaller.

One identifying feature of this LeGrande I was the changer fingers were supported between each finger all the way along the axle.

One other thing. The LeGrande I and early II's used four hole bellcranks on the crossrods. After the II was out for a while, Emmons' came out with their 14 hole bellcranks. All Emmons now use these fantastic bellcranks. IMHO, THE single greatest imporovement to the PSG since its inception,

Other than the above, the I's II's and III's are pretty much the same,

carl

posted 29 April 2001 03:12 PM         

Am I not right...
Thanks

posted 30 April 2001 05:36 AM         

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There were four models of LeGrande guitars, not three! Name them!

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posted 30 April 2001 11:03 AM         

You are both correct. I was attempting to "KISS" my answer (Keep It Simple Stupid). And as such I still maintain that basically there are three LeGrandes, I, II and III. After years of being an instuctor I have learned that answers which take too many "IF's" and detours are more confusing to the person asking the question than keeping the answer simple. Most people are NOT interested in covering ALL the bases when they ask questions.

Bobby you are right, all official LeGrande II's had the 14 hole bellcranks. However all Lashley LeGrande's (which is what I purchased) had 4 hole bellcranks. Many of us refer to our guitars as II's today strictly as an identifying feature. Incidently, I replaced all the 4 hole bell cranks with 14 hole cranks years ago. So to me it is in every respect a II.

Thanks to Bobby and Bobbe for pointing out errors in my post.

b0bby, I have heard that the Emmons' was the first to use the "allen split" screws. Not talking about the P-P guitar Buddy had modified with split capability. I do not know for sure if any one used the allen screw type split before Emmons' LeGrande. Of course the second raise rod type of "split" had been use long before the allen screw type.

Incidently, my Excel will have Both types of splitting on the SAME string in at least one case. WHY? In JI, I have a need for two different pitches using the split. I can accomplish this easily with using one of each type split!!

God bless you all,

carl

posted 03 May 2001 08:59 PM         

So... would you say this is, in fact, a Legrande II, but built and sold before the new "Legrande II" decals came out? Thanks for the help on this.
Jim

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posted 03 May 2001 10:59 PM         

The second one (Dave's is the first), originally owned by Weldon, is now owned by Marty Muse. It was owned by Rick Price and Jim Loessberg before Marty got his clutches on it.

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