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Bill Fall Member Posts: 188 |
posted 15 August 2001 07:51 AM
This was my 1st steel, bought used in 1983 (formerly owned by Jeff Patterson of Cabin Fever), & I'd never part with it. I've got no idea when it was built -- can't even find a serial number on it. I'd love to know something about the history of this model: What years was it in production? |
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Duane Becker Member Posts: 382 |
posted 15 August 2001 08:32 AM
Bill, About your Sho-Bud, its just about impossible to use the serial numbers on the Sho-Buds to get the date. Just after or during the late days that Sho-Bud was producing a pedal steel for Fender, the idea for the Super Pro came. Designed by David Jackson, it was the first thin body pedal steel that Sho-Bud ever made. Duane Marrs and Paul Franklin Sr., built the first prototype and several of them as well. This was around 1978. The 1978 catalog first listed the Super-Pro. Duane Marrs tells me that the first couple of Super-Pros had real bad cabinet drop, but this problem was corrected and soon after, the cabinet drop was minimum. Wood or Metal necks. The Fender/Sho-Bud design was used in the changer as well as the hex cross shafts of the Super Pro. Duane Becker |
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Bill Fall Member Posts: 188 |
posted 15 August 2001 09:00 AM
Thanks so much, Duane, for the very informative background. That was really enlightening. I've carried around the impression all these years that mine is probably a 1979 model. I guess the only way I can know for sure is to track down Jeff Patterson & ask him. |
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Gene Jones Member Posts: 5796 |
posted 15 August 2001 09:36 AM
* [This message was edited by Gene Jones on 02 May 2002 at 01:40 PM.] |
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BobbeSeymour Member Posts: 5664 |
posted 15 August 2001 01:06 PM
Duane Becker, You slick talkin' rascal! Yes you are correct on all counts. I had # 1 and #6 in the beginning and this guitar was created because of my insistance to David Jackson that he create an "Emmons fighter" as most pros were going to Emmons at this time and size and weight were becomming a big issue. #6 Super Pro has led a very famous life and is now on the road with Gary Allen, Played by Mike Fried. When it was black, it was on the cover of the Mel Bay instruction book by Scotty, which was who I sold it to in 1977. The neck switch is between the necks and was built with it there as per my request to David. The guitar was refinished -burnt orange and cream- in 1999 by me. Super -Pros, ya gotta'love em'.------Bobbe |
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Al Udeen Member Posts: 1164 |
posted 15 August 2001 03:09 PM
And I thought I had the first one? When I was Sho-Bud Product Mgr, For Gretsch 75-80 We introduced what I thought was the first one, at the NAMM show in Chicago in 77, I wound up with that Super-Pro, a week later, & played it for 16 yrs, It was black w/wood necks 8&6 Increadible tone! Ser# 13124 ,If I have to take second to anyone, Bobbe, let it be you! > Al Udeen |
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chas smith Member Posts: 3168 |
posted 15 August 2001 03:27 PM
I have 13125. I was told it was originally made for Ralph Mooney, but he hated it, so Red Rhodes got it, and he hated it, so I bought it from him in 1979, when he had his shop on Cahuenga Blvd. in Hollywood. |
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rayman unregistered Posts: 3168 |
posted 15 August 2001 07:49 PM
Hey Bobbe, we just opened for Gary Allen and Mike showed me that Super Pro. Real nice looking and it sounded great. What a small world. Never knew that you owned it at one time. We are trully a small community. |
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Martin Weenick Member Posts: 294 |
posted 16 August 2001 02:09 AM
Al Udeen. I ordered a new SHO-BUD LDG in 1978 or 1979 (?) I believe it was made in Cinn. Ohio. I may be wrong there. I do remember when the guitar was finished it could not be shipped for another 10 days because of real heavy snowfall. Were you there at that time? Do you remember anything about that? I have never seen snow. I wish I still had that guitar,as the only thing left now is pictures. Martin. |
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Bill Fall Member Posts: 188 |
posted 16 August 2001 06:20 AM
Just a couple of questions still: 1. Where is the serial # hidden? Looked all over the undercarriage & couldn't find one. 2. Duane says Super Pros were introduced in 1978. But Al Udeen says it was 1977. And Bobbe says he sold his in 1977. Is '77 correct? And when did they stop making this model? (Okay, so that's really 2-1/2 questions!) |
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Duane Becker Member Posts: 382 |
posted 16 August 2001 08:26 AM
Bill, this is a error on my part as far as the year. Its 1977. And the serial number was usually stamped on the end plate, under the steel on the keyhead end. Thanks Duane Becker |
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Al Udeen Member Posts: 1164 |
posted 16 August 2001 03:42 PM
Martin! At the time you are talking about, all Sho-Buds were made in Nashville, at Music city Manufacturing, on 2nd ave, They were all shipped to Gretsch, in Cincinatti, although a few of them were sold at the retail store on Broadway, "this is a touchy story, but no big deal" In 76 I was no longer in Cincinatti, & fortunately I returned to Mn. where I was a 5 state rep, selling all Gretsch,Baldwin, & Sho-Bud products, & also continued to do Promo work,at The NAMM shows, Scottys show & some travel doing the Sho-Bud seminars in various music stores! Bottom Line is, the Super-Pro was introduced in 77, & I got my black one in June of that year & a walnut one that I had on order before we introduced them, a week later! I hope this, at least answers some questions! Al Udeen |
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chas smith Member Posts: 3168 |
posted 16 August 2001 06:29 PM
Al or Bobbe, would either of you gentlemen know what was the serial number of Super-Pro #1? |
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Al Udeen Member Posts: 1164 |
posted 16 August 2001 09:57 PM
My guess would be #13123 |
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Jerry Roller Member Posts: 3906 |
posted 16 August 2001 10:24 PM
While you guys are on this ShoBud subject would someone tell me when the Pro III was first built? thanks, Jerry |
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Martin Weenick Member Posts: 294 |
posted 17 August 2001 12:38 AM
Al Udeen. Thanks Al. That does clear up my question. I still kick myself for selling that LDG.Martin. ------------------ |
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chas smith Member Posts: 3168 |
posted 17 August 2001 12:18 PM
Al, thank you. Well, #3 doesn't resemble what it looked like when it left the factory. It has Kline keyless tuners, solid aluminum tooling plate necks, brass fingers on the E9 neck and aluminum fingers on the C6, EMG pickups in the bridge position and Emmons pickups in the neck position and each neck has been machined and tapped for MIDI pickups and the 10-32 bolts that hold the necks to the end plate are now 1/4-20. And an original Ed Roth Rat Fink decal, so much for history. |
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BobbeSeymour Member Posts: 5664 |
posted 18 August 2001 06:37 PM
Chas, the Ed Roth Rat Fink decal is the only mod that I approve of! The first Sho-Bud Pro-III was deliverd May 6th, 1974, to Jerry Dean Goodwin, of Madison Tn. Single Lower, Double raise, 8-4.Black with Black diamond inlay with Maple background. Assy, by david Jackson and Pat Murphy. This was also the photo guitar in the first Kustom Grestch Sho-Bud catalog. It had Mavrick fret boards. Necks were cast by "Perfection Moulders" of Goodlettsville Tn.(as were all the other castings).How do I know this? I was there when it happend and wrote it down in my session book as I wasn't working 'till 6 pm that evening.This was a large event to me as I thought it would be the only one ever built. I didn't have much of a life that day! Bobbe |
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