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Topic: E9 tuning Jerry Byrd used
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Carter York
Member From: Austin, TX [Windsor Park]
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posted 12 August 2003 01:01 PM
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Hi folks, I was reading through some older posts and saw the following: """If you want to hear some pedal changes on a non-pedal steel, listen to Jerry Byrd's rendition of "I'll Be All Smiles Tonight" from the album "Admirable Byrd". This song was done on the E9th tuning without the high G# for the 1st string.""" Can someone spell what that tuning would look like for 8 string? (was he using a 7 string?) Also, I have seen a few times that a 6 string tuning won't (really) allow for an E9 tuning. Why is that, when other tunings (like a 6th or a 7th tuning) seem to work out ok? Thanks for all the great info...
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Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 12 August 2003 01:16 PM
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(lo to hi)
G# B D E F# G# B E
orE B D E F# G# B E
I like the first one 'cause the string guages are so "interchangable" with the C6/A7 ... although lots of folks seem to prefer the other one with the root down there.
Here is the 6 string version ... I use it all the time ... (lo to hi)
D E F# G# B E Only two tunin's I ever use (C6/A7 and JB's E9)  [This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 12 August 2003 at 02:10 PM.] |
Jesse Pearson
Member From: San Diego , CA
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posted 12 August 2003 02:20 PM
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This is a interesting tuning and is found in my JB instructional course. I took some notes when Vernon Hester stated that "Admirable Bird" was done on plain old E7 tuning along with some C6, no one else stated this fact. So is every one pretty much convinced that E7 wasn't used on this album or not? It's over 100 degrees in the shade where i'm at and my heat alert on the computer keeps going off every few minutes, making me have to shut down. Opps, there it goes. Later... |
Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 12 August 2003 02:40 PM
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I always heard it was the E9 tunin' used on Admirable Byrd.I have a convention video where he was talkin' to the audience and mentioned that he wanted to do "something different" and used the E9 for that album. His Pro-Arrangements have a bunch of wonderful songs written in E9 ...
Kawohikukapulani, Surprise Waltz and I'll Be All Smiles Tonight to name a few. I also play Kauai Beauty and Mama E in E9 ... a beautiful tuning.
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John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 12 August 2003 10:14 PM
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It's not criticle, however; I believe the E9 tuning JB used was a 7str. version. (Could be wrong!) 7-B,6-D,5-E,4-F#,3-G#,2-B,1-E I use 8 strs. because I have 8 str. necks on my guitar. (8-Low-E) I've added a C in the 8th. position on my C-Diatonic Tuning also! ------------------
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George Keoki Lake
Member From: Edmonton, AB., Canada
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posted 12 August 2003 11:03 PM
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If I am correct, Jerry's double neck consisted of 8 and 7 strings respectfully. (not duo 8's) |
Jack Byrd
Member From: Kalamazoo, Michigan
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posted 13 August 2003 06:29 AM
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George,You are correct. |
c c johnson
Member From: killeen,tx usa
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posted 13 August 2003 06:58 AM
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I quote Chet Atkins from the liner notes from Admirable Byrd. "Some of this fine collection of instrumentals were written by Jerry especially for this album,and steel guitar fans will be surprised to find that all but three are played in the old E7th tuning, a new experiment and and a new sound for Jerry Byrd". |
Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 13 August 2003 07:59 AM
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I remember diggin' out that album and readin' the liner notes after hearing JB on that convention tape discussin' the E9 tunin' ... On a few of the convention video's he did "mini sets" in the E9 on a JB frypan ... takin' a break from standing. E9 or E7 ... I think what distinguishes his use of them is his abundant "reverse slant" work on the top 3 strings (3 5 1). Surprise Waltz is an unparalleled display of reverse slanting.  ------------------
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John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 13 August 2003 11:33 PM
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Rick; If you're coming to the Tri-Cities Steel Show Oct. 11-12, Bristol, Va. you might want to listen for that tune! (Surprise Waltz) and also Reminiscing and Theme for a DJ!  ------------------
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Roger Shackelton
Member From: Everett, Wa.
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posted 14 August 2003 01:41 AM
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Did Jerry use the E-9th tuning on "Blues Guaranteed"?Roger |
Rick Aiello
Member From: Berryville, VA USA
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posted 14 August 2003 05:40 AM
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Roger, I just checked my JB Pro-Arrangement of that tune and it is indeed written in E9.Some of his arrangements are "as recorded" ... some aren't ... so I gave it a quick run through ... and it sure seems to be the same as on the record. These arrangements are "gold" ... and they can be played and enjoyed by everyone ... if your slantin' isn't up to his level (whose is) you can drop a harmony note here and there ... And most are in the $2 to $3 range ... talk about "Bang for your Buck"  Scotty's website use to have the complete listing of these arrangements .. but I can't find it now. I did see a short bio of JB by Scotty in which he mentions Admirable Byrd. http://www.scottysmusic.com/byrdinfo.htm John, I would love to hop on I-81 and come hear you play in Bristol ... with some luck I just might [This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 14 August 2003 at 07:06 AM.] |
Jesse Pearson
Member From: San Diego , CA
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posted 14 August 2003 07:38 AM
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I was wondering if there were any other country non pedal steel players who used E9 alot and were able to compete somewhat with pedal steel as far as getting a pedal like sound? |
Vernon Hester
Member From: Cayce,SC USA
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posted 18 August 2003 01:52 PM
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I was looking at a Video I have from the 80's with Bryd playing a 8 string Frypan. Must have been one of the Sho-Bud versions.This Video has Scotty and Bill Blevins in The audience. I have another some where he discusses some of his tuning's. maybe I will luck up and find it amost all of my Tapes.
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