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Bill Ford Member Posts: 1724 |
posted 07 August 2001 06:10 AM
HELP!!!! I am in the process of refinishing my S12 and need to know what kind/brand of dye to use to get a bright color,red is 1st choice. I tried a stain and it turned out a beautiful shade of pink(not my color),as usual any help will be greatly appriceated(sp).Also I use S.W. water white furniture laquer to topcoat,is there something better/easer? Bill Ford ------------------ |
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Robert Member Posts: 246 |
posted 07 August 2001 06:24 AM
Bill: As you seem set on using a dye, rather than a lacquer - I'll tell you to use an aniline dye. Brand? Ask at the paint store, but go to a contractor's paint store and they'll not only have the dye - they'll know how to use it. I used it once to stain a guitar rack I made - a very deep, almost cranberry red. Well, the rack looked great. But I had dumbied up and not used rubber gloves and my hands were as red as the rack! Dishwashing liquid worked where many solvents had failed - scary. Use gloves!!! Rob [This message was edited by Robert on 07 August 2001 at 06:25 AM.] |
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Jim Smith Member Posts: 6399 |
posted 07 August 2001 06:49 AM
Back in the old Dekley days we used leather dye to stain maple. It's available in many colors and gives a nice consistent finish.  We sprayed polyurethane over the maple but I'm not sure how easy that would be to do for a "home" finisher.------------------ |
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Bill Rowlett Member Posts: 664 |
posted 07 August 2001 07:31 AM
One of my Emmon's push pulls is refinished with red leather dye. It looks great. Bill |
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Duane Becker Member Posts: 382 |
posted 07 August 2001 08:02 AM
About the S-12, is it a Sho-Bud that you are refinishing? If so, I can give you info on the Sho-Bud finishing procedure. Duane Becker |
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Jerry Roller Member Posts: 3906 |
posted 07 August 2001 08:17 AM
Leather dye is the answer. However, the wood will forever be that color, never can you get the color out of the wood. If the guitar has wood inlay trim the first step is to mask around the inlay very carefully and spray several coats of sealer on the inlay to protect if from the dye. Leave the sealer alone until the dye is on the guitar then you can carefully sand the inlay to clean off whatever dye is in the sealer and expose the inlay. Then you can seal and finish the cabinet. Jerry |
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Bill Ford Member Posts: 1724 |
posted 07 August 2001 07:15 PM
Thanks to all,I am not set on dye,just need to know which process is the best.I have some experience at furniture refinishing etc and spray equipment,this is my atempt at color.
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Rex Blattenberger Member Posts: 85 |
posted 07 August 2001 08:25 PM
You can go to www.stewmac.com and get Red stain that goes on after the wood is sealed. You can also call them and they will tell you how to do it. |
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CHIP FOSSA Member Posts: 2536 |
posted 08 August 2001 06:41 AM
For a beautiful, deep orangey tone, try amber shellac [a.k.a 3lb Orange]. The more coats you apply, the darker it becomes. Can be applied before, or after, or layered with polyurethanes. Will also darken any stain that is already in the wood. Can be found at any good hardware/home center [This message was edited by CHIP FOSSA on 08 August 2001 at 06:43 AM.] |
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Rick Johnson Member Posts: 727 |
posted 08 August 2001 08:08 AM
Bill Look in Stewart Mcdonald's website. Rick ------------------ |
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Dennis Detweiler Member Posts: 1700 |
posted 08 August 2001 03:14 PM
I never tried it, but was told that food coloring works good also??? Dennis |
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Chris DeBarge Member Posts: 811 |
posted 08 August 2001 06:15 PM
Bill, Try the Guitar ReRanch: http://www.reranch.com Lots of info, and he sells cool refin stuff too. |
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guitars New Member Posts: 3 |
posted 09 August 2001 08:47 AM
Thanks Chris for the mention. I wrote a new article on finishing with aniline dyes and added it to the site on Monday. Hope it helps. Bill.... http://reranch.august.net/dyes.html |
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Bill Ford Member Posts: 1724 |
posted 10 August 2001 07:00 PM
Checked out the reranch website and there is a wealth of info there,again thanks to all for the help. Bill Ford ------------------ |
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Bill Ford Member Posts: 1724 |
posted 20 August 2001 06:34 PM
Well,I did it a beautiful dark red(sort of cranberry)red leather dye was what I used clear laquer topcoat,hope to have it finished in a week or so,will post pictures if I can figger out how,again thanks to everyone. Bill ------------------ |
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Dan Dowd Member Posts: 533 |
posted 21 August 2001 07:33 AM
You can also use transparent laquer. I used a red that is a Lincoln Town Car Candy Apple color with out the base coat and the wood grain shows thru great. The more coats the darker it gets. It is available in greens, blues etc. Check at your local automotive paint store. I think it might be longer lasting as to color retention than the dyes which change with age. I will let you know in about 15 years or so if this is true. |
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Jerry Roller Member Posts: 3906 |
posted 21 August 2001 04:05 PM
I refinished a '77 Emmons woodbody about 5 years ago and used red leather dye and waterwhite lacquer and waterwhite sealer. It has not faded any at all. It is still absolutely beautiful as some of the guys on the forum could tell you. In 1957 I customized a new Ford and painted it candy apple burgandy which was a basecoat of course metallic and about 25 coats of clear lacquer toner. It had to be mixed so that you could see the bottom of a gallon can of the toner, clear lacquer mixture. I won several first place trophies with that car at custom car shows. In two years the color had faded out so badly that I painted the car black with some candy green scallops on it and it won some more trophies. I can promise (whoops, two strong a word), almost promise you that the leather dye will hold the color for many many years. I would avoid leaving any lacquer guitar set up in direct sunlight any more than necessary. Jerry |
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Bill Ford Member Posts: 1724 |
posted 22 August 2001 01:58 PM
Jerry, I'm familar with candy colors of which you speak,if you don't keep them clean,cared for,and covered,it is a waste of time doing it,unless you like lots of work,I was afraid to try it on wood tho.Next time maybe. Bill Ford ------------------ |
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Robert Member Posts: 246 |
posted 24 August 2001 10:16 AM
Then the problem with clear-coat lacquers: they yellow with age, which can look good, but it changes the appearance of the color coat - hence old white Fenders that are now more of a cream or pale yellow, or reds that go orange, etc. Rob |
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Jerry Roller Member Posts: 3906 |
posted 24 August 2001 01:59 PM
The waterwhite lacquer will not turn yellow. At least it is not supposed to. Jerry |
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