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Ron Page Member Posts: 4390 |
posted 14 December 2001 05:11 PM
I've got a 7-year-old Lashley LeGrande II that has the tuning keys with no visible brand label. The problem is that, due to the thickness of the headstock, some of the keys only grip by a thread or two and eventually strip out. I can put them on without the chrome washer, but that looks bad and I only do it while the new key is in the mail... I've replaced some with Grovers -- per Jack Strayhorn's advice-- and they seem to grab by more threads and not strip out. I'm going to replace them all and I see Emmons offers both Schaller ($15) and Grover ($10). Since the Grovers seem to solve the problem I was going to get them. Any recommendations? ------------------ |
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Tim Rowley Member Posts: 957 |
posted 14 December 2001 08:17 PM
Ron, From a pragmatic point of view, if the Grovers seem to work better for this application and they are cheaper than the Schallers, then by all means get the Grovers IMHO. Grover tuning keys have a top-notch reputation for reliability; they were the tuners of choice for many years in this country before Schallers hit the US market. The last I knew, a factory-direct buyer could specify Grover tuners on a new Emmons steel, maybe not anymore but I betcha you still can. Grover Rotomatics were standard on Sho-Buds for years. Most Grover tuners have a slightly quicker ratio than their Schaller counterparts. Traditionally, Grovers have been available in nickel, chrome, or gold plated finish. Now they are available with different colored knobs by special order. Chrome will look dandy on the LeGrande. Seems to me that the no-visible-brand tuning keys on the LeGrande II's are Goto's, if my short and somewhat inaccurate memory serves me right. They are good tuners both mechanically and cosmetically but of course aren't designed with the Emmons (Sho-Bud, etc.) aluminum headstocks in mind. $10.00 x 20 = $200.00. $15.00 x 20 = $300.00. Tim R. |
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Brian Herder Member Posts: 194 |
posted 15 December 2001 08:59 AM
That's a lot of money for tuners- you could get 4 sets of Grovers from Stewart-MacDonald for 26.97 x 4=107.88. That would leave you with 4 spares for a D-10. I'm sure there are local stores cheaper than that, too. Just a thought. |
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Tim Rowley Member Posts: 957 |
posted 16 December 2001 01:41 AM
Agreed. If the Grovers in the Stew-Mac or Elderly Instruments catalogs are the same as what you need dimensionally and rotationally, which I'm almost positive they are, buy 4 sets of 3-on-a-side, keep the 4 spares, and pocket the savings!! Happy Holidays! Tim R. [This message was edited by Tim Rowley on 16 December 2001 at 01:42 AM.] |
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Wayne Baker Member Posts: 534 |
posted 16 December 2001 02:28 AM
Ron, I got the same problem on a 93 legrande d-10 with the very same Grover tuners. I was out playing the guitar three days after I received it and one of the keys shot out across the dance floor. Talk about P/O'd. That was many moons ago though. I just received new sperzal keys that I ordered from Steel Guitar Nashville. I got an excellent deal from them. I'd call and talk to Mr. Seymour directly. You can get his number from his website. Wayne Baker ------------------ |
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CHIP FOSSA Member Posts: 2536 |
posted 16 December 2001 04:08 AM
Ron, A reputable quality machine shop could make you up longer lock-down nut/screw fittings. Go the extra money route and get them made out of stainless steel. As a matter of fact, a good friend of mine, and is well known here on the Forum, but chooses to just browse, is Sammy Gibson. Not only is Sam a very talented steelman, but he's a top-dog machinist. Owns his own shop. Makes some parts for Fessenden Guitars. I could talk to him for you, or you could email him at: samachine.samg@verizon.net or, if you rather I talk to him for you, email me at: seatug@mediaone.net I couldn't tell ya what Sam might charge for a set of elongated screws, but he's a fellow This way here, you could now choose either Grover or Schaller. Personally, I would go with Grover. I grew up playing guitars with Grovers. I've put them on 3 or 4 guitars. They still make a good product. I think they look cool. I bought a brand new SPD R16 Martin about 2 years ago and had a brand-new-in-the-box set of gold Grovers kicking around the house for 20 years, and so had the music store where I bought the Martin immediately take off the Schallers, and install Grovers. I never looked back. FWIW...ChipsAhoy |
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J Hollenberg Member Posts: 72 |
posted 16 December 2001 04:59 AM
I own a '93 Lasley LeGrande and I have got the same problem with some tuning keys.The dealer here in The Netherlands recommended to replace them with Grover keys.I did, and the problem is gone. ------------------ |
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Ron Page Member Posts: 4390 |
posted 17 December 2001 08:13 AM
Thanks guys. I appreciate all the information, especially the price tip. I'll see what I can do locally. I never looked close enough at a 6-string guitar, but I guess they use the same part -- not a special for steels. I didn't realize I could go with "off the rack". If the Grovers don't fix it -- because of variations in the headstock width -- I'll go with Chip's suggestion. Ron |
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