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Dave Zirbel Member Posts: 1646 |
posted 17 December 2001 11:10 PM
Can anyone explain the difference between the L610,L710, and the L910. I've used the 610 and 710? I like them both but decided to go with the 710 for now. I'm guessing the 910 falls somewhere in between. Is it closer to a single coil sound than the 610? Dave |
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BobbeSeymour Member Posts: 5664 |
posted 17 December 2001 11:57 PM
I have info on the diffrences. Bobbe [This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 18 December 2001 at 08:09 PM.] |
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Bobby Lee Sysop Posts: 14849 |
posted 18 December 2001 12:58 AM
Dave, I had a conversation with Bill Lawrence about the 710 and 910. Here's what I think he said. The 910 was designed to have less presence and bite than the 710. People with active volume pedals or Matchbox circuits were complaining that the 710 was too bright. It was designed to be used with a 500k pot pedal. The 910 is the answer to those complaints. It provides a better impedence match for active volume pedals. I don't really know anything about the 610. I have 710s in my Williams, and use a 712 in my Sierra very often. They are my favorite pickups because of their clarity, volume and full range response. ------------------ |
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Jake Doell Member Posts: 75 |
posted 18 December 2001 01:44 AM
There is one other factor when considering the 900 series pickups.They are absolutely quiet,which for those of us into recording into our computer and setting up near a monitor,is a very big plus. Jake Doell in Vancouver |
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Jeff Evans Member Posts: 554 |
posted 18 December 2001 02:33 AM
Is there more than one variety of 910? Are all 910s Sidewinders? ---------- Jeff I don't know much...but I suspect a lot of things. |
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Jack Stoner Sysop Posts: 8119 |
posted 18 December 2001 05:21 AM
The 710 is a humbucker and "absolutely" quiet too. Same way with the older 510. |
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mtulbert Member Posts: 428 |
posted 18 December 2001 06:48 AM
I tried both pickups on my Mullen D-10. The 910's are indeed mellow and if I were to play anything that required some "bite" the amount of eq added was enormous. IMHO it is much easier to mellow out a "710" with eq than to brighten up a 910. I went back to the 710's after keeping the 910's on for a week. Just my opinion. Mark T. |
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Dave Zirbel Member Posts: 1646 |
posted 18 December 2001 09:44 AM
It took me a while to dial in my 710 but I think I finally have it. I can get my rig to sound good in almost any room. Sounds great through a Webb with a Matchbox and a Sho-Bud volume pedal. Thanks everyone for your opinions. I was just curious. I'll probably stick with the 710, unless B.Cole says the 910s are better than 710s. DZ |
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Jeff Evans Member Posts: 554 |
posted 18 December 2001 10:44 AM
Dave, You didn't say much about the 610s. Are they brighter still than the 710s? |
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Bobby Lee Sysop Posts: 14849 |
posted 18 December 2001 10:51 AM
If you're using a 710 with a Matchbox or active volume pedal, you can mellow it out by soldering a 500k resistor across the output jack of your guitar. This will present the proper impedence to the pickup and remove the harshness. I'm using a pot pedal now when I record with the 710 or 712. On stage I still use the active pedal because the bite helps to cut through the mix. Maybe this topic should be in "Electronics"? ------------------ |
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Dave Zirbel Member Posts: 1646 |
posted 18 December 2001 12:42 PM
Jeff, I don't really know if it is really brighter. The 610 has a lot less mid-tone which may make it seem brighter. I think it's a good pickup. I was listening to some recordings I made using the 610 through a Fender amp and was pleased with the sound. The 710 to me has a rounder and punchier tone that seems to suit my playing style better. The 610 seemed to be scratchy and "shrill" at times during live performances. I've been using the Matchbox with the 710. It keeps my sound from getting too dark. Does anyone else do this? I guess it's not reccommended. Oh well, it sounds good to me. DZ [This message was edited by Dave Zirbel on 18 December 2001 at 01:58 PM.] |
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B Cole unregistered Posts: 1646 |
posted 18 December 2001 02:31 PM
610,710,810,910,1510, Who cares I never heard a Lawrence sound bad yet. I find when it do sound bad it is the person holding the bar. Not the pickup. |
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Dave Zirbel Member Posts: 1646 |
posted 20 December 2001 03:04 PM
Sorry for getting too far off topic but my Bill Lawrence Tele and Strat pickups arrived the other day. I popped them in and the are absolutley fantastic in case anyone wants to know. I can't wait to play them on a gig. Like Bill said, they sparkle. They don't give you that "ice pick in the ear" syndrome. I think I'm getting over the vintage thing. New gear sounds great! DZ |
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Jack Stoner Sysop Posts: 8119 |
posted 20 December 2001 03:28 PM
Dave does the Lawrence pickups change the sound of the Tele?? I have a Tele and I bought because I wanted the Tele sound. If I had wanted some other sound I would have bought a guitar that had it. However, the Lawrence steel pickups, or at least the 510 and 710 that I've used and am familiar with don't cover up the inherent tone of the steel. e.g. my Franklin sounds basically the same with the 510's or 710's. A friend has 710's on his legrande II and it still has the Emmons sound. |
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Dave Zirbel Member Posts: 1646 |
posted 20 December 2001 03:56 PM
Yes it still sounds enough like a Tele to me, only better. The sound is more full than stock pu's. I only played them for about 15 minutes so far. I haven't tried any distortion devices with them yet. All the notes I played were evenly balanced and crystal clear and consistent, plus the low notes on the neck pickup don't get too muddy. If you like the 710 for steel I think you'll like the TL-280 and the TN-280s for your Tele. It's worth the risk at only $40 a piece. DZ [This message was edited by Dave Zirbel on 20 December 2001 at 03:59 PM.] |
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Jon Light Member Posts: 6528 |
posted 20 December 2001 04:16 PM
Hi Dave. I'm trying to help a friend who wants to upgrade a Squire Strat. I've followed the word-of-mouth on Bill's pups on the Fender forum and at $40 they are an extraordinary deal, especially since you can be sure that they would be well made and supported by Bill. Question--did you put a 290 on the (Strat) bridge? I wasn't sure what to recommend to my friend. I've read that it's a trade-off---a little less chime, a little more balls. Any observations? |
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Dave Zirbel Member Posts: 1646 |
posted 20 December 2001 06:02 PM
Jon, I went 280s on all 3 positions. I thought about using a TL-290 on the Tele bridge position but bill talked me out of it and I'm glad he did. As far as the Strat, I would definitly consider a 290 in the bridge position. I may eventually do it. I've owned a Strat for 20 years and rarely use the bridge pickup. Having something with a bit more punch and less treble might change that for me. I wish I had thought about this more before buying the pickups, but what's 40 more dollars anyway.  DZ |
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jerry wallace Member Posts: 759 |
posted 21 December 2001 12:33 PM
I have used all three the 610 ,710, and the 910..They are all great pickups..You cant beat a BL pickup as far as humbuckers.. I think the differences are solely up to each individuals preference..Try them all and make your choice.. Its really not that expensive to try them all, you can resale the ones you dont want and get back much of your money..Then the guy that buys the used ones can "test" them out too.. In the end,its the best way to find out which one is YOUR favorite...If you dont try them all you maybe always asking yourself which sounds best, with my psg, amp, style of playing and to my ear, etc.?.. ------------------ [This message was edited by jerry wallace on 21 December 2001 at 01:26 PM.] |
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Dave Zirbel Member Posts: 1646 |
posted 22 December 2001 10:56 AM
Jon, I spent more time with the Strat and abjusted the pickup hieght and I really like the 280 in the bridge postion. The guitar sound fantastic. I'm thinking that if you want to keep the true Strat sound, go with the 280. That is Bills reccommenation too. ( I never heard the 290s. Jack, after spending more time with the Tele, it definitly still sounds very much like a true Tele with the 280s. Both guitars sound great through a Webb, a Fender and a Boogie. If I ever buy another guitar, the first thing I do is put BL pus in it! This is my last rave since I'm way off topic now. Happy Holidays everyone DZ |
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Jon Light Member Posts: 6528 |
posted 22 December 2001 12:17 PM
Thanks for the great info Dave. This is your thread so anything you say is on topic. Or at least that's the way I read the law. But just in case--- I use the 912 on my Carter and it's swell. Happy Holidays. |
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